100 gems to remove level 4 embedded gems

100 is extremely high and is not really worth it, but free to remove is non-feasible because the people who win Baal/Cerb generally log on every day and are picking up 2x level 4 chips per day for their troubles. It's like a snowball rolling down a mountain. Start winning, and then the level 4s give you an advantage so you keep winning and widening that advantage. You've probably noticed that the devs seem to have targeted wb as too fast a way to get ahead. The 10m for final blow, and the plan drops, have both been nerfed. And this was with the level 4 removal fee already in effect. They're not going to go to the trouble to slow down the regular baal/cerb winners only to turn around and give them the keys to the maserati. The regular winners are already almost completely loaded up with level 4 chips. Make it free or easy to remove those chips, and the regular winners will average a level 5 chip every 2.5 days, while everyone else toils away merging level 3 after level 3 after level 3. Now if the regular winners had the foresight not to plug all their level 4 chips in immediately, they would reap the rewards.

And don't tell me the new lab rewards change this. Everyone has a shot at those, but the regular wb winners are adding to their already guaranteed 2 level 4 chips per day. I'd say the change in lab rewards shows again that the devs realized the regular wb winners were getting ahead too fast, so they at least gave everyone else a chance to get level 4 chips elsewhere.

For the record, I have coined for a total of $4.75, so I certainly will not be paying 100 gems to remove a level 4 chip. I place top 5 pretty much every time I fight wb, but very rarely 1st. I got ahead by farming, which of course has also been nerfed with the terribly low 10 attacks per day. This also fits the pattern of negating things that allow people to progress too fast without coining.

you arent seeing the big picture of the game dourdim lol,those people already massively ahead,are the people who certainly paid their dues in the first place. they deserve to be that far. people complaining about the vip 8+ people are probably the ones who are either self absorbed or jealous. its no use to try to slow them down when they are paying for the exact reason to speed it up. if they were really worried about people reaching the end of the game too soon,then they perhaps should have put in alot more content,or continuously add on to what there is now. and your argument on chip removal cost is one track minded. you do realize how expensive the rates are im guessing? even the high coiners dont just shift their chips around daily they cant afford to. and with the chip removal cost increasing by 2x each tier of chip up after 3 is insane. no one will ever make it to a lvl 11 chip+ at the rate of what this game currently gives. if anything the chip rate we should be getting should be roughly 10x what it is now or 20x people hitting lvl 90 soon and dont even have a lvl 7 chip lol. not even half way there in chips not even 1/10,000,000 the way there for a lvl 15 chip.

If chips olny went to level 7, then the remove costs is not too big of a deal. It wouldnt take too terribly long to build up to level 7. But since chips go to level 15 and the increased cost per level of chip to remove, The removal cost is ridiculous for everyone

Igivecreampies, it seems the devs disagree with you. It's not a question of who "deserves" to be ahead. It's a question of one aspect of the game (wb) providing a way for people, including non-coiners, to get ahead too fast, at a much greater rate than everyone else, and in a way that is self-sustaining and bad for balance. I'm obviously not complaining about VIP8 people, that is a straw man argument, if they are VIP8 they can afford paying 100 gems to remove the level 4 chip, and more power to them. I realize how high the rates get when they double each time. Doubling is a bad formula, I agree. But a high initial cost for level 4s is appropriate because otherwise the wb winner (and generally there is only 1 person who wins the majority of every wb) on each realm of each server will be unstoppable otherwise.

It looks like the devs are taking steps to minimize the advantage that the daily wb winner gets (see the change to 10m for final blow, and the change to plan drops), and they are also negating other things that allowed people to get ahead too quickly without coining, such as limiting attacks to 10. Most people know the cost of removing a level 4, or learn of it before they are completely full of level 4s. They/you have the choice of whether to embed them right away or save and synthetize for higher levels.

you're stuck on the idea of a lvl 4 chip being the highest chip i see,you fail to realize the cost goes up with each tier of chip. vip 8s cant afford to keep moving chips around and continue their growth rate. also seems your stuck on the idea of wb being the biggest factor of lvl 4 chips,if they at getting those chips daily,chances are they just paid and worked hard to get there so to penalize them by making them pay to move something they already own off of something they also already own and paid a cost to open the slot. is stupidity. "synthesizing for higher levels" shouldnt be the go to,you should be able to have the open ability to use whatever you already own whenever you see fit without having to pay extra. you fail to realize that the cost of moving chips doubles per tier. so tell me how much you'll be suporrting this idea one day when it starts penalizing you,only reason you're supporting this is because you probably dont have a single lvl 4+ chip yet.

