Does anyone know FOR SURE what time the formations, power, and rank are taken into effect on CST servers? I've looked around the forum, and I all see is speculation on what times. Does anyone actually on the Tynon staff have an answer for this?
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Does anyone know FOR SURE what time the formations, power, and rank are taken into effect on CST servers? I've looked around the forum, and I all see is speculation on what times. Does anyone actually on the Tynon staff have an answer for this?
All anyone can give is speculation. However, anytime up until 11.30pm Friday night servertime seems to be when the two statues from each realm is selected. Whatever form you use to acquire the top spots in the arena is the one that appears in Heavens Palace.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyberneticdeath_1547075
The formation is based on what you had when you took the rank.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyberneticdeath_1547075
The following does not apply to someone already in the 1st or 2nd spot.
After reset thursday night(12am friday morning), but before cerberus fight. If the people in top spots will drop there heroes to one someone from a lower position can take their spots with anything from 1 to 5 heroes in their party. When this is done and that position is taken whether its just your leader, 2 heroes, 3, up to 5. That is your formation for Heaven's palace the next day. This being that no one else takes the spot away from you.
This does not work for someone in 2nd moving to 1st as their position was calculated when they took the 2nd spot.
Now thats been announced as to how to decide what the server will face. Tynon will probably change it. But until then it's nice having whole weekends where you only face 1 or 2 fights with a full set of heroes and the rest just being the leader.
I wonder if what Senile says is true. I know people have tried to use less heroes in order to allow people a better chance of going to higher levels, such as gold and platinum, but Tynon has used an old form, and not allowed that. And i'm not sure the time is before Cerb, nor am i convinced its the 1st and 2nd place in arena that determines who goes. It appears to me to be the highest and 2nd on the realm, regardless of position. I know this because i held 2nd spot from midnight on, thru cerb and not until around 8pm, for like 3 mins someone higher power than me took my spot, but then left realm and still took the palace spot. I had it held all day but for those few minutes. So it remains a mystery to me.
it is by arena ranking. I am technically 4th highest power in realm but get in hp because i am 2nd place in arena
unless someone else tales 2nd
But what the above posts means is this
WHen ever you take 2nd or 1st place
doesnt matter if its on Monday
When you take 1st or 2nd
that is the form that will be used for HP
generally on our server unless someone screws up or isn't online to downrank themselves, we normally face 5-8 statues with leader only.The others being either full party or a party of leader and one other hero.
Thats using the info i posted above.
It is the formation with which the rank is taken. The time this has to happen is before 10.30 pm ish server time. To be safe it is good to do it earlier since it takes some doing.
Each time a player in position 1 or 2 fights for a stake, the formation is reset, even if he wins. This makes it seem like they take older formations.
Garanteed that if rank 1 and 2 are taken with only the main in there and they don't attack others for stakes or get attacked, you will have only mains in heaven palace.
Very important is that when they are attacked and win, the formation gets reset too, so you could say that every time there is a contest about the rank, it re calculates the winner and puts the formation of that moment in.
I have personally experimented with the time frame and up till 10.30 ish is the best I can give you. I once did a change after 11.15 pm and it did not stick.
I'm sorry to inform you all that- Everyone is wrong.Lol.
No one knows how is done- Expect for the devs.
Why? Simple- Because Tynon don't want people trying to game the system and how it works.
I do know is randomly selected and you won't know when or how it will happen.
Yes, Boroeast - i believe you. I know from watching many weeks and months, on Blaze anyway, some of the above speculations don't apply. So i go with - we only speculate, Dev's do it how they do it. Thank you for clarifying.
There are basically four possibilities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boroeast
- There is a set time the snapshot is taken.
- There is a certain event, perhaps combined with a time, that causes the snapshot to be taken.
- The snapshot is taken based on a parameter that is either randomly chosen or configured (or a time range).
- The snapshot is manually run by a developer/DBA which is "random enough".
This is not correct Boreast.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boroeast
Best to believe those who have actively tried and seen what works.
It can most definitely be controlled untill they change that.
Only unclear thing at this time is the time when they take the ranks.
Seems you and Morgan disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Morgan le Fay
Have you tried it Boreast?
Until then; Who is running their mouth really?
But perhaps confusion about it is the best way to go.
