GROSS PLAYER IMBALANCE PROBLEM FROM HEAVY Credit Card Users RUINING Entire Servers

I am sure that this problem pertains to a lot of servers in the Tynon gaming universe. But we apparently got a kid with an ultra wealthy family that's given him a credit card and he's buying 10-20 coin chests a day and also talking his guild members into giving him their account log in info so he can "give them free gems and coins" to "help the guild". Frankly I think he may have hacked the gem server code or is using prior accounts he talked into getting log in info from to use their credit card info to buy gems....

At any rate, the problem is that just a few players who throw a ton of money at the game are completely dominating the game play and destroying the fun and satisfaction in developing characters. It's really creating lopsided play and making it impossible to prevail in guild wars, pirate sailing, PvP, Arena etc. etc. It's a moral buster and people at some point just drop out of game play and we have fewer and fewer active players to interact with.

Possible Remedy:
1) Could you let players request character reassignment to other servers with perhaps some penalty (loss of rank/title etc.) to do it and prevent lots of spurious jumping around?
2) OR, could you create special servers where ultra high might players can migrate to so the rest of the server play can be more normalized? Maybe even create a "vanity" server where one is auto-progressed (or their power cap is frozen at a certain level) to the elite-class server once they have achieved a certain threshold?
3) Only other alternative I can think of would be to give us a handicap system.

I am not against credit card players at all but some are really going to the extreme with it and completely ruining entire servers and forcing many to leave/abandon their accounts.

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Hmm. No offense, who who's money is it? Is theirs, whatever they wanna spend it on- so be it, plus, many people work hard, or are retired peeps, or yes, they're kids with rich parents who gives to these kids the money.So what? Their money, their issue. Plus, thanks to all the VIP users, players that can't afford to buy VIP get to enjoy the game for free, as basically, the VIP are paying for their game-play. Is called a "free-rider" (economics)

PS- I'm VIP4.

Boro, will you marry me?

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Originally Posted by Boroeast

Hmm. No offense, who who's money is it? Is theirs, whatever they wanna spend it on- so be it, plus, many people work hard, or are retired peeps, or yes, they're kids with rich parents who gives to these kids the money.So what? Their money, their issue. Plus, thanks to all the VIP users, players that can't afford to buy VIP get to enjoy the game for free, as basically, the VIP are paying for their game-play. Is called a "free-rider" (economics)

PS- I'm VIP4.

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Boro did you even read my comments with comprehension? Why did you have to take this down the same old tired and irrational path of "we need VIP players to pay for the non gem players" line of dialog when I said CLEARLY that I have nothing against VIP play right up front?? WHAT I SAID is there is ABUSE in this category where some are completely dominating with massive amounts of spending - many thousands of dollars and creating a whole new super class of user that utterly DESTROYS entire servers in a TYRANNICAL and ABUSIVE WAY. There is a HUGE difference in concept between paying to participate and play verses PURCHASING the server to become The Server God and DESTROYING all game satisfaction for the rest of the people so unlucky to set up an account on that server to run into this nonsense. If people have the option to relocate and let the miscreants who want to destroy game play for everyone "play with themselves" (and you can take that in the self abuse sense) alone while everyone else relocates then let them have all the fun they want alone buying the entire server and pretending to be demi-gods with no subjects who want to submit to that BS. VIP4 - VIP 6 is one thing but VIP 10+ is owning the server and bullying everyone into just abandoning their accounts for wasted time...

"WHAT I SAID is there is ABUSE in" this category where some are completely dominating with massive amounts of spending - many thousands of dollars and creating a whole new super class of user that utterly DESTROYS entire servers in a TYRANNICAL and ABUSIVE WAY. "

How is spending money abusing? Is pay-to-win, not paying to abuse. I don't see that it destroys any server, in fact, it does not.It does the positive- From a business point of view, as well from a player.

"There is a HUGE difference in concept between paying to participate and play verses PURCHASING the server to become The Server God and DESTROYING all game satisfaction for the rest of the people so unlucky to set up an account on that server to run into this nonsense."

There's no difference, only difference I see is people that can't spend (for whatever reason it is) always complaining when VIP users get the top notch. Isn't this the whole point of purchasing gems? To become the God of the server and to dominate as much as possible? If you think having a paying costumer is nonsense..