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Originally Posted by dourdim_4949350

Igivecreampies, it seems the devs disagree with you. It's not a question of who "deserves" to be ahead. It's a question of one aspect of the game (wb) providing a way for people, including non-coiners, to get ahead too fast, at a much greater rate than everyone else, and in a way that is self-sustaining and bad for balance. I'm obviously not complaining about VIP8 people, that is a straw man argument, if they are VIP8 they can afford paying 100 gems to remove the level 4 chip, and more power to them. I realize how high the rates get when they double each time. Doubling is a bad formula, I agree. But a high initial cost for level 4s is appropriate because otherwise the wb winner (and generally there is only 1 person who wins the majority of every wb) on each realm of each server will be unstoppable otherwise.

It looks like the devs are taking steps to minimize the advantage that the daily wb winner gets (see the change to 10m for final blow, and the change to plan drops), and they are also negating other things that allowed people to get ahead too quickly without coining, such as limiting attacks to 10. Most people know the cost of removing a level 4, or learn of it before they are completely full of level 4s. They/you have the choice of whether to embed them right away or save and synthetize for higher levels.

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Given that a level 15 chip is pretty much not feasible, it stands to reason that even if you're getting two level 4 chips per day, there's an upper limit to the power you can achieve that way (e.g. you'll eventually get stuck for months without progressing in power from combined chips).

It takes 5 level 4 chips to get a level 5 chip.
It takes 5*5 (25) level 4 chips to get a level 6 chip.
It takes 5*5*5 (125) level 4 chips to get a level 7 chip.
It takes 5*5*5*5 (625) level 4 chips to get a level 8 chip.

Now, at 625 level 4 chips to get one single level 8 chip, you would have to rank 1st in Baal/Cerb AND get the same level 4 chip for 312.5 days straight. Given how that scenario is pretty much statistically impossible, it would actually take much longer to get a single level 8 chip. Given there are seven different types of chips, and assuming that each time grants you a different one (far more likely), you're looking at 2187.5 days or just under six years to get a single level 8 chip from placing first in Cerberus and Baal every single day. Even if you get lucky and get a lot more of a certain type of chip faster, it would still take you at least three or four years to get that chip. How many of us will even be playing Tynon at that time?

Given these hard cold facts, there is absolutely no reason to slow people down with this 100+ gem removal fee. Progress would already be slow enough on its own. Once you get to level 6 chips, increasing power beyond that easily takes months (getting 125 of the same chip to get a single level 7 chip would take you an average of 125/2*7=437.5 days, or over a year).

For those curious, a single level 6 chip takes anywhere between 12.5 to 87.5 days depending on your luck on chip types. That's a lot of time invested for one measly chip that you can't even move around once placed without spending $10 or more.

Klepto, thank you. exactly supporting my point. and thats just a lvl 8 chip. it is a IMPOSSIBILITY to get a lvl 15 chip,even if you're a billionaire your chances are next to 0 you would be dead or run out of money or both before you even touch a 12.

so if the devs disagree with me or not,the truth is they will have to actually increase our chip gains by alot more for this gem removal cost to even have a point in the game,but as it stands now. theres no need for it at all.

Level 4 chips from laby. 700+ score some can do 4+ labs a day. Now that factors into the level 4 gain. Plus 50% for chips temp people to buying them. WB ain't the only avenue to these chips.

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Originally Posted by DaBooMan

Level 4 chips from laby. 700+ score some can do 4+ labs a day. Now that factors into the level 4 gain. Plus 50% for chips temp people to buying them. WB ain't the only avenue to these chips.

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Reducing a level 8 chip from six years to two to three or even down to one in a best case scenario is still a LONG time for a single chip with a specific amount of power gained. The relative power level of players at that time will far overshadow the power gained from a single level 8 chip.

Well the level 4 introduction to lab was recently which only suggests they miscalculated alot on this game with such a short beta. So changes will come. But if game is successful and progressing even at the highest level people will stay. How many people spent years on evony b4 coming here? And that game had very little change towards progression. You would just sit build feed attack on loop. So with a game that could offer so much if they got it right, people could be here for alot longer.
Guess it's a wait and see