please dont get me started again... i send about 50 screens.. of someone cheating.. 100% sure.. nothing is done and thats coz there vip or maybe coz support just totally dont care..Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy
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please dont get me started again... i send about 50 screens.. of someone cheating.. 100% sure.. nothing is done and thats coz there vip or maybe coz support just totally dont care..Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy
You're wrong. Tynon does care. Tynon have ban VIP players and very big players from in game.Quote:
Originally Posted by king_of_ages_681961
You just don't know what happens to ten since we can't tell you but most of the time they'll get a warning sent to their email and then if it happens again the user will get ban.
Please do not speak from just your opinions ,as you have no proof.
Thank you.
Boro
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Originally Posted by king_of_ages_681961
I think the cheating matter is a separate issue, honestly. Not that I don't sympathize completely. And Tynon will wave Kyleena in your face to prove they "handle cheaters".
People with tawdry names might be amusing to some. Obviously it's amusing to at least one person. My reports haven't been centered on people with naughty names, but rather, people making threats, sending patently obscene messages, refusing to stop when asked, making alts to circumvent blocks, harassing and stalking other members and so forth. In these matters, unfortunately, the servers themselves must act as their own police force and use a combination of peer pressure, blocking and ostracizing to get the offenders to go away.
I think it will be interesting when Tynon is brought to court as an accomplice to cyber bullying since many US states as well as other countries now have laws in place to try and deal with it. It is obviously critical for online companies to protect the privacy of their patrons. It is becoming more and more necessary to put things in place to protect online participants from harassment. Tynon has never indicated that they will take any steps themselves other than to "protect privacy" and I'm sure they have some sort of language in the terms of use that attempts to keep them free from responsibility if anything does happen. However, they would be naive to think that such terms are indisputable. Remember, there are lawyers out there who got every company in America who serves coffee to put 'It's HOT!' on the cup.
I enjoy No Censorship in this game, but that's just me. I don't like when people say all that stuff, but knowing the fact that I can say it back to them and have fun in an immature kinda way for a little while, without being punished is fun.
Will be interesting to see, I think the challenge is establishing whether some kind of preventable injury occurred due to the bullying. A good case to follow is what happens with the current Facebook suicide litigation, where an Italian family is looking at filing a lawsuit against the company for the death of their daughter due to harassment. The complaint there is that multiple reports were sent to Facebook about TOS violations, threats and bullying, which were not acted upon. The main issue here I believe is the involvement of minors. This is not an "adult-only" game, and as such I don't think the free speech argument really applies. We have rules in schools to protect against bullying people in their formative years, and while internet social safety is relatively new it's beginning to take on new prescience in light of such incidents as the above. Particularly in regards to protecting minors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Subliminal
Totally with you on this. On one of the servers I play, there was a person posing as a 12 year old girl, trolling the server and trying to solicit sex among other things. Completely over the top, and in spite of screenshots, etc being sent in said person is still active on the server. His/her tactics have changed, maybe because of a warning, which simply spawned a number of alts with slight variations of the name, who now trolls via PM and the mail system vice realm/world chat. That is one example, but I have seen this person push others to absolute rage, as well as other flameouts that occur because of bullying and trolling. Cheating is indeed a separate issue, but I believe the continued success of alt armies, in direct contradiction to the TOS does set a precedent that the rules tend to be loosely enforced as is. Because of this, I've noticed that bullies and cheaters seem to grow bolder as they weather the threats of being reported, since those kind of people thrive in a vacuum of authority as it is.
Some might say it's hard to figure out where the line is, in a game based on war and conflict. I argue that it's not, and personal attacks and threats of an OOC (out of character) nature constitute bullying. I think we have to keep in mind that this game does attract younger players at times, who lack the maturity and analytic abilities to distance themselves from it, so protection for players should extend far enough to help those who simply can't defend themselves. A full grown adult trolling a chatroom of kids is just hideous. And it is pretty obvious based on emotional reactions and speech patterns who is an adult here and who is not. I don't see how the medium of a game should be looked at any different than any social media, as an MMO will always involve social situations. This is the draw to the genre, for both people seeking fun with others, and internet predators. As it is, the privacy-centric focus seems to provide a shield and opportunities for online predators to thrive. Ultimately this will backfire, unfortunately it may take a serious incident before anything is done about it.
Orca whales in the wild often toy with their prey. Tossing them through the air like Frisbees, jumping out of the water and splashing down on them, using their tails to bat them around. For them it's fun--for the seal trying to escape the torture it's survival.Quote:
Originally Posted by xDcCityx
I think your line of reasoning is why the forums have discussion like this. You may not realize that while you're having fun, the other person might be socially underdeveloped, underage or someone lost and desperate for acceptance who is lashing out at the world for one reason or another.
Good natured "trash talk" between competitive players and guilds is one thing, but I believe this discussion is more about addressing the larger problem of trolling, baiting, obscenity or downright bullying. In that context, I think we all need to be careful of what brand of "immature fun" we engage in, and remember that while it's an online, and hence semi-anonymous medium, no company's TOS, or lack of enforcement thereof, is above the law.
interesting....
I'm a huge proponent of free speech but with that, people MUST understand that it doesn't mean you can say whatever the heck you want without taking ownership of your words. Taking responsibility of your words is absolutely crucial in the concept of free speech working. You want to say something controversial? Go for it. You should not be arrested and incarcerated for having an opinion.
Harassment and bullying aren't matters of free speech. There ARE kids on these servers. And while the ones under 13 are breaking the terms, the ones between 13 and 17 are not. Being a jerk because you won something in the game is a whole different beast than telling someone you're coming to their house with a gun and you're going to blow away everyone. One is being a jerk, but covered by free speech. The other is a threat, whether or not it can come to pass in actuality, and can cause someone to feel like their life is in actual and tangible danger.
The internet is hardly new. People have been making nameless, faceless "anonymous" asses of themselves for decades. Now that more people than ever are able to connect, the problem is certainly not getting any smaller.
I don't think it's reasonable to ask people to plan every word they say and consider every possible reaction someone might have to it. I do think it's very reasonable to ask people to take ownership of their speech and to recognize that the persons reading it may be someone's 13 year old kid.
I think the other thing of some importance is that this current generation of kids seems to have absolutely no concept of what information they should be revealing on chat. I have learned more intimate details about some people on this game than I have ever asked for or ever wanted to know. I wouldn't say it's any sort of mission of mine to correct. I have my own kid learning the ropes of the internet now and there are very strict rules in place about what information she is permitted to share. And if I find she breaks them, she will lose her access. It's just that simple. I have, however, encouraged many of the youngest people on my server to not share their ages, where they live, where they go to school and so forth. And I'm terribly disappointed that I seem to be the first person telling them that. I even told a young lady yesterday, after she was saying on realm she wanted to call me on the phone (knowing I am an adult and she is a child) that I didn't think it was safe for her to share those details with anyone in the game, that I was thankful for her trust but for all she knew, I could be a 100 year old creepy little man. She said that scared her a bit. I told her it should :P
So yes, kids need to be more careful with what they share in order to prevent something tragic. But knowing that they're not, I do personally feel some sense of responsibility to help them learn what's ok without being over the top about it.