"Money Back Guarantee"

A COMMENT FOR EVERYONE ELSE FIRST: "While Tynon is still in Beta, it is "unfair" to have good people paying good money for Gems, which the defective software will rob them of what they have accomplished later on, in so many different ways." These good-hearted people who spend hundreds of dollars to enjoy the game... (With all that is within good Legal Reasoning)... "That these people deserve to have their money refunded while the Beta Phase of Tynon development is effectively robbing them of what they paid for." (Provided, that they have a way to prove it.) If Tynon keeps "system logs", and statistics of their purchases and loses in their database, this would be one way to prove it.

In closing, "It is common commercial industry practice to give people their money back if the product is "defective", or with some companies, "If they are unhappy with the product in any way."."

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So what has prompted this commentary?

• On Nov. 3, 2013 I lost almost "100,000", (91,241 to be exact), in the Power Rating at the top left corner of your window.

• And on Nov. 4, 2013 I lost "22 Stars" for the "net gain" of "1".

In this situation I believe that anyone can see that the game is "defective", and that their customers "are unhappy for perfectly legitimate reasons". Therefore we should be getting our money back if Tynon cannot make right to us what we had legitimately accomplished, and had by no fault of our own, had our accomplishments robbed from us.

Lastly, this "money back guarantee" should be more than enough to "motivate the corporation" (ucool) to a quicker improvement of their software, and servers. (After all, it is only $4.75 for 50 Gems, is that asking too much for a refund? Therefore, $9.50 would essentially refund me 20 Stars. The problem seems to be, that after each failure, it does not raise the success percentages enough. Therefore, this seems to eliminate a way to succeed, and to enjoy the game.)

PS: "It is not ucool to cheat your customers."

With Respect, and Sincerity,

TynonTiger
(30.tynon.com - <killaz>)

You're playing BETA, which is filled with bugs in which players are suppose to figure out and report to Tynon.

Beta isn't a stable version of the game, so why are you spending money on the testing platform and think you have the right to have a refund when something goes wrong?

EDIT: Decided to remove insult. Coming off as very harsh.

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Are you stupid?

You're playing BETA, which is filled with bugs in which players are suppose to figure out and report to Tynon.

Beta isn't a stable version of the game, so why are you spending money on the testing platform and think you have the right to have a refund when something goes wrong?

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Server 30 isn't the beta (the server listed in the sig of the OP). And purchasing gems isn't available on the beta anyway anymore. It was originally for testing purposes, and then the purchases were transferred to the live characters on regular servers, as I understand it. I think perhaps the intended message of the OPs post was to say that the live servers are as buggy as one would expect from a beta version and therefore a refund would be in order if Tynon instituted a money back guarantee.

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Server 30 isn't the beta (the server listed in the sig of the OP). And purchasing gems isn't available on the beta anyway anymore. It was originally for testing purposes, and then the purchases were transferred to the live characters on regular servers, as I understand it. I think perhaps the intended message of the OPs post was to say that the live servers are as buggy as one would expect from a beta version and therefore a refund would be in order if Tynon instituted a money back guarantee.

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More understandable, yet still no good reasons for a refund as OP stated.

Losing 100k power can be caused by any number of reasons, changing of formation/runes.

Losing 22 stars is based totally on chance when you decide to upgrade and isn't reason for a refund.

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Are you stupid?

You're playing BETA, which is filled with bugs in which players are suppose to figure out and report to Tynon.

Beta isn't a stable version of the game, so why are you spending money on the testing platform and think you have the right to have a refund when something goes wrong?

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Ditto.

Losing power has so many factors tied into it. You might just need to refresh.

Losing stars is a part of the system. There's a tooltip if you hover your mouse over the question mark in the same tab that you do Starring on.

Ok here's an extract from the ToS.

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2.2. Payment of Fees You agree to pay all fees and applicable taxes incurred by you or anyone using an Account registered to you. uCool may revise the pricing for the goods and services offered through the Service at any time. YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT UCOOL IS NOT REQUIRED TO PROVIDE A REFUND FOR ANY REASON, AND THAT YOU WILL NOT RECEIVE MONEY OR OTHER COMPENSATION FOR UNUSED VIRTUAL ENHANCEMENTS WHEN AN ACCOUNT IS CLOSED, WHETHER SUCH CLOSURE WAS VOLUNTARY OR INVOLUNTARY.

3. UPDATES TO THE SERVICE You understand that the Service is an evolving one. uCool may require that you accept updates to the Service and to the Tynon Service and Game. You acknowledge and agree that uCool may update the Tynon Service and Game, with or without notifying you. You may need to update third party software from time to time in order to use the Service and play Tynon.

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This ToS was agreed to by all of us when we created our accounts. Whether y'all think it's fair or not isn't revelant, we all have to abide by it.

