I love my Smoulder, but, I just realised he's really.... weak. so why is he Gold? he barely hit all 5 target, he can only hit 3 or 2 in normally. I do understand he's the weakest magic damager there is. So why is he Gold then?
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I love my Smoulder, but, I just realised he's really.... weak. so why is he Gold? he barely hit all 5 target, he can only hit 3 or 2 in normally. I do understand he's the weakest magic damager there is. So why is he Gold then?
Umm..let's see he can hit all 5 targets. Which why he has weaker attacks and is also why adamanti's thousand strikes is weaker compared to say driving blow. Throw a lvl 9 preciseness rune on him and you should be good to go against most people in pvp for quite a long time.
my smoulder has level 9 preciseness rune and a level 10 intense rune. he rarely hits 5 targets. Adamanti's Thousand strikes is way stronger than him lol. probably it can skill crit. and mages don't do magic crits
I agree with lamodomo, Smoulder is very underpowered.
I was comparing thousand strikes to driving blow but whatever.
I usually hit at least 3 heroes with horns of hell and shayd isn't all that more reliable.
High Star level Smoulder with high level gear are quite powerful in Ragnarok and PvP.
Example:
8 Star Smoulder with Level 30 Armour, Level 60 Staff and level 10 runes.
Level Magic Attack Talent to level 50 onwards and you're seeing 12-18k magic damage each turn from Smoulder.
Thats what I have. but my smolder is 6 star atm. still he can do 11-15k magic damage. still. not enough to compete with Adamanti Skill Crit attack which I think, deals 25-35K damage and it mostly hits four people off the panel. Combine him with a Bloodstorm its like, GG for you hahaha. Skill Crit is just insane in this game =))Quote:
Originally Posted by Herby
My Smoulder hits 90% of the time, all 5 targets.
He have a nice gear, plus lvl 10 preciousness and lvl 10 dodge rune, lvl 10 break and lvl 9 magic attacks.
Yeah. And for those of us in the real world... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Boroeast
You'll have better luck with a flyswatter than having Smoulder in your lineup too soon. "Out of the box", he sucks.
meh.... I wish mage can do magic crit. so I can see 25K damage or something. Smoulder is just... weak. its depressing :(
smoulder isnt weak at all. hes weak INDIVIDUALLY, BUT if u add all that damage together then youll notice the longer he lasts ina fight the higher ur chance of winning. and with adam, hes good i get it, but u can take him out REAL easy. anad in 1 turn he does 25k damage, if its a crit. and smoulder does half that everytime. while adam needs to recharge. to be honest adamanti is gona be one of the best heroes, at higgher lvl gears cuz of the inital morale boosts. he will be able to hit athousand strikes off every 2 rounds. thats at 75 morale + so LB?
Pretty much this^Quote:
Originally Posted by molina5678910_6793034
Smoulder requires some work to get him inflicting the damage you want. Since players as a rule leave their magic damage to last, Smoulder when equipped right hurts. :)
Couldn't have said it better myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by molina5678910_6793034
Contrary to some opinions smoulder makes a nice tank.... mines a saint IV (48k hp, 10.9k PD, 14.3k SD, 15.2k MD) Even though is dodge is only level 8 he dodges more then any other hero i have. ON the otherside his mag att is only 17.5k currently, but that is being worked on.
magic don't crit. right? how do we know that magic ever crits?
I don't get what you said, where did someone say that magic crits? Or are you trying to say that they should be able to?Quote:
Originally Posted by lamodomo_2092870
Crit runes do nothing for mages.Quote:
Originally Posted by lamodomo_2092870
with a level 9 Gold Hit rune, smoulder still misses most of the targets. Its like their program to miss. he only hits 3 or 4 people. Seriously. and you know what, my opponent doesn't have any nimble rune and still dodge smoulder's attack.
Why use break rune on him isn't that only so your attack won't be blocked and I haven't seen magic attack get blocked yet cause if it does then there should be counter attack too with the block.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boroeast
mages can't counter attack. I've only seen them block attacks.
I haven't used a break runes though. but I'll tell you when I'm level 80 and see if they can preform well.
Yes a lot of people have claimed t have seen it but no one can confirm it. If the attack is blocked there should be counter attack to it. If there wasn't it could be just something with animation.Quote:
Originally Posted by lamodomo_2092870
BTW I'm only talking about PvP,
yep, mages magic attacks can be block in PVP, but it rarely happens. when doing AoE with Smoulder, he only hits 2 or 3 targets. and it's not a "miss" factor but. out of Five target, three of them will be magic damage, one of it will say "miss", and another one, never is not program to hit. Thats why smoulder is so nerf so much. compare to Adamanti's "thousand strikes" it hit 4-5 times and it does skill critical damage.
herby,my smoulder isnt that good spec and he hits more than 18k every time
hahaha funny as fQuote:
Originally Posted by subliminal
hmmm I think smoulder is only good when he is paired with Adamanti, which is an OP hero.
here's what I found out. since I'm on a mage build line up. powering up smoulder is not worth it. Shayd on the other hand works better.
