Full servers???????

what is the capacity of the new servers being opened, coz by rough estimate theres about 1k accounts on server 32.... and about 30 of them are active.... its disgusting we cannot do assistant, we cannot sail we cannot play the game properly, the new boss fights ending takes longer than the whole fight coz theres only 8 people in it in the biggest realm on s32
fire realm didnt kill the 10m cerb today - the server opened weeks ago
WE ARE CRYING OUT FOR PLAYERS ON SERVER 32 AND THERE ARE MORE EMPTY SERVERS FOLLOWING IT?! PLEASE STOP OPENING PACIFIC SERVERS. as it is im pretty sure all the active players on the whole server could fit into our lvl 3 guild... :confused::confused::confused::confused:

another example - i do noble lady with the players turned on..... and can still get 500k credits, 1minute before she moves again

http://gyazo.com/802efd27c38ba6221958d2a511cff7cf.png
again- i call BS!!
this was cerb the next morning
6 PLAYERS IS NOT A FULL SERVER
http://gyazo.com/9130edf7d23d7ce20b17013a756b4291.png
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Not every player joins Baal/Cerb and that's only one realm. That screenshot means nothing.

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Originally Posted by Morgan le Fay

Not every player joins Baal/Cerb and that's only one realm. That screenshot means nothing.

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Seriously?????

Sorry Morgan it does mean something. It means theres only 6 people playing that event almost 19 minutes into it. That is pretty sad. Server 1 is probably one of the most active servers, and we get 60-100 people on those events.

To me it tells me this.
The server may be full by what ever definition tynon devs have created to mean full. But many players have a very different definition of full.

I for one think that a full server means there are 100-200 active accts per realm, that log on daily and complete the assistant. Other people probably have a different view on this.
What it seems to me is yes these newest servers get lots of people on them that barely play. probably 3-4k accts sign up in the first week. But only a small handful of people who play consistently and do most of the game.

Now chlo88 is a great example of someone who plays consistently. She is on Server 1 with me. She probably is on there for 90% or more of all the events (Baal,Cerebus,Ragnarock,GWF,Noble Lady,HP,etc)
Im sure she does the same on 32. I am the same way on server 1, as is at least 50-100 or more people per realm; and we have 5 realms. Sure its not always the exact same people. Sure some of us miss an event from time to time. however every server past 15 I would guess, is no where close to this level of activity.

So I think the question to pose to the devs is, Are servers such as 1-4 your model of what an active full server is suppose to be, or are those servers considered way above average?

TO me it seems severs 1-4 are teh exception to the rule for tynon devs in terms of how active they expect players to be. Servers 1-4 are moving at speeds they never expected.
Examples
On server 1
We have 5-10 players who need level 70 maps unlocked to craft plans - the maps are not ready
We have 2 guilds that have captured Koleton and that is not ready yet
we have 1-3 players who are either ready or just about ready for Level 80 maps to be unlocked and those are no where close to ready.
We have players that if all the maps were ready and unlocked could have 5 pc sirius sets within the next 3 months or less if they continue to progress as they have - yet after doing some basic math, it will take 2.6 years to get the lab tokens to craft 5 sirius spirits. This fact alone leads me to suspect that the devs feel that an acct should take at least 2 years to build up to the point where you can upgrade things no more. Yet it is obvious players can advance much quicker then that.

So it is clear to me that what the players feel and what the devs feel defines active and full servers are different. Which is fine by me, but since its the players who pay the bills, maybe they should take what we think into consideration. Or at least tell us what they are thinking.

Does Chole have 4 people on her guild? Somehow I don't think so.

You can't compare one WB, in one realm as a reflection of the entire server. Granted newer servers have less players in it but it seems to me instead of complaining how dead WB events are, encourage newbs to take part.