WHETHER SUCH CLOSURE WAS VOLUNTARY OR INVOLUNTARY.

hmm actually pretty funny you can't voluntary CLOSE your account it will stay forever..

and yes no refund needed here

The act of clicking I agree to ToS does not qualify as a legally binding contract, or even an electronic signature and would not have much legal standing if Tynon was found to knowingly put out a buggy game that deprived people of a service they payed for.

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The act of clicking I agree to ToS does not qualify as a legally binding contract, or even an electronic signature and would not have much legal standing if Tynon was found to knowingly put out a buggy game that deprived people of a service they payed for.

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You don't own your account, that remains the property of uCool. Before the tirade of protests this is standard across all software, including your operating system.

You can play on your account, power it up and exchange cash for in game currency (gems). What Tynon offer is a service and most games do have bugs in them. You don't pay a subscription fee, you pay for gems. The service is free and you can't claim money back on something you don't offically own or pay for.

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Originally Posted by Morgan le Fay

You can play on your account, power it up and exchange cash for in game currency (gems). What Tynon offer is a service and most games do have bugs in them. You don't pay a subscription fee, you pay for gems. The service is free and you can't claim money back on something you don't offically own or pay for.

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But most games do not have to be patch to add content because the original release did not have enough of it for the users to be able to play at the higher levels, or at least the game limits are documented in the game documentation so you know what you are getting before you spend money. Tynon does not have this because it has no documentation.

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Ok here's an extract from the ToS.



This ToS was agreed to by all of us when we created our accounts. Whether y'all think it's fair or not isn't revelant, we all have to abide by it.

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Key words:

"Not required" to provide a refund. But they could.

Not receiving compensation for unused virtual enhancements if your account is closed. Since you can't voluntarily close it, the assumption is it was closed likely due to some fashion of TOS violation. Unused virtual enhancements is just the stuff you bought. There's really no language stating that a refund is not possible.

An "evolving service." That's an interesting one to consider. In the gamer world that would imply additions or changes made in stride in a fully-functioning game. Such as quest expansions, additional events, etc. In the case of Tynon evolving service is that the game is not completed and still full of holes, to the effect that it plays like a Beta. I think the argument is whether it could be considered a finished product, and whether refund mechanisms should be in place because of all the glitches. Using common sense people are getting charged for a product that honest isn't necessarily as advertised. Some glitches, such as the star heist of showing you won some, while actually losing them and additional spending to recover cost people quite a bit of money.

I don't think people would have as much heartache and complaints about the game if everyone understood that they were signing up for a beta. It's all the little things, like the daylight savings error costing guilds cities because of the times for events being scrambled. The guild war glitches which have been around for months. Not getting quest rewards, or sail rewards, or Baal/Cerb rewards. You don't see these in more finished products, and the prices are exorbitant compared to other games, for arguably a poorer product in comparison. Not trying to flame, there's plenty of reviews out there in the MMO field.

Ultimately this is a really random thread. There's no way anyone's getting money back, and everyone knows it. Even if you did, the only way to do it would be get your money back in exchange for your account being killed. Otherwise it just opens the door for people being selectively upset over bad luck. That's what trouble tickets are for. I think there's a case that can be made that within the first week or two a refund might be possible, but if you've been around long enough to see how poor the product is, yet continue to spend anyways you gotta own up to that.

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But most games do not have to be patch to add content because the original release did not have enough of it for the users to be able to play at the higher levels, or at least the game limits are documented in the game documentation so you know what you are getting before you spend money. Tynon does not have this because it has no documentation.

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That's a interesting point. All the knowledge is user-generated, apparently by design for the players to work the mechanics of the game out for themselves. Though I disagree, if you look at games like (redacted) that have been around for 9 years they have a ton of additional patches and DLC. The difference is they started out with a finished product. Those on the older servers in this game have basically been playing a beta while the game continues to be developed. It's less noticeable on the newest servers because no one is close to reaching that edge.

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That's a interesting point. All the knowledge is user-generated, apparently by design for the players to work the mechanics of the game out for themselves. Though I disagree, if you look at games like (redacted) that have been around for 9 years they have a ton of additional patches and DLC. The difference is they started out with a finished product. Those on the older servers in this game have basically been playing a beta while the game continues to be developed. It's less noticeable on the newest servers because no one is close to reaching that edge.

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An I agree that a game needs to evolve over the years, but Tynon has been around for about 5 months. In that time we have 'run out of runway' twice and in both cases it took the development team at least a week to come up with the new content. It is obvious, at least to me, that the game was not 'ready for prime time' when it got released out of beta. The developers had all the information available to them to know that the limits of the game were going to be reached and did nothing to extend the game in time for the players not to reach the limits. Since the limits were not documented the expectation of the players, or at least of this player, that there is no upper practical (achievable to the players) limit in HR, the Quest path, payer promotion level, and player level.

