Please change this game somehow

This game has unlimited potential. Its a great concept in general. But alot of us are getting bored. For me its this
STUNS

Everything comes down to stuns
Nothing you can do will allow you to stun more often. And please dont say add hit rate to shayd. Cianna stuns the same with or without hit rating.
SO once you get so far in HR and Quest, beating a boss all comes down to when and how often you stun. You can attack the same boss 300 times in a row and lose, then suddenly win with out changing anything provided you have shayd and/or cianna in your formation.

How well you place in banish is also based on the pure luck of stunning

How well you do on PvP can often come down to stuns

How well you do in ragnarock can often come down to a stun

How well you do in guildwars if the guilds are equally matched can come down to stuns

So everything is just stun stun stun stun stun stun........

And since stunning is pure randomness/luck this gets old.

SO every single part of thsi game is total luck.
Tavern.runes,PvP,HR,GWF,HP, Ragnarock, Quests, stars, saintings, and banish is all luck. You can only control so much, but after a while its all luck pure and simple.

SO could this game get some kind of improvement that allows us to progress without a luck factor. make stuns more constant, get rid of them, something. Please???

hahaha agreed. I hope they work something out. but. I think that really hard work considering its a lot programming.

There are many factors that are purely luck-based. Others are within your power to control. The more currency you have, the more lucky (over time) you can be, and some activities grant more return for currency (or time) invested than others.

I agree that there are few "crutch" mechanics in this game, and should be more interesting strategy decisions than "this hero stuns so they have to remain in my formation". It would be interesting to have debuffing heroes to reduce an enemy's chance to hit, or reduce their defenses.....essentially, ways to intelligently attack encounters without just relying on one mechanic, but using a combination of mechanics to achieve success.

Klepto great idea

Anything to make it so its not just how many stuns you get

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Originally Posted by mattp169

This game has unlimited potential. Its a great concept in general. But alot of us are getting bored. For me its this
STUNS

Everything comes down to stuns
Nothing you can do will allow you to stun more often. And please dont say add hit rate to shayd. Cianna stuns the same with or without hit rating.
SO once you get so far in HR and Quest, beating a boss all comes down to when and how often you stun. You can attack the same boss 300 times in a row and lose, then suddenly win with out changing anything provided you have shayd and/or cianna in your formation.

How well you place in banish is also based on the pure luck of stunning

How well you do on PvP can often come down to stuns

How well you do in ragnarock can often come down to a stun

How well you do in guildwars if the guilds are equally matched can come down to stuns

So everything is just stun stun stun stun stun stun........

And since stunning is pure randomness/luck this gets old.

SO every single part of thsi game is total luck.
Tavern.runes,PvP,HR,GWF,HP, Ragnarock, Quests, stars, saintings, and banish is all luck. You can only control so much, but after a while its all luck pure and simple.

SO could this game get some kind of improvement that allows us to progress without a luck factor. make stuns more constant, get rid of them, something. Please???

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Want relief? Hop on the bandwagon: Server Surfing.

Ride the wave!

Cheaper.

Leaner.

Endless. Variety in perpetuity.

We're rolling towards 100. Don't be left behind.

I agree, Matt. I'm bored out of my mind. I mean, can't they just release ONE hero or something? Just gimme something to get bored of again in 2 weeks. Pretty soon, if this keeps going this way, your going to have to classify your servers as "Advanced" or "Intermediate" because your going to have to keep adding things to older servers to keep players happy and consumed. Stuff that new players cannot handle. Seriously though, give us a new hero or two! BloodStorms New hero smell has worn off, quests are finished or too bloated to bother with and several of the bigger players are walking away, looking for other games to give them headaches.
I know that when we keep asking for new stuff it prolly sounds like kids asking "Are we there yet?.... Are we there yet?..... Are we there yet?"
It's because people are bored silly, but loyal to this game, invested in this game and asking for another reason to keep spending and playing. Throw us a bone.

EDIT: Stunning is getting old.