Morgan are you serious Moderator? How long and do you ever play any webgame and how you can say " Not every player joins Baal/Cerb and that's only one realm. That screenshot means nothing" ... Does Chole have 4 people on her guild? Somehow I don't think so."
You think we all stupid??? we all pay money to enjoy the game, and now the Tynon team keep open new server to earn just a small money from small group active player that come from old server( i mean who spend money) but they will stop spending money because their server only 30-100 players on 5 realm. Then they will report to paypal and claim back their money as Tynon team is Lier. Then finally your game will go to hell soon when everyone know that. I know They want to earn money by open new server but Moderator should say something to help player that spend money for this game not try to lie us by talking these stupid thing.

Morgan all the servers opened in the last 3 weeks are like that. ALL OF THEM. Many people have come on and talked about this yet the mods and tynon never listen. Let me explain this one more time. 90% of the servers or more are people coming on to find dates. They stay a few days and then move on to the next new server. All the players who do stay know this or figure it out and congregate into one guild which dominates the entire server. You need to put 5 realms in a server again and not make a new one for at least 3 weeks. Your money players are quitting in droves now and I am seeing less and less VIps and those that are are smaller ones.

And I repeat. Have you all got less than 10 active players in your guilds. If that's not the case, why are you so quiet in WBs. Maybe you need to focus on pulling together as a team.

If players are quitting one server then moving onto another there is clearly an issue with communication.

I'm not calling anyone stupid, just using some common sense.

A good guild will grow and strengthen and not become dead.

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And I repeat. Have you all got less than 10 active players in your guilds. If that's not the case, why are you so quiet in WBs. Maybe you need to focus on pulling together as a team.

If players are quitting one server then moving onto another there is clearly an issue with communication.

I'm not calling anyone stupid, just using some common sense.

A good guild will grow and strengthen and not become dead.

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The point here is that there is only one-two "good" guilds in a whole server. On 29 my guild is 100k funds ahead of #2 and it's been less than 4 weeks...

Also, we are the top realm BY FAR and we have 15-30 players for the World Bosses, everyday. You can't say it's different people being busy on different days, it's a lack of activity.

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The point here is that there is only one-two "good" guilds in a whole server. On 29 my guild is 100k funds ahead of #2 and it's been less than 4 weeks...

Also, we are the top realm BY FAR and we have 15-30 players for the World Bosses, everyday. You can't say it's different people being busy on different days, it's a lack of activity.

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That's the point I'm trying to make. Shock, you clearly run an awesome guild and it shows by the activity.

Likewise on server 4, we average out at around 45 and guild chat runs pretty much 24/7. Yes it's one of the first servers, however we have players who have accounts on different servers, they still play there.

As for one it two top guilds, this has been true since beta.

The top 10 in baal and cerb is almost always the same guild. That one guild dominates all and everyone wants to get into it. The rest of the guilds die off. This is not fun.

Look

Server 1 has 5 top guilds
and maybe 3-5 more that are becoming competitive.

The problem with competition in the servers is 2 fold
1. it costs 150 gems to change realms. -
2. more and more new servers

reduce the cost of to change realms to say 50 gems and servers 1-10 will have new life in GWF. Because then the biggest of the smaller players could move to the same realm and challenge one of the top guilds.

slow done server growth and possible merge some of these newer servers and everyone benefits. The merged servers get new life and pepole may spend more money.

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...Shock, you clearly run an awesome guild and it shows by the activity.\

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Lemme just interject a bit on that point, Morgan. I have a powerful player on 29, called Muadib. I am constantly attacked, molested and raped by Shock's "awesome" guild, to the point where it very difficult for me to move up, due to lack of funds. Half of my guild has fled to other servers to be rid of his "awesome" guild.

In short, Tynon's problems start with balance, and end with user account management.

You might recommend to them that they scrub servers of accounts that haven't logged in for x number of days, weeks, or whatever.

And though I know it's a PVP game, you might also recommend to them that the style of gameplay fosters poor sportsmanship and crushes any competition. If a character was a business, that would be called Antitrust, and people hate that SO much that we kick bullies in the corporate crotch over this all of the time.

Monopolies of power cause players to flee. Lazy account management on behalf of Tynon leaves slots full that aren't. Email Administrators deal with this problem, too - when someone leaves a company, you have to remove their address after a while or your server will get full.

