Heroic Realm reduced to Cowards Realm

Please fix the PvP option in the Heroic Realm. We go there to fight a boss, and get raided by those who lie in wait to plunder. They aren't even there to fight the bosses, just to plunder folks coming in to battle the boss.

Several times now I have been attacked in there, and literally pulled out of my boss fight right in the middle of it, causing me to lose all my progress on the boss, and get plundered in the process.

Also the unlimited retaliate feature is seriously being overused for bullying.

Thanks, love the game!
SaCr3d

Yes, I have had that happen to me as well. It takes changing formation and moving runes around in between battles with the enemy bosses to find a combination that will work. Very difficult to do that and get attacked and not be able to see the end result of the battle. Happened twice to me - defeated the first person... then tried again and got defeated by another.

This is similar to the PvP that went on in Baal and Cerberus fights in the beginning. Players were attacking other players in there to GRIEF them so they would not get attacks in on Baal / Cerb. This is another form of griefing that really doesn't have any place in the Heroic Realm. Go pick your fights in the wild, not in an area where we need to pickup resources to further ourselves in game. Think about how many players will not complete the Hope Chest armor quest in time if they keep getting hit. These are people who would still be on the learning curve. It's an excellent way to discourage playing the game for someone who is new. And if they make the mistake of clicking "Revenge" because someone interrupted their attacks to try to get the chest armor or other item they need to get further along in the quest, they just picked up a permanent cowardly "vampire" who will strike once a day for each revenge button click.

Effectively, you'll have a very discouraged player who will get hit as many times per day as they revenged without really knowing the consequences. And it will happen when the "un"-heroic Pker logs in in the morning and scrolls down their permanently stored hit list.

The only recourse to this at the moment is using up your resources to the point they are low or out and then going into the wild to get attacked and gain the 30minute shield so you can mix and match for the prize drops in peace. But really, why do players have to take that extra set of steps?

And the repetitive revenge issue... Don't get me started :p

There is no more repetitive revenge :)

This is a PvP game. You can only be attacked once and then you get a shield for 30 minutes.

By the way, the thing where combat with the boss appears to be "interrupted" when you're hit in PvP is a display issue only. Loot etc. is not affected.

All combat in Tynon is calculated instantly and then the battle displayed graphically for the involved player(s). Even if your combat appears to be interrupted, the outcome has already been determined. If you won the fight against the boss, you will automatically receive the associated loot, and then the battle with the other player will take place.

I hope this makes sense.

yeap it does Dawn even i get hit but its part of the game just need to keep going

OK thanks for the explanation and letting us know we keep our loot if we win the battle with the Bosses in the Heroic level.

I guess I'll advise players to have few resources on them when they attempt the Heroic and resist the temptation to revenge if they're new to the game and don't quite grasp the long term effects of doing that. It's so easy to click a button and become the farm of your attacker in this game. I am glad it's now just 1 time per day. That's much more manageable and won't discourage new players.

Revenge option should disappear after use. Otherwise it puts people on a farm list forever. If people wanna prey on the weak, make them work for it.

Okay, it makes sense but I did defeat Envoy, and I did not get a reward for doing it because I was pulled into another battle. When I came out, the chest was not there, however it was a defeat of Envoy and I had to wait 24 hours to go at him again for the scroll I needed. I guess it could be possible this glitch had nothing to do with my being attacked PvP but it was nonetheless a glitch. Hope I have explained this well.

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Originally Posted by SaCr3d

Okay, it makes sense but I did defeat Envoy, and I did not get a reward for doing it because I was pulled into another battle. When I came out, the chest was not there, however it was a defeat of Envoy and I had to wait 24 hours to go at him again for the scroll I needed. I guess it could be possible this glitch had nothing to do with my being attacked PvP but it was nonetheless a glitch. Hope I have explained this well.

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You aren't guaranteed to get the scroll you need. I spoke with the lead developer about this and he assured me that loot is awarded whether you click the chest or not.

Ok, thank you Dawnseeker. I have many issues with not getting items, rewards etc, or losing them on refresh, so I guess I will just have to wait for others to have the same issue. Do love the game though and can't wait till it goes live and the kinks are worked out :)

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Originally Posted by Dawnseeker

You aren't guaranteed to get the scroll you need. I spoke with the lead developer about this and he assured me that loot is awarded whether you click the chest or not.