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Originally Posted by Deucalion

I agree, Matt. I'm bored out of my mind. I mean, can't they just release ONE hero or something? Just gimme something to get bored of again in 2 weeks. Pretty soon, if this keeps going this way, your going to have to classify your servers as "Advanced" or "Intermediate" because your going to have to keep adding things to older servers to keep players happy and consumed. Stuff that new players cannot handle. Seriously though, give us a new hero or two! BloodStorms New hero smell has worn off, quests are finished or too bloated to bother with and several of the bigger players are walking away, looking for other games to give them headaches.
I know that when we keep asking for new stuff it prolly sounds like kids asking "Are we there yet?.... Are we there yet?..... Are we there yet?"
It's because people are bored silly, but loyal to this game, invested in this game and asking for another reason to keep spending and playing. Throw us a bone.

EDIT: Stunning is getting old.

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Turn the new servers into your own expansion pack. Last challenge was "The Guild." Take a few friends, no coining just beginning rewards. Divide between realms. Who's on top in a week.

Next Challenge: King of the Hill. Same concept: no coining. Same realm, 1 arena. Who will be standing?

Your other character will still be there. You can always go back to focusing on it if something changes, but Server Surfing is actually a good way to enjoy the Tynon world without being bored, or continuing to dump money into a bottomless well if you're perceiving the returns aren't equal to the investment.

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Originally Posted by xxdannisouthxx_7889427

Turn the new servers into your own expansion pack. Last challenge was "The Guild." Take a few friends, no coining just beginning rewards. Divide between realms. Who's on top in a week.

Next Challenge: King of the Hill. Same concept: no coining. Same realm, 1 arena. Who will be standing?

Your other character will still be there. You can always go back to focusing on it if something changes, but Server Surfing is actually a good way to enjoy the Tynon world without being bored, or continuing to dump money into a bottomless well if you're perceiving the returns aren't equal to the investment.

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What would be the point? Unless tehy change teh way the game is setup it would all be random

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What would be the point? Unless tehy change teh way the game is setup it would all be random

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Yes, but the challenge is whether you understand the mechanics of the game enough to use the cards you're dealt starting from zero. You only have limited resources, so you have to choose your investment strategy wisely. In fact, everyone's resource possibilities are equal. In the earlier stages, the randomness has much less of an impact. No one has stuns. No one can coin their way to a set full of level 10 runes in a hour.

Parity at an advanced stage can only be overcome with a cash infusion, which by that point you've already reached the apex of the realm/server and it's sliding down the curve. If you're in the uber guild you can just milk the city buffs. If the next person ahead of you in arena can just amp up by blowing a few hundred gems on talents every time you nip at their heels there's only so much skill even counts for. The new servers are actually quite busy for at least a few days, and the competition is stiffer.

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Originally Posted by xxdannisouthxx_7889427

Yes, but the challenge is whether you understand the mechanics of the game enough to use the cards you're dealt starting from zero. You only have limited resources, so you have to choose your investment strategy wisely. In fact, everyone's resource possibilities are equal. In the earlier stages, the randomness has much less of an impact. No one has stuns. No one can coin their way to a set full of level 10 runes in a hour.

Parity at an advanced stage can only be overcome with a cash infusion, which by that point you've already reached the apex of the realm/server and it's sliding down the curve. If you're in the uber guild you can just milk the city buffs. If the next person ahead of you in arena can just amp up by blowing a few hundred gems on talents every time you nip at their heels there's only so much skill even counts for. The new servers are actually quite busy for at least a few days, and the competition is stiffer.

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you obviously do not understand my issue so please stop commenting on it

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Originally Posted by mattp169

you obviously do not understand my issue so please stop commenting on it

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I do understand your issue. I was throwing out one way that some of us are beating the boredom. You don't have to do it, obviously Realistically there's a low chance that something as drastic as you originally suggest like negating stuns would ever occur, so the choice is to keep beating your head on the wall and expecting a different result, or find another way to enjoy the game.

