Sanctify

For the love of god, please fix it so that you don't get useless attributes and that sanctification doesn't fail!

I've gotten 6 hero cards of which only TWO have been worth anything.

2 magic attack on a fighter
1 physical attack on a mage
1 failed

that's 2/3 garbage. this is beyond frustrating. it is pointless and silly.

while you are at it, quit removing stars when medals fail. also dumb. i had 12 medals on a 3 star per try hero with 2 stars. i applied 4 times and ended up with the same 2 stars!! ARGH!

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Originally Posted by michael.ventura_8779011

For the love of god, please fix it so that you don't get useless attributes and that sanctification doesn't fail!

I've gotten 6 hero cards of which only TWO have been worth anything.

2 magic attack on a fighter
1 physical attack on a mage
1 failed

that's 80% garbage. this is beyond frustrating. it is pointless and silly.

while you are at it, quit removing stars when medals fail. also dumb. i had 12 medals on a 3 star per try hero with 2 stars. i applied 4 times and ended up with the same 2 stars!! ARGH!

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It's a game of chance unfortunately. I don't like the odds of it happening at all, but I doubt they will change that any time soon.

Update: got another card, and it failed. so that's 5 fails of 7 cards.

that's just stupid. it doesn't have to be like that. there's plenty of ways to make it a game of chance without just totally screwing over people that have worked hard to get rare items.

Completly agree. I've had the same luck and if it wasnt for good peeps in guild id deff been gone. (1) leader card from lvl 60 reward , (1) saff card and (1) Alexa card. The leader card and saff card Both + magic atk. So Im lvl 63 now, with 1 saint because i reset the 2 with macic atk. And falling so far behind its not possible to catch up anytime this year, this is almost jus a chat group for me in guild now because of the unwise decissions made by Tynon , a game is suposed to be fun. Im non Vip, so gems hard to come by. Not to mention the highest star lvl on any hero and myself is 2 because of crazy stupid fail rates suposidly to balance game because of high lvl ViPs who can aford to jus keep sinking more into gems anyways!! So hows that balance anything??! Runes? LOL forgit it....purps and 2 yellow.

Might of Helios blah Blah blah

Also have a "saint" swordsmaster with magic attack bonus. Frustrating.
KA

I'm okay with the failure chance, it's rough when it happens, but that's luck for you. But this magic attack on Valla? That's just a kick in the balls. That's twice now I've considered paying my way into the upper tier of the game, and twice I've said, nope, not worth it. Thanks for keeping my money in pocket fellas.

There are people with 8-10 good values in half angel v heroes.

Its a game of luck. If there are lucky people, there are unlucky ones.

Not everyone can be lucky.

ok so some of us have bad luck, that's understandable. How about this for bad luck, should make all of you feel lucky. Today I received a Leader card and sanctified it. Yes Magic Attack on my Warrior. Couldn't get a card in Tavern for quite some time now so I decided to spend my saved up Spirits in Tavern. Bought a Calvin card and sanctified it....hmmmmm Magic Attack. Yes I was frustrated for getting 2 useless Magic Attacks in 2 tries. So I shook it off and spent the last 500 spirits on another Calvin card (yes had enough for 2). Last dime I will ever spend in this game...why???? Guess what? Magic Attack on the 2nd Calvin card. Three cards in one day and all three Magic attack. Bad Luck you say....I say no more money TYNON and I am nowhere near the $500 I average in the games I play. Last dime TYNON because that is not in my thinking Random. Why didn't the Random produce 3 HP's, 3 Dodge. 3 Skill Att, etc ???? Why was it Magic ATT??? Some one out there tell me the odds of getting 3 magic attacks in a row please. I'll continue to play because I like the game and all the gamers I have met here. But TYNON you have no more money coming from me. I may have bad luck but I am not stupid enough to throw money to greedy people that allow this to happen.