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This is correct Dawn. Because I have noticed that right after I click "Combat" like I get the Credits/Coins if I win, it will like display really quick in top.

Not only are a bunch of million powers camping the heroic realm but after they kill you they get to revenge you again even though you never attacked or revenged them. Lame.

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Originally Posted by picantel_5889624

Not only are a bunch of million powers camping the heroic realm but after they kill you they get to revenge you again even though you never attacked or revenged them. Lame.

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Ummm... they shouldn't be able to. Are you sure you never attacked them even in pirates?

Dawnseeker, I've also had a situation where when I started attacking a boss, I was redirected to PvP attack. I was beaten so was sent back to Sonia, and then I was again able to go back in realm and attack the same boss that I had originally started to attack no more than 30 seconds ago. I thought there is a cooldown that is reset at end of each day, so it don't make sense.

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Originally Posted by Mjolnir

Dawnseeker, I've also had a situation where when I started attacking a boss, I was redirected to PvP attack. I was beaten so was sent back to Sonia, and then I was again able to go back in realm and attack the same boss that I had originally started to attack no more than 30 seconds ago. I thought there is a cooldown that is reset at end of each day, so it don't make sense.

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They changed it, in the beginning if you got attacked int the middle of a boss fight and lost you would be sent to Sonia, get nothing and have to wait until it resets, now even if you are attacked in the middle of a boss fight and you were gonna win you get the goodies, and if you were attacked before the boss fight while in there you can go back in right away. I still hate those a$$hole that like to camp out in there and attack, it's pretty low.

Yes, I've seen em camped out and agree that it's kinda low - but actually have not been able to get into the realm without it freezing lately - so working on that one - last time i was able to get in - i did get the rewards but was booted out and had to spend the stamina to get back in. Thats changed?

I honestly don't care either way, but what I've noticed is that I am supposed to win I will still get rewards.

So I hung out in the heroic realm for a bit today, a bit on the empty side. Much different now.

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Originally Posted by davemata

So I hung out in the heroic realm for a bit today, a bit on the empty side. Much different now.

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i hate this change, its a war game why can't you guys suck it up. if we have to in baal then we should have to in freaking heroic realm.. jeez.

Why are the realms empty suddenly after the newest patch. If I wait around long enough, 1 person might appear. This is a joke. You need to PvP to play this game. PvP in the wilds is a joke, you can never find people there. Or youhave to wiat hours on hours to do what you could do in realm in 30 mins. please restore the realms.

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Originally Posted by mattp169_9033280

Why are the realms empty suddenly after the newest patch. If I wait around long enough, 1 person might appear. This is a joke. You need to PvP to play this game. PvP in the wilds is a joke, you can never find people there. Or youhave to wiat hours on hours to do what you could do in realm in 30 mins. please restore the realms.

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i agree 100% even though u kill me quite often :P

see even the farmed understand that the realms should be PvP

I agree that PVP in heroics should be allowed, I used to think it may be bad to happen there, however, a certain player attacks me daily in heroic, so I strived to make a formation that would kill the enemies as well as him. I am satisfied to say that as of today I officially defeated that nemesis, something I probably wouldn't have worked towards if there was no PVP in heroics

I for one am glad the PvP has been reduced / is out of heroics. In fact, the changes to Pvp within +/-5 levels works really well. It would be nice if in the Pirates area the actual level of the players in the ship were displayed when you hover over the ship you want to attack. You see this information when you click on someone in the wild, why not on the ship? A number of high powered players are dropping their formations down and removing runes to lure unwary noobs into attacking them, and thus enabling them to perma-farm them. While I am sure it's fun for the high powered players to do this, if the player attacking has no idea what level the target is and just jumps at a low power number they could be jumping into a nightmare that will last the entire game.

Showing the level will give the attackers the ability to use discretion in the battlefield especially now with the 10 gems daily quest being very unforgiving.