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Originally Posted by xxdannisouthxx_7889427

I do understand your issue. I was throwing out one way that some of us are beating the boredom. You don't have to do it, obviously Realistically there's a low chance that something as drastic as you originally suggest like negating stuns would ever occur, so the choice is to keep beating your head on the wall and expecting a different result, or find another way to enjoy the game.

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I see what your saying, and I can see how it would interest some players. My wife, for instance, enjoys the initial building and playing of accounts, not playing for months and months. I'm the direct opposite. I enjoy a game where I can play and build upon something for several months, if not years. Evony stopped introducing new "stuff", so I eventually grew bored of it, but it took 3 years lol
I'm hoping Tynon is the game that never stops, keeps adding new features and hopefully gets away from this whole chance/luck system, and more towards skill and effort. Hey, all I'm asking for right now is a new hero... ;)

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Originally Posted by Deucalion

I see what your saying, and I can see how it would interest some players. My wife, for instance, enjoys the initial building and playing of accounts, not playing for months and months. I'm the direct opposite. I enjoy a game where I can play and build upon something for several months, if not years. Evony stopped introducing new "stuff", so I eventually grew bored of it, but it took 3 years lol
I'm hoping Tynon is the game that never stops, keeps adding new features and hopefully gets away from this whole chance/luck system, and more towards skill and effort. Hey, all I'm asking for right now is a new hero... ;)

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Yeah, for our little gunslingers 'n gamers group the love is really the PVP aspect. Small unit tactics, formations, backroom alliances with backstabbing intent and general chaos. I like the building and customization here, though the luck aspect of everything throws a wrench into the skill side. Personally my issue is I hit a wall where doing the math on what it would cost me to stay on top of the curve is getting a bit absurd for my tastes. Such as blowing 300 gems on sainting insurance, because I failed 3 times in a row with a 60% chance of success in a latest bloodstorm update. I'd rather the customization was simply at cost: saint card = x amount of creds/gems/whatever. The higher it goes the more bait-and-switch it starts to feel to me.

Like the OP here: stuns. I'd rather they were a known quantity, such as Shayd stuns 100% of the time yet only attacks every 2 or 3 rounds. You can plan a strategy around that, and formation choice and attack order would play more of a role if it wasn't a drunken gamble.

Or different sorts of group modifiers, linked spells, or something else by changing which heros are in formation together. Like maybe a blue mage with Shayd casts a stronger spell together, or Shayd in combination with an archer main makes it shoot a flaming arrow. Or having three horses in the front line does a lancer charge, or Safi front center with two mages behind stretches Shield Wall across the whole front. Or you can choose whether to autofight a battle or manual control and time your skill abilities a'la flash games like Doom Forge, so battles are interactive...I dunno...something , so ones like Valla might still have a purpose and not just be a complete waste of creds. And just more options in customization. As it is everyone ends up with the same heros, with minor differences in base stats and buffs. This creates PVP battles where the end result is just who got the luckier role.

Just sitting in HR and just clicking the button over and over until I finally get that dice roll my stats tell me I'm capable of just gets overly repetitive for my tastes.

The only other currency is time, and just going with daily rewards it would take weeks to get where I want to be. Assuming it goes according to plan, which it never does. I prefer luck in things like rare item drops such as you see on games like Rift, or being able to invest in your own skill tree to customize the output on abilities.

I love Tynon because it's easy and user friendly. As a noob to the UCool universe it just took awhile to turn the system to an advantage, but definitely happier with the results at this point, and enjoying it for what it is, and likely will continue to be based on conversations with past Evonites.

Love how no one has mentioned the labyrinth up to this point because you do have a certain amount of control over it despite the randomness of it. Though I wouldn't mind a purple mage or something to spice up other parts of the game.