Rehash: Bullies make players leave. Players who left should be removed from the server after a fair amount of time. Thanks.

For me it's strange to see the prntscrn of Chloe that shows only 6 players in BF, 5 from her own guild. That means that many own members do not join BF or not active enough to participate. There can be many reasons why people are not online.
- they left the game
- on vacation and part of them may not return afterwards
- at work (for these players both BF are really bad scheduled!)
- at school (yes, in some countries school already started again or maybe is still going on)

Tynon crew keeps repeating themself servers are full and so there need to be opened new ones. As players we say to many inactive accounts on the server, so not full with active players. We see what we see, crew says they have numbers.

What if there comes a new feature (I know... many bugs... need to be fixed first... Just trying to find a solution for all of us!). When an account is inactive for let's say 5 days, it becomes a zombie and get moved into a basement. Actives can go to that basement and fight those zombies. For every kill you get a small reward in coins, credits, exp, rep... whatever. Rewards are for all the same (strong players gets the same as the weak), it's just a little extra for the active ones. It may not cost anything, so no stamina, to fight there. And the profit may not be higher that what you can get during BF either, just to prevent none plays BF.
The players that became a zombie, don't loose coins or credits while they get beaten in the basement. As mentioned above there can be many reasons why they are absent, but they might come back. If they would have lost everything, all motivation might gone. When a player log in again after certain period, they come back alive, get removed from the basement and can continue their game.

Now, at the amount of zombies we can see as players how many inactives the server counts.

Another reason why players are loosing interest is already mentioned by Toth. It's probably fun to be the strongest and beat all the competition. But in some cases the stronger players / guilds are killing their own game. By recruiting all the best players in 1 guild, there's no challenge left for anyone.

I saw a few times the proposal to merge servers. That's the problem of the whole game: when you start a week after the rest, it's already hard, almost impossible to catch up with the top. How about those that comes into a server that's 3-4 weeks older than the one they initially joined?

We all can whine here at the forum, but as long as we do not offer a good proposal, nothing will change.

Morgan, unless you have an account in any of the servers affected by this, you have no room to speak. Server 33 has 4 active guilds between 3 realms, and the guild I'm in has about 12-16 players on daily. Leaf realm has over 1200 players in the arena and I'm pretty sure that most of the top 50 are inactive Until you see the damage done, you can't be telling anyone that it's a communication problem...I think the whole server merging is a great idea and would keep everything and everyone going.

50-100 active players per realm is about average.

Regarding the communication thing. If you're not actively recruiting and encouraging players to take part in events, they get bored and don't bother playing. By your own admission there's 800 players on the arena and while this game is not to everyone's taste it makes me wonder whether guilds are putting the effort in.

50-100 active players?Your lucky if all realms reach that number on new servers

On average is 50 players, i said of those 50 most are inactive..I can't say that of those that went inactive moved to a new server that opened yesterday or the day before or the one the day before that, and most of the accounts that are active of those players are ppl from another guild in this server trying to get in the guild...is it also average to have one active guild per realm except fire realm which has two active guilds? We have been "actively recruiting" but who are we trying to recruit??? ghosts??? no one is there, i see talking here is pointless so I'm done with this. Have a nice dayy..

Is everyone forgetting that many of the players who started playing in the last 3 months are KIDS home from school for the summer? (here in the US at least)

And that summertime in the US is when most people get and take vacations?

So a good number of newer players will either go dead in the next 2 or 3 weeks, or joined the game just because they had nothing better to do with spare time. Tynon is opening servers like mad to try to get new people to join and spend money while they are off of school or work. It actually makes good business sense. Granted the glitches and bugs are driving people away, but Tynon already has their money in their pockets. And the idea that a TON of people are getting their money back through paypal for buying into a game is almost absurd beyond absurd. PayPal does not give up cash that easily or quickly. You spend foolishly, and try to whine to them for your cash back, most likely they will laugh at you and tell you too bad. I use paypal for my business on Etsy and Ebay. And have dealt with requests to give cash back often. The only charge back I have ever lost was due to my bad. I shipped the wrong item to a customer. So I settled by shipping the correct item and they got to keep the first item too. No cash ever got taken back.