The makers of this game (evony) are notorious for claiming to make things balanced, and all it does is screw us and balance there bank account.
Having poor odds don't make things balanced, it actually makes it very unbalanced. As the very few who get lucky move way ahead, every one else just keeps crapping out.
To make it balanced, the odds should be better, so every one can obtain the same stuff, and then it becomes a game of skill instead of a game of who has the biggest income.
There not interested in balanced, there just interested in your MONEY.

I have the worst luck getting runes, and cards. I have 1 purple hero while every one else in the top 10 have 2,3,4 purple hero's. And those people just happen to be higher VIP status then I do.... Hmmm.
Higher VIP = better odds I guess.

Soon I will buy diablo 3 and probably be having too much fun playing a real game and won't want to come back here to the endless frustration this game has to offer.

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Originally Posted by michael.ventura_8779011

For the love of god, please fix it so that you don't get useless attributes and that sanctification doesn't fail!

I've gotten 6 hero cards of which only TWO have been worth anything.

2 magic attack on a fighter
1 physical attack on a mage
1 failed

that's 2/3 garbage. this is beyond frustrating. it is pointless and silly.

while you are at it, quit removing stars when medals fail. also dumb. i had 12 medals on a 3 star per try hero with 2 stars. i applied 4 times and ended up with the same 2 stars!! ARGH!

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I feel your pain, I like the fact of a random attribute and having to reset trying to get offensive or defensive whatever, but to allow magic attack on phys only characters lacks common sense to me.

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Originally Posted by Legolas Bow of Athena

I feel your pain, I like the fact of a random attribute and having to reset trying to get offensive or defensive whatever, but to allow magic attack on phys only characters lacks common sense to me.

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Rumor is they are gonna change it.

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Originally Posted by Revan

Rumor is they are gonna change it.

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Your rumours might be just rumours.

It's the luck of the draw. Some people get 1 or more purple or gold cards each day.

If Tynon only allowed positive attributes on saints, then all the heroes would be more overpowered than they already are.

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Originally Posted by Shock

It's a game of chance unfortunately. I don't like the odds of it happening at all, but I doubt they will change that any time soon.

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But the odds in the game of chance should be EXCLUSIVE to chancing upon their many design errors and software bugs. It's just LAZY software design to add a benefit to a class that can't use it or benefit by it. BS.

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Originally Posted by Herby

If Tynon only allowed positive attributes on saints, then all the heroes would be more overpowered than they already are.

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I'm sorry, but this statement clearly shows you don't understand anything about game balance.

By allowing useless attributes on successful Sanctification, Tynon imbalances the game more than if they were to only allow attributes that had some effect on power level.

Each useless attribute puts you further behind those who "get lucky" with non-worthless attributes, because not only did you spend credits/gems to get the hero card, you also used up 10% chance to be successful at all on Sanctification, and on top of that the statistic adds nothing to your hero.

That is how it imbalances the game. It is an extremely lazy and toxic wrench in the overall Sanctification mechanic. Randomization is fine when paired with luck, but if you luck out and get an attribute at all, it should be something that adds to the character. Adding nothing to the character after all that work and effort is not only imbalancing, it's just not fun and it makes your players keep their credit cards in their wallets and for some, makes them want to quit.

Other Free-to-play developers have abused their players and they fail rather quickly. Developers who take care of their players (see League of Legends made by Riot Games as a shining example of Free-to-play done well) make bookoo bucks and maintain strong player bases.

This is just how the market works. Hopefully the Tynon developers/product managers are wise enough to find good solutions for their players when specific game mechanics detract from the gaming experience.

Maybe it's an idea for the developers to look into changing the odds that a card gives you a magic attribute.
I don't have a clue what the actual numbers are on this but it seems like the odds you get a magic attribute is way too big if you compare it too how many heroes are being used that actually could benefit from this.

So in my humble opinion it would be nice if the developers team would keep that in mind and check out the percentages. People seem to use less magic heroes, so that actually makes the chance you get a useful sanctify smaller I think.
I could very well be wrong tho..

I totally do not mind the game of chance tho it must suck if you only have bad luck. Getting the wrong attribute ah well.. i can live with that. The fact they are unsuccesful so often is what bugs me more. :(

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Originally Posted by Herby

If Tynon only allowed positive attributes on saints, then all the heroes would be more overpowered than they already are.