I actually spoke with Dawn and is NOT how it works. You're all wrong, by the hence of proof by the dev.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wildflower
In other words, I'm speaking with proof. Not post to post.
Boroeast, on server 7, they are able to put statues in the Heaven's Palace with only 1 hero in them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boroeast
Might be something that the devs would want to look into.
Herby i stated clearly how it was done. 1 hero in formation take the top 2 spots before 10 am. this cannot be someone already in the top 2 spots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herby
Even though thats been going on since the 5th or 6th week since it opened on 7. After a player, who since then quit, finally ironed out what set the formation (taking the positions of 1 and 2) Verified by dawn and then hammering out a cutoff time to do it in. Thus the 10 am comment.
Toodles:cool:
I've seen it myself on server 7's Heaven Palace.Quote:
Originally Posted by Senile
But I do believe it is a bug or glitch that needs to be fixed.
Herby i only play on 7 under the same name as i'm posting. I know exactly what i'm talking about. But you saw my comments earlier in this thread. If it isn't supposed to be that way then they need to patch it. I think i stated that clearly enough. And week before last was nice only 2 people in palace with 5 heroes in party the rest being single hero statues. I actually got 100 for once.
I think that being able to control HP formation actually helps to encourage realms to work together. There are very few things that encourage this in Tynon, so it's nice to see that there's one. :)
My statement is based on what I observed on server 4. It's important to remember that I am not a Tynon employee so I can only offer my point of view as a player. Statues seem to be fixed anytime during the week right up until reset on Friday night. I tend to agree the timing is a bit ambigous but 9/10 it works.Quote:
Originally Posted by Senile
Boro has spoken to Dawn about this issue and Dawn has told him that Tynon will not inform anyone on how the statues are selected for HP. He's only passing on what he's been told so go easy on him, ok guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boroeast
Possibly, since technically it's an exploit. However that said many see it as a way of giving the smaller players the opportunity to advance further in Palace then they would have with full formation statues.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herby
I suppose this can be looked at both ways.
@BigPapa, I deleted your posts for flaming. You may disagree with what Boro has said (that's fine) but being disrespectful to a mod or another user isn't tolerated.
Morgan, I don't think that's how the devs envisioned Heaven's Palace to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Morgan le Fay
If Heaven's Palace were full of 1 hero formations, what would be the point of it all. It would just be free cards and medals for everyone. There would be no challenge at all.
I also said this could be looked both ways. It's perfectly obvious that this is not what the devs envisioned, but others see it as an opportunity to gain more rewards than they would otherwise normally. And it's this I'm afraid guys makes it an exploit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herby
Now we see the violence inherent in the system! ;)
I don't see it as an exploit, though I can see how you might say that. As it is, we have one player who can throw everyone off. Her being at full power makes the difference between me getting to the silver palace and getting through the whole thing. If it's as intended, I probably wouldn't bother to boost because it's harder to boost in HP than in WB and I wouldn't ever make my money back. One version might be too easy, but the other version is too hard and benefits the larger players in a way that creates a larger imbalance.
Yes that is true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Morgan le Fay
This thread defiantly went into the wrong discussion. Me and other members connotation wasn't perhaps, appropriate. We all get carry away at times. I apologize.
I have deleted and cleaned this thread.
Now
If it is an exploit setting it so all the statues or at least the toughest ones are 1 hero formations etc,
And since those setting the 1 hero formations are probbaly not the ones who need this done, but some may
Who is doing the exploiting the people setting their Hp statue formation to 1 hero
or the people who go through HP knowing that the statues are 1 hero formation and probably dont need to boost and running through to 80,90, 100?
I look at it this way,
What is Dawnseeker fond of saying? Something about Its more fun to figure it out yourself.
Well some people figured it out, and its more fun for us. They just did what dawn said to do.
Help! Papa is being repressed!
You can look at it however you wish. Papa is posting a major point in that the full formation alternative to Heaven Palace would achieve nothing but imbalancing the server so the rich get richer and the poor slip further behind. In the spirit of competition it is not about beating up statues. It is so the same three people dont rake in the benefits all by themselves every weekend to pull further and further ahead of you from a competitive stand point the other five days of the week. I feel as I have not cheated or exploited anything in being reasonable when i make my appearances in the statues. The full formation alternative surely won't see players boosting to participate. It is bad for business in my honest opinion to not keep this game exciting for the little boys and girls who would only dream of beating Senile, Papa, Untamed, or myself any other time. This is not such a bad thing.