"If people have the option to relocate and let the miscreants who want to destroy game play for everyone "play with themselves" (and you can take that in the self abuse sense) alone while everyone else relocates then let them have all the fun they want alone buying the entire server and pretending to be demi-gods with no subjects who want to submit to that BS. VIP4 - VIP 6 is one thing but VIP 10+ is owning the server and bullying everyone into just abandoning their accounts for wasted time"

This wouldn't many any difference. Tynon will just start closing down server and only keep and/or merge the servers that are alive and making cash. Abandoning what accounts? This will just make other users be VIP.

Is the game of the mechanics and economics- supply and demands, needs & wants.

I just don't get your concept of "bullying" the players if you're VIP. What are you talking about? Is money, money talks!

When money say "Boro!" I say "Yes, massa!"

I keep hearing about redemption tickets? what are they? how do you get them? someone said "a friend kept feeding me redemption tickets and I got to vip3 for free"

The same happened on server 14. A kid came in, bought vip8, destroyed the server, bullied everyone to a point most just quit and then left after 2 weeks of playing. It is a shame.

It would be great if they cap the purchase amount since they don't want to lose the balance on a server to a reasonable amount.

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Originally Posted by Wildflower

The same happened on server 14. A kid came in, bought vip8, destroyed the server, bullied everyone to a point most just quit and then left after 2 weeks of playing. It is a shame.

It would be great if they cap the purchase amount since they don't want to lose the balance on a server to a reasonable amount.

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lol you dreaming then they will miss income that will never happen :)

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Originally Posted by Boroeast

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I just don't get your concept of "bullying" the players if you're VIP. What are you talking about? Is money, money talks!

When money say "Boro!" I say "Yes, massa!"

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Boro, I have played web games such as RTS, MMO's and just plain old flash based games. In my time of gaming I have run across a few where pay players get leveled only to spend more just to get pwned again. I have even seen players of the like, which what most of your reply mentioned. Money talks and people walk. Point is there should always be a checks and balance system. I am not all to keen on alts either, RiverBummer. I know exactly what you're talking about. So again Boro, this game seems not to care to have one and that's really just sad. Yeah you can say there are things to make up for the difference, but there really isn't. What do you care though, right Boro? If you're paying all that kinds of money to a game, you at least would want to see it run smoother and see things get fixed. Like bugs, glitches, hackers, web defense etc. Thanks for all the patches is what I am saying I guess. Whoever those people are that make those possible.....

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Originally Posted by Wildflower

The same happened on server 14. A kid came in, bought vip8, destroyed the server, bullied everyone to a point most just quit and then left after 2 weeks of playing. It is a shame.

It would be great if they cap the purchase amount since they don't want to lose the balance on a server to a reasonable amount.

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hahah no, vip12, is the cap

You play a pay to win game and you complain about people paying to win? :confused:

Hi just a plain old simple girl here :) yes i am a VIP 6,and have only just got to being 4.9 mill power, and i have put up a lot of cold hard CASH to play this game,and i don't have all these super gems, or the massive power, nor do i even have i piece of champion Chesguard,on any of my team! I see massive powered players, dominating the game, and i know that most of them are not VIP's at all, i see peep's with nearly complete sets of guardian armour, and they are only just over 3 mill, i even came across 1 player that was not even 3 mill in power! with guardian armour that i cant even get at 4.9 mill so something is truely amiss in the game!!!

just cos some peeps pay to play does not mean that you should judge us all the same i work dam hard for my money ( MY MONEY ) and it is not up to some peeps to tell me how i can spend it!

Tynon you made the monster, so why do you now try and judge what you help create.

oh yeah i might add i DO NOT go around scrapping every thing that moves, nor do i hang around in the realms waiting to feed off other players!it is usually me that gets hit when i am collecting items to help boost a scroll, the other day i was hit for just over 1 mill in coins alone!
its these types of rewards that have help fuel your super powered players and not us peeps who pay to play

I hear a lot of complains about the people that pay to play the game, and yes, I am one of them. Have you ever considered that if no one paid there would not be a game? Some one has to pay for the salaries of the developers, the support staff, the equipment, etc.

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hahah no, vip12, is the cap

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lol yeah in vip lvl but you can stilll buy gems :)

Spending on ten coin chests each day is highly inefficient. There are many better ways to spend gems. However, they are much less immediate and have limits.A few fools fail to realize that, in a way, their money is an investment in the success of the game. The more players spend, the more influence they have in the game environment. If they abuse other players, everyone leaves, and their investment is wasted. I did purchase VIP1, and have no problems with players who spend money.

However, I do have issues with alt accounts and flat out cheating.

Every player has a choice whether they spend money or not. No one has the right to curb anyone's spending on this game or however anyone uses their flexible friend.