The dynamic of this VERY young game will change over the next few weeks to a month as kids go back to school, and adults go back to work. Always was that way on Evony Age one, always will be that way here too.

*shrugs*

It's a business. Their goal is profit for them, fun for you and others is secondary.

Yes it is a business, and they would profit far more if they just listened to people on the forums once in a while. I have never seen a game company so out of touch with it's user base. it's sad, really.

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Yes it is a business, and they would profit far more if they just listened to people on the forums once in a while. I have never seen a game company so out of touch with it's user base. it's sad, really.

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And yet we still play it.

well i agree that to many servers = less people on each im on 4 different server . The later ones have 2k players but prob 300 MAYBE play. I am aware that you need to make money shore no problem there but from server 5 were this is 5112 , server 15 1500 people , server 36 1215 people = say 20% on each server that dont play? Now be honest here opening more and more servers people move on ( i think im on 4 of them lol) But its declining in people who are playing it. So Dawn can you either merge some servers or stop making each server. People will still pay $$$$ on them but if they dead they wont

Totalghost

Dark server 5
INFERNO server 15 & 36

Don't you guys get it? It was in uCool's business plan to have "X" amount of servers open by a certain date. Their "servers are full" message is just a canned message that goes out with the server opening. It doesn't mean anything and shouldn't be taken seriously. Just take it for what it is... an announcement that a new server is coming online. Nothing more. Nothing less.

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Don't you guys get it? It was in uCool's business plan to have "X" amount of servers open by a certain date. Their "servers are full" message is just a canned message that goes out with the server opening. It doesn't mean anything and shouldn't be taken seriously. Just take it for what it is... an announcement that a new server is coming online. Nothing more. Nothing less.

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o yes we get that its called profit more servers = $$$$. So the servers im on are nearly RS so to your nothing more or nothing less read why people have put up messages or "concerned" from people who like playing this game with o nothing more or nothing less

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o yes we get that its called profit more servers = $$$$. So the servers im on are nearly RS so to your nothing more or nothing less read why people have put up messages or "concerned" from people who like playing this game with o nothing more or nothing less

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If everything is to be believed in this thread about there being hardly any VIPs or players in newer servers then it would be logical to assume Tynon aren't making a profit. However, oddly enough they are. A bit of a contradiction there.

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If everything is to be believed in this thread about there being hardly any VIPs or players in newer servers then it would be logical to assume Tynon aren't making a profit. However, oddly enough they are. A bit of a contradiction there.

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Oh sure there are Vips in the new servers but 90% of those are Vip1s. I have a hard time believing tynon is making money off $5 from a few players and yes I actually play the game so I know what I am saying. In the older servers that have more realms and more people there are tons of vip5-8 because people are competing and spend more money to get ahead which causes other players to spend more money. This is a concept that seems to elude tynon. As I have said in the past new servers do not make more money- more people thus more competition does. But hey don't listen to the players who actually play the game.

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If everything is to be believed in this thread about there being hardly any VIPs or players in newer servers then it would be logical to assume Tynon aren't making a profit. However, oddly enough they are. A bit of a contradiction there.

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actually i think no one really put up about VIP . Im a VIP on 3 servers and spent $$$ which really if they keep on opening up more its a waste logically i can see why but they are going to screw this game up



So another words peoples concerns me squat ? and were all liars ? this is a community correct?

And nwidjaja44 +1 mate hit it on the head 100% correct

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Oh sure there are Vips in the new servers but 90% of those are Vip1s. I have a hard time believing tynon is making money off $5 from a few players and yes I actually play the game so I know what I am saying. In the older servers that have more realms and more people there are tons of vip5-8 because people are competing and spend more money to get ahead which causes other players to spend more money. This is a concept that seems to elude tynon. As I have said in the past new servers do not make more money- more people thus more competition does. But hey don't listen to the players who actually play the game.