And for those of you who are upset about no Pvp in the Heroics - wake up and think a second. Where are people going to get the resources for all those wonderful drops they are finally able to collect? I've never had a problem finding people at any hour auto-churning away ready to be smacked down in Pvp in the woods. It's even better now that they have resources to fetch for armor and items. Or is it so hard for you to find people to attack that you want the developers to put in an "auto-pvp" like the "auto-gring" feature? This is also the beta - the live will have a lot more players in each realm.

i will make a camp fire and lets all sing songs and have no pvp at all.

Well there will need to be a lot more players per server for the wilds to be worth it I have started at the first level of the wild and auto navigated to the envoy level and found 2 people to attack several times. at different hours of the day today.

ANd what is this about 5 level difference to attack. I can attack people 8 levels different then me. I think there should be some limit so super powerful players cant farm beginners but if its only 5 levels taht really reduces the people you can attack. ANd since after level 30 those levels take longer and longer to move up, maybe 10 levels would be better then 5.

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Originally Posted by Dawnseeker

You aren't guaranteed to get the scroll you need. I spoke with the lead developer about this and he assured me that loot is awarded whether you click the chest or not.

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Attacked in heroic realms and did not make normal item pickup. I had no hopebringer plan in inventory before or after attack. After several refreshes, a plan did appear in my inventory.

Unfortunately, the scroll landed in a bad location. As in, my plans for a hopebringer chestguard somehow loaded into my equipment section as a piece of gear with 0 power. To make things more bizarre, I cannot embed ANY item. The entire embed screen is black, with a little loading symbol beside the chestguard scroll.

Not a big issue at the moment, but I would like to knock a level 2 topaz off and replace it with a level 3 in the next few days. ;-)

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Originally Posted by VatoLoco

OK thanks for the explanation and letting us know we keep our loot if we win the battle with the Bosses in the Heroic level.

I guess I'll advise players to have few resources on them when they attempt the Heroic and resist the temptation to revenge if they're new to the game and don't quite grasp the long term effects of doing that. It's so easy to click a button and become the farm of your attacker in this game. I am glad it's now just 1 time per day. That's much more manageable and won't discourage new players.

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Omga seems to be american, so try to go to the bosses after midnight server time if possible, seems to be a safe time away from that idiot coward.

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To make things more bizarre, I cannot embed ANY item. The entire embed screen is black, with a little loading symbol beside the chestguard scroll.

Not a big issue at the moment, but I would like to knock a level 2 topaz off and replace it with a level 3 in the next few days. ;-)

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That's a new bug indeed, also got reported in the Bug Reports forum now: http://bbs.tynon.com/showthread.php?...uipment-Embed!

When you lose a boss fight you are bounced out of the realm and back into the city. When you win a boss fight you get to stay in his realm, but in order to get to the next boss you have to return to the city. You then have to go back into the realm to fight the next boss, could it be changed so that you could choose to go to the next boss without returning to the city or spending additional stamina?

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Originally Posted by Nix

When you lose a boss fight you are bounced out of the realm and back into the city. When you win a boss fight you get to stay in his realm, but in order to get to the next boss you have to return to the city. You then have to go back into the realm to fight the next boss, could it be changed so that you could choose to go to the next boss without returning to the city or spending additional stamina?

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Actually that is incorrect.

If you lose a boss fight you stay in the realm.

You are not charged stamina unless you win a boss fight.

You are only bounced out to the city if you are attacked and lose in the realm area.

The only thing i wish were changed on realms is the ability to show/hide players. Because going out of realms with Show players on, there is such lag when you go to the city waiting for all those players to be displayed.

Whoops - posted that backwards. Never type and reason with a six year old at the same time.

But my stamina bar goes down every time i go into the heroic realm. Not just when I win. And less clicks to play the heroic realm would be nice.

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Originally Posted by Nix

But my stamina bar goes down every time i go into the heroic realm. Not just when I win.

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I only lose 5 stamina when I defeat a heroic enemy.

I get attacked quite often prior to baal/cerb or right after. Parasites know that you are weaker based on formation, rune & elites changes you make for these fights. I've lost mega credits and coins to these low lifes that I normally wouldn't lose. A solution to this would be to allow the players, who are going to participate in baal/cerb, to click the fight option 10 minutes prior to the fight, shielding them from these parasites. This shield would be active 10 minutes prior, during the fight and 10 minutes after the fight. This would allow the player to gear for baal/cerb and regear after for pvp.

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