Spending money is not a guarantee into having a all powerful account, time and effort is still needed.

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Every player has a choice whether they spend money or not. No one has the right to curb anyone's spending on this game or however anyone uses their flexible friend.

Spending money is not a guarantee into having a all powerful account, time and effort is still needed.

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Arghh. Beat me to it.

spending how much money? no you wont win with 50$ but you will with 500$ or atleast be big enough to own 95% of the world not even mentioning people that spend more then that..

i be world champion if i got 10000 gems.. so yes money does win the game if you have alot of it laying around.

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Originally Posted by RiverBummer

3) Only other alternative I can think of would be to give us a handicap system.

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You guys completely missed this point. We have a player on our server who is 35M power with the next closest player being 20M. It's true that our "super player" pretty much has carte blanche over the rest of the server and granted he paid for that right. However, I agree with RiverBummer that if some kind of handicapping system were in place, then it would make it a lot more fun for the smaller players to at least have a shot at beating players like this. If they can do it in golf and bowling, then why not Tynon?

You know I agree that some thing's should be tapered off. But as far as guilds containing spenders and holding down the whole
server. I don't think that's the case at least on the 2 server's I play on. On my 2nd server I haven't spent a dime and we are the top guild and have the best members
and my guy's are moderate spender's such as vip3 and lower. The 2nd biggest guy has spent a ton of cash and is still #2. Spending does "NOT" make you the best.
Only your attitude and perseverance does. My guild is the best cause I set down guide lines. No cussing no down-talking no arena gem or leader card stealing from each other
and on top of that. Encourage your guild mates. For all of that we're #1 not spending 12,000,000,000 $$$
So step up. And make your guild the best threw encouragement and action. Not by spending and whining.

I agree why would a player like me want to spend any money were the server is already bought by a high credit card user.. waist of my time and money....

This is a company that made Evony..are some people seriously complaining about players spending cash to be the strongest? Lol. Tynon staff don't care as long as they get $$$.

Not all here know Evony. To refer to that as a reason why would should not complain seems not a good argument to me.
I don't feel the problem is spending cash to be the strongest.
The problem is a kid that goes beserk on different servers, kills the realm he is in and bullies other players and then quits and most likely gets his money back.
There should be ways to avoid disbalancing a server like that.
I hear Dawnseeker and others say things are done to keep the server balanced. Thus this is a real issue that needs to be looked at.

[QUOTE=Boroeast;16532]"WHAT I SAID is there is ABUSE in" this category where some are completely dominating with massive amounts of spending - many thousands of dollars and creating a whole new super class of user that utterly DESTROYS entire servers in a TYRANNICAL and ABUSIVE WAY. "

How is spending money abusing? Is pay-to-win, not paying to abuse. I don't see that it destroys any server, in fact, it does not.It does the positive- From a business point of view, as well from a player.

Im sorry I dont agree with you on most your points, yes the game needs players to spend money but so do allot of other games and they are allot more balanced because you can only buy so much improvement, mostly its exp boosts and such. Im a vip4 almost 5 myself 4th strongest on my server but, we have 1-2 players who have made sure their power levels are at min double anyone elses. How is that competitive? Whats the fun of totally owning a server without anyone ever being able to compete with you? Thats the issue and problem. I had the strongest guild and very active members until day 3 these two players showed up and took over the server buying endless amounts of chests etc etc. They abuse sailing by making sure they can sail and steal 6 times a day picking mostly on the bigger players like myself making sure we cant complete sails. They can sit and guard any map in guild war just by guarding G alone. I have 5 1mil+ people and 2-3 2mil and Im almost 3 mil while these guys are 5-6 mil power. We have no chance of keeping or getting land in Guild wars., Allot of players have quit the servers almost dead and more people run to thier guild rather then try and fight agaist them because I guess its easier then not being able to get any rewards. I would only ask that there be put a limit to the amount of chests that could be purchased per day or something to slow down the growth.

Make it so they can only advance to a certain poiint based on the currrent average player on a server and then to continue to advance they would need to allow others to advance before they could continue to grow. This would slow it down and make it more competitive while still giving them a pretty good edge but not impossible to beat in groups.

Funny how most solutions to fix server imbalances involve handicapping the bigger players, some of whom happen to have spent quite a bit of money on the game.

Anyways, in any game that there is a ranking system there are gonna be winners and losers.

Thank you, Boro, for your sanity check.

As one of the aforementioned and much maligned Harbingers of Doom I say this after reading most of this thread, combined with Boro's insights: awesome. Oh also, capitalism works.