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Originally Posted by Deucalion

I see what your saying, and I can see how it would interest some players. My wife, for instance, enjoys the initial building and playing of accounts, not playing for months and months. I'm the direct opposite. I enjoy a game where I can play and build upon something for several months, if not years. Evony stopped introducing new "stuff", so I eventually grew bored of it, but it took 3 years lol
I'm hoping Tynon is the game that never stops, keeps adding new features and hopefully gets away from this whole chance/luck system, and more towards skill and effort. Hey, all I'm asking for right now is a new hero... ;)

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Im right there with you on that one Deuc... it took me a good long time to grow tired of evony (3 1/2 years) but it was more so the people in that game that kept me there... The battle mechanic was good enough so that we found new ways to attack in the same old limited forms and especially the month long battles... so many variables. Stuns being the multiplier in EVERY situation really just throws the skill factor out the window to where all you need to know is run cianna and shayd and level your runes... theres not any strategy to it in the long run. I shouldnt be able to beat Matt, because of our power difference, yet i can manipulate form and take 2nd in arena from time to time... same with Skyia... Stuns are too much of a mainstream mechanism and can be exploited to close the power gap where it shouldn't be happening. 5 Heores per battle only gives you so much you can do... I'd love to see something more epic... say REALM WARS... to where each realm fights with ALL members of the realm, not just limited to the guild, OR a free for all... 300 people on each side duking it out could make for some epic warfare with the right motivation and stakes a hand... ;)

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Originally Posted by Revan

Love how no one has mentioned the labyrinth up to this point because you do have a certain amount of control over it despite the randomness of it. Though I wouldn't mind a purple mage or something to spice up other parts of the game.

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yeah a purple mage that can remove morale would be nice, or purple mage that can hit one straight row. or poison effect could do it. I don't know they should me a purple mage!!!

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Originally Posted by Revan

Love how no one has mentioned the labyrinth up to this point because you do have a certain amount of control over it despite the randomness of it. Though I wouldn't mind a purple mage or something to spice up other parts of the game.

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Ok lets talk lab

SO you have the sorcerer stones which unless you are playing a level that is above you ability, is a useless random bonus or punishment
teleport - most random thing in the world - hey lets step on one of those and maybe get sent to the boss
destiny- 110% random - which can determine how well you score. Making 800+ scores random not skill
monster vs trap random and determines your score
transformation - random
What you get on a flip - random - I have scored over 100 700+ scores and only flipped 2 spirit plans. Most of the time I get chips - which because of the unembed costs and the fact they go all the way to level 15, an almost unattainable level, are completely useless.
So when you use skill to achieve something, you are not rewarded well for your hard work.

While i would admit the lab is where you can employ the most skill element in the game, it still purely luck/random
It is also very tedious and boring and takes too long. I used to love doing labs, now they are a chore

Oh and I forgot about the randomness of drop rates as well.
Theres no reason 1 person should fight an hr boss 20 times and get 5 relic plans and the next 5 people can fight it 50 times each and get 2 relic plans per person.

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Originally Posted by mattp169

Ok lets talk lab

SO you have the sorcerer stones which unless you are playing a level that is above you ability, is a useless random bonus or punishment
teleport - most random thing in the world - hey lets step on one of those and maybe get sent to the boss
destiny- 110% random - which can determine how well you score. Making 800+ scores random not skill
monster vs trap random and determines your score
transformation - random
What you get on a flip - random - I have scored over 100 700+ scores and only flipped 2 spirit plans. Most of the time I get chips - which because of the unembed costs and the fact they go all the way to level 15, an almost unattainable level, are completely useless.
So when you use skill to achieve something, you are not rewarded well for your hard work.

While i would admit the lab is where you can employ the most skill element in the game, it still purely luck/random
It is also very tedious and boring and takes too long. I used to love doing labs, now they are a chore

Oh and I forgot about the randomness of drop rates as well.
Theres no reason 1 person should fight an hr boss 20 times and get 5 relic plans and the next 5 people can fight it 50 times each and get 2 relic plans per person.

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lol totally. I dread having to go in there for daily points.