Boroeast, cheers. :)
I agree with WhoreChild...nice sig, btw.
"We are all Britons. And Boro is our king."
"Well I didn't vote for you"
Is using the game mechanics seen as a cheat or exploit? I thought it was just smart and observant.
This particular one discussed here benefits all, not just one.
In fact it is absolutely done for the greater good since the ones to do it don't really need to.
They can finish without the adjustment. Also, one can drop in arena when one wants.
This way the whole server does the event and boosts, which in the end will also mean more income for Tynon.
In my view - but just me ofcourse - it actually makes the game and server more balanced since this way (almost) all players get acces to the rewards.
Not just the high powered ones so it bridges the gap between big and small somewhat. I feel it imperative to make sure the smaller powered also have a fun game to participate in.
They are part of the server and already get a raw deal, get bored and leave.
Most games I know have areas where the players can go and are at the same level.
I feel this is what palace gives when the game mechanics are smartly used to have different formations up.
I would say it is exactly what the devs wanted - Think, be smart and make the most out of this game without cheating.
But again, just my view. :)
Kudos to Wildflower
Y'all not going to like what I'm about to say. As much as you all reckon it's a good thing it's still an exploit.
An exploit by defination is using a mechanic how not unintended for or/and glitch in the code to profit or/and gain an advantage. In this case both.
Everyone gains you might argue but it doesn't change the fact this isn't how Heaven's Palace was intended. We have found a way to bend the mechanics to make it easier and gain rewards we wouldn't have been able to had it been done properly. And this folks is exploiting.
I also suspect it will be changed soon so this won't happen again.
That's a shame. Nearly all mechanics in this game serve to drive a larger wedge between those on top and those on bottom. Even those of us who work hard at this game find that we get left in the dust by a few players, which is not something I typically complain about.
However, if our 40mil power player is the only one who can make it through HP, then they continue to receive an advantage that might be earned, but is unfair. When she is in the Palace, as I suspect she will be this weekend, I make it to the 4th level if I power all the way up. That doesn't even get me back the credits that it takes to boost. She makes it to 99, gaining a CRAPLOAD of loot not available to us. What we've done is find a way to level the playing field for the entire server. It's true that it's probably not what the devs intended, but it's not like the devs take much time to tell us what they DO intend, y'all leave us to guess. There are 5 players on our server who can make it to the upper levels of our HP with our 40mil player there, they're the 5 that get the other bonuses as well.
Like I said, I'm not generally one to cry foul with regards to the few who are able to make large achievements because they've certainly earned them, but the rewards for players not in the very top tier are so small as to be laughable, and THAT is the imbalance I do complain about.
There are severe flaws in this game. While it's fun, this doesn't bode well for maintaining my long-term interest because time and time again, the things that are fun and interesting are nerfed to be less so, and the things that we all complain about as being unnecessarily draconian (100gems to remove lvl4 chips, 200gems to summon a runekeeper, etc etc etc) are left in place.
It's fine, nerf it, but don't be surprised when fewer of us are around to "appreciate" it.
That is based on the assumption that we know in detail what was intended in the palace. It being a late addition to the game I am sure this information cannot be found in the terms of use. Hence not a clear violation of any posted regulations and becomes your ideals versus my ideals. And that is no basis for either one's argument on the matter.
Making the palace as difficult as you possibly can is going to drive players away. Fact.
Making the palace as difficult as you possibly can further sways the balance of power in a given server. Fact.
Making the palace as difficult as you possibly can is going to hurt business. And in the end this is a business. Is it not? A lucrative one at that. Until you let all of these players walk out the door. You will eventually stop tricking them into starting over every three days with new servers. Evony age 1 is long dead as a result of similar support issues.
Life is unfair, why should Tynon be otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigPapa
The point of a game is to be challenging and fun.
Reward those who have invested a lot.
The game's not here to give everyone freebies.
Exploit is exploit no matter how hard you argue.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoreChild
Herby, "life's unfair" isn't a valid argument. Sorry bud.
How about:Quote:
Originally Posted by BigPapa
"Exploit is exploit no matter how hard you argue."