I get into these arguments all the time on my server, as there are a number of 'power players,' including myself that got together to form an unstoppable guild. Why?

Because we wanted to be an unstoppable guild.

Each spending hours researching forums for rune/form combos, testing them out on each other. Amping talents and weapons upgrades. Wild cred rolls in tavern to redeem spirits not for what we could get, but to get what we wanted. All for the ability to dominate. There are a number of ways to fight against such a power guild, including joining them, or more interestingly form alliances against them. We've had some of our best times being challenged 2 or 3 times simultaneously in guild wars. We've lost cities, taken cities, sunk ships, etc.

I've been asked many times if I would be willing to give up my number 1 arena slot or start losing cerb/baal to let someone else 'have a chance.' My answer: come and take it. I've heard alot of whining from players who feel it's unfair, or there should be a power cap or even a handicap, such as for every day you're not in the top 5 in arena you recieve some kind of power bonus that over a period of days/weeks might allow you to topple the power players.

What alot of people fail to understand is that Tynon is a business. It's a great game, but don't fool yourselves into thinking the dev team is constantly working out of the goodness of their hearts. Everyone has to eat. Far from 'killing' servers, power players are the only ones keeping them alive, allowing freeloaders to take advantage of the game without actually contributing anything other than time. That's the best deal you will find out there, yet just like life there will always be a 'cap' at what you can achieve without investing tangible recompense in exchange for services or a competitive advantage.

If you go to a car dealership and say 'I want the best free car you have,' you can't complain when they hand you the keys to a '95 Geo Metro and leave the Audi in the display lot for someone willing to shell out the cash. A .95 cent package of Top Ramen is quick and easy, but will not be as nutritious or filling as a more expensive, well rounded meal. That's life. If you want free handouts, go somewhere with a communist/socialist dynamic.

Yes, some people leave servers like fish swimming before sharks. Those that stay find a way to make the system work to their advantage, again through alliances, investments or savvy application of their own skills. Or simply learn how to adapt to being powerless among the powerful. There's been guilds that have asked for truces like 'sink-free saturdays' to get the gem rewards, or guilds that have dissolved to merge with other guilds and make a more powerful and unified whole.

Personally, I find 'emptier' servers to be much more dynamic because the quality of opponents increases while quantity reduces. I don't need to switch realms and step over 1800 'nonplayers' to find the opponents I'm eager to fight against. I'm past the days of being part of guilds where I have to explain why you don't waste Righteousness on a mage. I want to log in after a hard day's work and be around people who intensely share the same interests in PVP warfare via this medium, rather than the juvenile chat room trolling or girlfriend searching that takes place on most new servers before the fat gets cut out.

And yes, I want freeloaders to nerd-rage about 'rolling me up rl,' then jump realms to stomp on their heads. That makes me warm and fuzzy inside.

So the rest of you...run! Haha.

Warmest Regards,

VIP6

For me there is a difference between people who spend a lot of money, work hard and own the server versus 1 person who spends 5000 to 10.000 dollars in the first week and then quits and claims money back.
This does not make Tynon money.

Ofcourse this is a business and there is nothing wrong with differences in power in my view. There will always be stronger ones versus smaller ones. Spenders make sure the game stays alive.
Whitout them, this game could not exist, but without the none paying customers it wouldn't survive long either.
I have no issue with people spending money. Also people can play how they want to play. I agree that top players can make for savy enemies and that too can be very fun.

This particular discussion is not about someone who wants to play and own with mad skills combined with great funds.
It is about someone who wants to really kill the server and the fact that Tynon Devs continuesly say they do things to keep a server balanced.
Either they should not claim they want balanced servers or do something about this particular issue by capping the gempurchase per week or month.

It doesn't mean you can't get to that level, it just will take some more time and will solve the issue without taking the advantage buyers have.
Most Vip players I know rise slowly to level 6 or 7 and own because of the slow rise, so for them it wouldn't change much.

But again, just my opinion ;)

I don't get it how one player can imbalance a server?

Even if gets to 100 million power, just ignore that player.

He cannot dictate how you play the game.

You are wrong there Herby.
On 45/water we have a player who is doing his best to disrupt the game for everyone.

