Heaven's Palace question

I agree, Wildflower.

Well if you guys have reported this to billing support and they've said its not a bug, then kudos to those who took the time to figure this out.

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Originally Posted by Revan

Well if you guys have reported this to billing support and they've said its not a bug, then kudos to those who took the time to figure this out.

I may be wrong but I do believe that credit for this goes to the late, great Ziduja from server 7! Unfortunately he left the game like many others ALREADY.

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Originally Posted by WhoreChild

That is based on the assumption that we know in detail what was intended in the palace. It being a late addition to the game I am sure this information cannot be found in the terms of use. Hence not a clear violation of any posted regulations and becomes your ideals versus my ideals. And that is no basis for either one's argument on the matter.

Heaven's Palace has been here since beta....and that was before the live game was launched.

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Originally Posted by Andy

Since the developers do not tell us what the intent of the game is there can not be any exploit because of "using a mechanic how not unintended for" since we do not know what that is. As far as a glitch, this is not the case. It is simply that the players figured out how the game selects the formations for HP. So based on your definition of Exploit, it is not an exploit.

I don't think the intention was for us to drop to 1 hero formations for the Palace to 'make it easier'. The whole idea was for the rest of the server to take on the top two players in each realm and challenge them with increasing difficulty. The very reason Tynon won't tell us is so that we won't 'fix the Palace'.

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Originally Posted by Wildflower

Quoting Dawn on this on discussing what is an exploit in another thread:

The rule (pertaining to this issue) is simple: If you find a bug, report it. If you exploit the bug for personal gain, then you may well be hit with consequences, because we're trying to keep the game fair for the people who aren't exploiting bugs.

I will address in general terms what you've stated.

We are indeed "on the hook" for bugs, and we work to fix them. However, we don't always know about every bug. If a player is exploiting a bug instead of reporting it, then they are also "on the hook" for their actions. The penalty must be more severe than the benefit, or players will be incentivized to exploit bugs, rather than report them. We want to discourage such behavior.
100 Coins and 1,000,000,000 Coins are not the same. One billion coins can alter the balance of the server. 100 coins won't. This is what constitutes a major violation. Even so, a single violation is not enough to warrant a ban. Multiple violations are required for a ban. Think on that.
What altered the balance of the server was the exploit. If the player had not exploited, he or she would not be in the top tier of the server. By removing the exploiter, we are restoring the server balance. Additionally, if a player chooses to exploit, then they are knowingly taking the risk that they will be caught and suspended or banned. Those consequences are on the exploiter. If the person did not exploit, there would be no consequences.

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d. Use cheats, exploits, automation software, bots, hacks, mods or any unauthorized third-party software designed to modify or interfere with the Tynon experience or use any unauthorized third-party software that intercepts, "mines", or otherwise collects information from or through the Game or the Service, including without limitation any software that reads areas used by the Game to store information about a character or the game environment;

You may not perform any acts that we consider to be damaging to Tynon. While we try to be as lenient as possible, and take in consideration many mitigating circumstances, the reoccurring offensive trends listed above have led to the closure permanently.

I see nothing in here about finding out how things work and using that to benifit an entire server. It is not a bug or a glitch.
A bug or glitch is something that is faulty and working in the disadvantage of tynon. How they take the formation was done how they intended.
I doubt they didn't know players would find out how it is done. I give them more credit than that.
Maybe they didn't think a server would work together and perhaps they will now change how it is done..

Dawn speaks about imbalancing the server and one player growing considerably in regards to the rest. This is not what happens in this case.
Being smart and observant cannot be seen as taking advantage of a bug especially when it isn't a bug/glitch.
In my view doing it amounts to the same as not boosting in Ragnarok (or not participating) to let others win, not participating in Cerb/Ball to let others win etc.
Is that too an exploit? Where does it end?

We see how it works and then decide whether or not we wish to participate and how. But again, just a viewpoint like many others.

I agree it's a viewpoint Wildflower and don't believe they will punish anyone either. The quote you have used there refers to a past player overusing the revenge glitch to the point Tynon closed their account. That player had caused a massive imbalance on their server which lead to Tynon taking action. In this issue they will patch it to prevent us from nobbling the Palace in future-that's all, unless some has really gained from it.

Thw other examples refer to intended, boosting for WBS and Rag to increase your strength and chances or winning better rewards, there is a boost option on the HP by the way which means the same thing :). We know it was intended because the devs put the button there.

When it comes down to it, it's your own common sense, if it doesn't look like it was intended then it wasn't.

I've cleaned this thread up, anymore personal remarks in this thread will result in it being closed. I decide who's the trolls, not you guys.

I only have one thing to say. After all this has been said up to now and lots of posts of course are missing.

Apparently I knew what I was talking about.

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Wow.. this thread took a turn since i last read it. o.O But i came on to say my form was chosen last nite past 10pm, as i was not in the form Palace chose prior to that. So the theory of Thurs nite to Cerb was incorrect. I have never seen anyone in 1 hero form on our server. I guess every server has it's own interpretation based on their experience.

Now heres a thought.

How dumb do you think the dev's think we are?

I am pretty sure they know we are smart.
Because the simplest solution to making HP statues easy is something some already do and something we do for many other reasons.
The 2 most powerful can just step down from 1 and 2 and let weaker players take those spots.

Now if people are doing that how can that be called an exploit? I dont think that can be called an exploit. SO if that is not an exploit, figuring out the timing of Hp statue captures and making your formation be 1 hero is not exploiting anything either, because your accomplishing the same thing just in a different way.

I am pretty sure the devs have kept quiet on this issue because they did not want to make it easy to manipulate HP statues, but knew it would happen eventually. And in the mean time it would give them time to come up with different code to make manipulating HP statues harder or impossible.

Once again I think this will be like last hit in banish. Something unintended but not an exploit nor anything anyone will get punished for later.

I have a question for the moderators. If I start a tread to gather the experiences of the people as far as when the formation is captured would that be considered attempting to exploit or an effort to understand how the game works that the developers encourage us to do?

Is there a heavens palace on the first week of a new server?

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Originally Posted by IronMaiden43_4789994

Is there a heavens palace on the first week of a new server?

no i think it starts the third week but amy be the second