I don't agree that this is an exploit.
WhoreChild, don't call Herby a troll. Just because he lives under a bridge and likes to eat passing goats doesn't mean he's a troll...
Since the developers do not tell us what the intent of the game is there can not be any exploit because of "using a mechanic how not unintended for" since we do not know what that is. As far as a glitch, this is not the case. It is simply that the players figured out how the game selects the formations for HP. So based on your definition of Exploit, it is not an exploit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Morgan le Fay
I totally agree this is not an exploit in any way shape or form. WHY.
1. its the same as sitting on shore and powering down, letting some low level player who you would normally not be allowed to attack, take your map, and revenge them later
2. its the same concept as powering down and arena and moving down in the ranks to farm smaller players.
3. Dawnseeker has repeatedly stated that Tynon team wants us to figure things out, so we did. If they didn't intend it to be this way they need to change it. Just like last hit on WB. We igured out teh timing so the same people could always get it, they did not call this an exploit, they just said this is not how it was intended and changed it.
4. Noone from Tynon team has informed the players that manipulating the power of the statues is not what they intended.
5. If the team wanted it to be the most powerful 2 members of the realm, they would ignore arena, and use an algorithm to calculate the 2 strongest players and set it based on their algorithm of how to make each of those two players forms be the strongest
SO its not an exploit. It may not be what the Tynon Team intended, but that does not make it an exploit.
Depends on your perspectiveQuote:
Originally Posted by Herby
I agree, for all involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herby
What is an investment, what is investing a lot, all open for discussion and again, depends on perspectiveQuote:
Originally Posted by Herby
Define freebieQuote:
Originally Posted by Herby
Quoting Dawn on this on discussing what is an exploit in another thread:Quote:
Originally Posted by Herby
The rule (pertaining to this issue) is simple: If you find a bug, report it. If you exploit the bug for personal gain, then you may well be hit with consequences, because we're trying to keep the game fair for the people who aren't exploiting bugs.
I will address in general terms what you've stated.
We are indeed "on the hook" for bugs, and we work to fix them. However, we don't always know about every bug. If a player is exploiting a bug instead of reporting it, then they are also "on the hook" for their actions. The penalty must be more severe than the benefit, or players will be incentivized to exploit bugs, rather than report them. We want to discourage such behavior.
100 Coins and 1,000,000,000 Coins are not the same. One billion coins can alter the balance of the server. 100 coins won't. This is what constitutes a major violation. Even so, a single violation is not enough to warrant a ban. Multiple violations are required for a ban. Think on that.
What altered the balance of the server was the exploit. If the player had not exploited, he or she would not be in the top tier of the server. By removing the exploiter, we are restoring the server balance. Additionally, if a player chooses to exploit, then they are knowingly taking the risk that they will be caught and suspended or banned. Those consequences are on the exploiter. If the person did not exploit, there would be no consequences.
CHEATS AND HACKS - You agree that you will not, under any circumstances:
d. Use cheats, exploits, automation software, bots, hacks, mods or any unauthorized third-party software designed to modify or interfere with the Tynon experience or use any unauthorized third-party software that intercepts, "mines", or otherwise collects information from or through the Game or the Service, including without limitation any software that reads areas used by the Game to store information about a character or the game environment;
You may not perform any acts that we consider to be damaging to Tynon. While we try to be as lenient as possible, and take in consideration many mitigating circumstances, the reoccurring offensive trends listed above have led to the closure permanently.
I see nothing in here about finding out how things work and using that to benifit an entire server. It is not a bug or a glitch.
A bug or glitch is something that is faulty and working in the disadvantage of tynon. How they take the formation was done how they intended.
I doubt they didn't know players would find out how it is done. I give them more credit than that.
Maybe they didn't think a server would work together and perhaps they will now change how it is done..
Dawn speaks about imbalancing the server and one player growing considerably in regards to the rest. This is not what happens in this case.
Being smart and observant cannot be seen as taking advantage of a bug especially when it isn't a bug/glitch.
In my view doing it amounts to the same as not boosting in Ragnarok (or not participating) to let others win, not participating in Cerb/Ball to let others win etc.
Is that too an exploit? Where does it end?
We see how it works and then decide whether or not we wish to participate and how. But again, just a viewpoint like many others.