He/she claims to be "just vip3" and has been kicked out of every guild except the one he is in currently.
I suspect he paid the guild leader to step down and make him host.
He was booted from the previous guilds for stealing stakes from guild mates.
He is closing in on 5 mil power which for that server is close to the top.
He sinks whoever he can and made alts to takes the maps he steals so he can continue sinking.
He would threaten players and their guilds to force them to steal maps so he could keep sinking more ships.
He has been on all 3 realms and just moved onto water because nobody on the realm had anywhere close to his power.
He is in the number 1 slot in the arena and takes the stakes from 6th-2nd slots. I suspect he has a bot working because
the stakes disappear pretty much all day every day.
He says that he is on our realm to save us from the more powerful guilds on the other realms.
He doesn't see his actions as bullying. He believes we want his help. He believes we want our stakes taken.
He says he's here to help us.
He says he knows what is best for us. And that he IS what's best for us.

The rest of us just want him to go away.
Some people have left the server. Others are ready to.

As for ignoring them, how do you do that? We aren't talking chat block here.
He IS destroying the realm and the server. How do you ignore that?

Gorgon

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You are wrong there Herby.
On 45/water we have a player who is doing his best to disrupt the game for everyone.

He/she claims to be "just vip3" and has been kicked out of every guild except the one he is in currently.
I suspect he paid the guild leader to step down and make him host.
He was booted from the previous guilds for stealing stakes from guild mates.
He is closing in on 5 mil power which for that server is close to the top.
He sinks whoever he can and made alts to takes the maps he steals so he can continue sinking.
He would threaten players and their guilds to force them to steal maps so he could keep sinking more ships.
He has been on all 3 realms and just moved onto water because nobody on the realm had anywhere close to his power.
He is in the number 1 slot in the arena and takes the stakes from 6th-2nd slots. I suspect he has a bot working because
the stakes disappear pretty much all day every day.
He says that he is on our realm to save us from the more powerful guilds on the other realms.
He doesn't see his actions as bullying. He believes we want his help. He believes we want our stakes taken.
He says he's here to help us.
He says he knows what is best for us. And that he IS what's best for us.

The rest of us just want him to go away.
Some people have left the server. Others are ready to.

As for ignoring them, how do you do that? We aren't talking chat block here.
He IS destroying the realm and the server. How do you ignore that?

Gorgon

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Report him and his alts for using the sink-pass strategy.

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Report him and his alts for using the sink-pass strategy.

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That would imply they in fact act on reported players. I have seen otherwise even with screenshots of confessions about the ammount of alts.

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That would imply they in fact act on reported players. I have seen otherwise even with screenshots of confessions about the ammount of alts.

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Tynon has suspended and banned players for infractions of the TOS.

The complaints should be pouring in. So far nothing has been done.

You avoided answering my question though, Herby.
How do we ignore him?

Gorgon

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The complaints should be pouring in. So far nothing has been done.

You avoided answering my question though, Herby.
How do we ignore him?

Gorgon

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Sorry, I didn't see that part.

Usually people who do this type of "disruptions" tend to talk a lot, in world chat or realm chat, trying to draw attention to themselves.

Is this player acting as such?

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That would imply they in fact act on reported players. I have seen otherwise even with screenshots of confessions about the ammount of alts.

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I'm just going to note this here: A "confession" means absolutely nothing, and no game company would ever action a player based solely on chat, unless the chat itself was the violation (e.g. they have a rule against profanity and profanity was used).

Why is this? Because its impossible to get the full context and we can't know if the player is joking or being sarcastic. Chat logs may indeed prompt us to launch our own investigation, but the investigation will determine if the player is violating the game rules, not the chat logs/screenshot.

Furthermore, we will not share the results of our investigation or the measures taken against a player with anyone else. This is to protect the player's privacy (its not a law, just our policy). Even if you're the one who reported a violation, its not your business what happens to a player as a result of that violation. That is between the player and us. The only exception is if the player breaches the privacy wall by lying about his/her actions in the public forum in an attempt to deflect blame or slander the game. In that case, the player has breached privacy and we may set the record straight, if we feel its necessary. This is a very rare case.

Getting back to the point of this thread, people are allowed to spend money on the game. That is in fact, how this game is able to exist. The game is free to play forever, but some people have to buy stuff or we can't afford to continue paying for staff and servers and power and mega internet connections. If we cracked down on everyone who sank someone's boat or took the #1 spot in arena, then we would quickly put ourselves out of business and then no one could play.

We do and have cracked down on exploiters, regardless of the amount they've spent. Buying Gems does not give anyone a free pass for violating the TOS.

So I'm closing this thread. You may not like someone, but this has gone on longer than I should have allowed it. If you have evidence or reason to believe he's actually exploiting, then please use the billing support system to report him. Forum staff will not get involved in things like this.