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Totally agree!

I think everyone is missing the point of those who are upset.

IF the chances to fail a sainiting weren't so high and you almost always were successful at sainting, getting a useless attribute is one thing.

But that is not the case. People are failing 3,4, 5 times in a row on the same hero when the success rate is over 80%, and then you have the random chance of getting a useless attribute. Its a double luck element all at once.

First you have to be lucky enough not to fail, and then be lucky enough to get a useful attribute.

Ive been quite lucky myself and only had 1 magic attack on cianna and all successes with 11 attempts. That super lucky compared to a lot of people. I think if most people had what I had they would never complain about this system.

EIther do away with useless attributes or do away with the chance to fail.

I would rather see them take away the failure chance completely, leave the useless attributes in, and even make the cards more expensive or harder to get. Say if you get a card in tavern it costs the base amount times your level ( as it already is) times another number based upon the sactification level of that hero for you. SO if you have a saint 5 cianna and draw a cianna it would costs more for that card in tavern then it would if you drew it and had a saint 3 cianna.

That way they can make money with people spending gems on credits to get cards
and stop everyone from complaining.

because the useless attribute is not too bad actually considering that a purple hero can be sainted 10 times and there are 12 attributes you could receive so in a perfect world you could get 1 of everything on a physical hero except magic attack and something else- say morale. Gold heroes can be sainted 15 times so thats 1 of everything and 3 extra useless magic attacks on say Dawn. And Mains can be sainted 20 times allowing for several useless magic attacks and still making it quite strong.

Sactifying a half angel 1 saffron and getting a magic attack is horrible and makes the hero worse with the current system, because it increases the likely hood that the next attempt will fail. My suggestion makes it no better or worse for the player, but still lines tynons pockets because the next card will cost even more because the cost of a card is increased based upon the heroes current saint level.
There is a way for tynon to achieve what they think they are doing that will upset people a whole lot less.

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Originally Posted by The Luda

Maybe it's an idea for the developers to look into changing the odds that a card gives you a magic attribute.
I don't have a clue what the actual numbers are on this but it seems like the odds you get a magic attribute is way too big if you compare it too how many heroes are being used that actually could benefit from this.

So in my humble opinion it would be nice if the developers team would keep that in mind and check out the percentages. People seem to use less magic heroes, so that actually makes the chance you get a useful sanctify smaller I think.
I could very well be wrong tho..

I totally do not mind the game of chance tho it must suck if you only have bad luck. Getting the wrong attribute ah well.. i can live with that. The fact they are unsuccesful so often is what bugs me more. :(

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This isn't the case at all. I have plenty of heroes that could use skill attacks, but who gets them? my mages. Decreasing one attribute percentage doesn't help anything. I think I've used roughly 60 medals to have 4 stars. Obviously the developers have 0 knowledge of percentages and put false ones on everything as I pretty much fail 8 out of 10 cards and it's the same for the star system. It would also be much more difficult to change something like that in programming when removing phys from magic hero and vice versa would not be difficult. The percentage listed is nowhere near the success rate this is where they make their killing on people. So when people finally get the card to succeed people typically want the hero to gain some kind of benefit of being stronger. Not 2 magic attacks on a half angel that destroys the character. If you have 2 heroes and their highest attack is magic attack which they can't use, that's sheer stupidity to me and I'll never understand how someone intelligent could say that this is a good feature of the game. I would suspect the same person would say that the percentages listed are in fact accurate on stars and cards when trying to sanctify.

I sent in a ticket a few days back to Tynon Support about a +Magic Attack I received on my Alexa. Here is the response:

Greetings,

We will release a new patch to fix this issue. All the useless attributes of a saint will be randomly reset to new usable attributes after the patch. Please keep an eye on our patch notes.

Regards,

Tynon Support

So there you have it. No more +physical attack, +crit, +skill attack, or +morale on mages, and no more +magic attack on physical damage dealers.

as I get the cards to sanctify