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Actually the amount of high VIPs on older servers are due to the fact most of them played beta and were already spending a good month before the live servers launch. That and they've played longer so ergo would've spent more over a longer period.

Yes you did comment about newer servers didn't make much money then contradicted yourself that Tynon are opening because they are making a profit. Which creed do you believe?

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actually i think no one really put up about VIP . Im a VIP on 3 servers and spent $$$ which really if they keep on opening up more its a waste logically i can see why but they are going to screw this game up



So another words peoples concerns me squat ? and were all liars ? this is a community correct?

And nwidjaja44 +1 mate hit it on the head 100% correct

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No one is calling anyone liars, least of all me. Im just questioning the basis on which everyone makes their assumptions on. No one here in this thread including me have access to the data Tynon draws upon to make decisions whether to open more servers or not. I've said this many times but once again I repeat, servers are expensive to run. Over opening servers and making a loss on them is extremely bad business practice. This is, least we all forget a business and to be successful you need to make money, not flush it down the toilet.

You say you're a VIP3 on 3 servers? If its that bad why are you continuing to spend?

servers are full with inactive player... that dont get removed... well then a server is full indeed

tynon should remove player inactive for longer then 14 days.. and then add new players to old worlds first to actually make a full server..

okay i had to come back to say this, the point of this thread is that people want tynon to stop focusing on new consumers for one second and focus on its current consumers, i know it's probably harder than we make it out to be but it's something that they should at least take into consideration.You can't sit there and say that it new servers opening every week does nothing, and you can't make an assumption that it's the guilds fault for a lack of effort. If people see big players and figure its no point in trying to progress there, they'll see that the new server is opening in a few days and give up on the current server, oh? they missed their chance on that one? no problem there's another one the day after that, oh? they missed that one? no problem because there's another one the next day, oh? you get the picture now? if a player was given the time to grow "attatched" to the current account they would most likely, not surely, most likely stay active on the current account no? and as for the VIP remark, ppl pay for the game because tynon is a great game, it has potential and they want the potential to be brought out, so why not spend to try to bring that potential. IMO Morgan you need to get off your high horse and find a thick skull reduction surgery please...

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And I repeat. Have you all got less than 10 active players in your guilds. If that's not the case, why are you so quiet in WBs. Maybe you need to focus on pulling together as a team.

If players are quitting one server then moving onto another there is clearly an issue with communication.

I'm not calling anyone stupid, just using some common sense.

A good guild will grow and strengthen and not become dead.

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ACTUALLY YEAH we do only have about 10 active players in our guild, the other 10 are spread over the other TWO realms ( they dont even bother to put 5 realms in anymore theres only 3)
unless u suggest we make the whole server into 1 guild theres no other players to help us grow either

thankyou matt - yes i was using server 1 as my example of a "full " server it just makes it completly impossible to do anything - there is no1 to attack no maps to steal no one to even challenge us in GW coz no other guild can get to lvl 3 coz they cant get enough contributions. morgan before telling me off go have a look at the "full" servers for your self. moderators should know what they are talking about before running their mouths :)

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Not every player joins Baal/Cerb and that's only one realm. That screenshot means nothing.

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thats my realm yeah - but the other 2 can barely kill a 10m cerb/baal so thats the most active one....
SERIOUSLY GO LOOK AT THEM IF U WANT TO BE A MODERATOR N TALK ****

PLEASE, find a way to merg servers Tynon Devs, PLEASE
I'm with Chlo, it's no fun with three realms, but then it is so I'm still playing x)

this is what the want brad... theyll open a bunch of emty servers bs that theyre full coz players spend more in the first week or so normally.. they know this from evony... then theyre banking on everyone spending more after the merges its just stupid.

since im sure you wont bother morgan - heres s1 in arie and s32 in arie and yes,, the people are turned on.... theres about 6

http://gyazo.com/dade90a928147414ff192680791cce2c.png

I definitely understand that many of you have the perception that there are not enough active players on some of the newer servers. I'll bring that feedback to the developers.

This thread has become unproductive and excessively negative so I'm closing it.