I know I shouldn't compare the two of them, since Smoulder is AoE and Shayde is single target. Shayd isn't reliable in hitting the targets though, she makes up for it by stunning and dealing damage IF she hits her target. Compare to Smoulder, sure he can hit 3 or 4 but mostly 3 targets. its just random and not really reliable even if he's equip with level 10 golden hit rune. he still does Miss even if the target is 1 or 2. and not really that usefull in heroic realm.
Is there any way they could make Smoulder just a LITTLE bit usefull in Heroic Realm or in PVP. really. . . . .?
I see several people using smoulder in World Boss, since the Boss's morale doesn't go up when Smoulder hits it.Quote:
Originally Posted by lamodomo_2092870
So they do: Cianna Smoulder Shayd Bloodstorm Leader
Once you can put a Light Spirit on both Cianna and Calvin, Smoulder is switched out.
yeah, once a player has a light bringer set. they are insanely strong now. since it keeps the morale bar fill. so that'll be a never ending Thousand Blade from adamanti. lol. gosh, I wonder if the dev ever think about that could affect PVP to a whole new level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herby
You exaggerate. Its not never ending. only 75% morale is retained.Quote:
Originally Posted by lamodomo_2092870
i think the last gear will give u 95% back so it will never be 100% all the timeQuote:
Originally Posted by Herby
I would love to see Smoulder modified so his base damage is something like 1.5 times Shayd's. Then, divide that damage up among all the people he hits. This way he would do decent damage against groups, and high damage vs single targets. The increase in damage is the offset to Shayd's stun chance.
all i ever wanted for smoulder is to hit his targets. atleast 5 targets all the time.
lamodomo, with your all-mage build, you would love the new update.
There's another mage with horns of hell skill.
There's a more powerful one that can do the flame wall skill of the bosses.
And there's one that can do a big magic hit on one target, that doesn't miss much at all.
it cannot be weak just let
Yes I totally love the new patch herby. Since they updated, Shayde's looks, and cool lightning attacking from Smoulders makes me want to keep him even more ^^ and of course new mages! 3 strong mage! looks like it'll be 3 or 5 months to get all 3 strong mages. Aphrodite, Brynhildr, and Mulan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herby
my biggest obstacle for now, is killing Minister lasviscus (Elite) to get the Iron Heart Relic. but without using Cianna or Bloodstrom or Adamanti its just impossible, well I did try using Cianna, but, ended up with a complete fail. my talent build is completely different from others, its more defensive, its feels, FOR NOW, impossible. I'm at 19M power and still trying to kill it, and I don't think I can kill Mulan either so, it'll be awhile. probably when I reach 25M power. or less I hoped.
I notice, that the strongest players in my Server doesn't need a mage lol. which it hits me. I'm starting to waver lol. but, I'll still continue to play Herdy. =)
Just be resilient and stay focused on your goal.Quote:
Originally Posted by lamodomo_2092870
Once you get Queen Bryn, things will open up for you.
I suggest you recruit General Djehuty. You'll have two Smoulder-types in your lineup then.
Aphrodite is almost unachievable for most but the biggest coiners and players in the game, so i wouldn't count her in any future formation builds.
oh Herdy, I feel your moral support. really appreciate it. but, I keep watching the replay in Mulan. I definitely need Adamanti, bloodstrom, and Cianna to beat her. Its hard to see the light at the end of my tunnel. Oh and I am using Djehuty, it not enough to bring damage lol. I'm at 19M power. and again, I think I'll be able to beat Mulan around 25M power. hopefully with cross fingers haha
Or they could make the defensive talent really effect by boosting their numbers. x2 perhaps?
I cannot imagine beating heroic Minister Lascvious without Blood and a decent stunner. His AoE is doesn't seem to be resisted by much of anything and using multiple AoE people you aren't going to outrace his AoE damage compared with your party health to his health.
Maybe you could get away without a stunner if you have 3 good AoEers and Blood. He, Minister Lasc, does tend to miss quite a bit when down to one target. I don't know, with a mage build I don't think there is anyone that has enough offense to bring his health down fast enough.
Even with Blood and Shayd (before patch stun and hit nerf) I would need 3 stuns with Blood hitting every round to have a good shot of taking him down. I think Tynon is trying to get people away from relying on stuns to deal with bosses, but I am not seeing followers in the range of power I have that I have much hope of beating in Royal Arena that will come anywhere near being as useful at my power level as Shayd was in dealing with bosses. Without Shayd's stun I think a lot of people are going to come to a crashing halt in progressing through the bosses. Which maybe the point as well. Its going to take a long, long time to gear up to the point of simply being able to grind the heroics down on sheer power.
But then we (the players) are usually trying to down heroic mobs more then twice our power, so many of us have been relying on the luck of Shayd's stun and Bloodstorm's hardcore damage. I was about 9 or 10M power first time I took down Minister Lasc, and it took a lot of attempts.
I like Smoulder caurse he hit 4-5 every time... not like Adam that only hits 4-5 every 3rd time or so