I have no idea how long the game was in beta testing before it was released, but there are problems with the game design that should have been caught there. The most glaring one, that actually created a lot of the other ones, is to allow the 'super' Guilds because there is no mechanism to insure that not all the top level players are members of the same Guild and therefore causing the problems that we see in the Arena and Guild Wars.

Frankly, the TOS isn't relevant. Software companies have been and will continue to be sued, and the plaintiffs will continue to get positive judgement outcomes despite the mumbo jumbo language in most TOS. As another poster stated, the legal binding-ness of any electronic terms is suspect at best. Heck, even real physical paper contracts with signatures in blue or black ink are successfully litigated against in court.

Tynon can lean on their TOS for matters of discipline and all the internal business of the game. But once you get people paying real money for whatever you claim you're offering, that begins to delve into real life actual law and jurisprudence. And if people feel moved to utilize the judicial system available to them, that TOS will fall like a house of cards. That is why those of us who have administered online communities with any seriousness make darned sure we understand what we can and can't be sued for. And why many of us take things like harassment very seriously, no matter what the verbiage in our TOSs state as far as our actual liability.

Besides, if you have a credit card company worth anything at all, they'll happily do a chargeback on your behalf to keep your business. Most companies do have a time limit to request such a thing. Tynon has every right to totally block/ban/restrict your access if you do happen to do a chargeback, so I certainly wouldn't use this option unless you were darned sure you never wanted to be involved in the game again.

Unless gems are magically disappearing, I don't see what the problem is (unless you are at the limits of what has been developed and don't have much to do then I do see some problems).

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Unless gems are magically disappearing, I don't see what the problem is (unless you are at the limits of what has been developed and don't have much to do then I do see some problems).

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To Shiister (Post at 2:40 pm, Nov. 5)

Maybe its in Beta, BUT you are allowed to spend money in Beta. Therefore, "It does not matter if it is in Beta or not, you are still entitled to a Refund." WHY? Because, "Any time you buy something, if the product is defective, and knowing that there are laws to protect consumers, that a refund is well within their legal rights." So your position, is to deny people their legal rights.

You stated, "Beta isn't a stable version of the game, so why are you spending money on the testing platform?" FACT: "I am not spending money on the game." :-P FACT: Gems are in "cyberspace", they are not real. Therefore, a simple "data transaction" will give you the equivalent of "Free Money", a.k.a. "a refund".

The problem with your position is... "You would turn down "free money"." And in my book, "That is Looney Tunes!" (a.k.a. "nuts") Who cares if it is in Beta or not, it does not represent "a real business loss", therefore "no harm done", and the "Beta Testers" would have a more enjoy experience because of their increase in wealth, which compensates them for any harm done, while no harm has come to the corporation.

CONCLUSION: This is a "WIN-WIN" idea, in which everyone wins. (Now do you have an argument against that?)

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I am not the one being stupid. (It was too intelligently written, so you should have known better than that.) Now let's address your statements.

Maybe its in Beta, BUT you are allowed to spend money in Beta. Therefore, "It does not matter if it is in Beta or not, you are still entitled to a Refund." WHY? Because, "Any time you buy something, if the product is defective, and knowing that there are laws to protect consumers, that a refund is well within their legal rights." So your position, is to deny people their legal rights.

You stated, "Beta isn't a stable version of the game, so why are you spending money on the testing platform?" FACT: "I am not spending money on the game." :-P FACT: Gems are in "cyberspace", they are not real. Therefore, a simple "data transaction" will give you the equivalent of "Free Money", a.k.a. "a refund".

The problem with your position is... "You would turn down "free money"." And in my book, "That is Looney Tunes!" (a.k.a. "nuts") Who cares if it is in Beta or not, it does not represent "a real business loss", therefore "no harm done", and the "Beta Testers" would have a more enjoy experience because of their increase in wealth, which compensates them for any harm done, while no harm has come to the corporation.

CONCLUSION: This is a "WIN-WIN" idea, in which everyone wins. (Now do you have an argument against that?)

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Free money? Um... There is no such thing unless you are a central bank or a counterfeiter.

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CONCLUSION: This is a "WIN-WIN" idea, in which everyone wins. (Now do you have an argument against that?)

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How about you try typing this all again in understandable English.

Your reasons for making this thread is as follows

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On Nov. 3, 2013 I lost almost "100,000", (91,241 to be exact), in the Power Rating at the top left corner of your window.

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Losing 100k power can be for any number of reasons.

Changing your formation or runes.

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And on Nov. 4, 2013 I lost "22 Stars" for the "net gain" of "1".

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You lost 22 stars how? By upgrading right which comes with a very low chance of success.

How do both of these reasons mean the game is defective?

You sound like a child crying because you don't understand how Tynon run their game.

TL;DR
The game isn't defective because you lost 100k power.

The game isn't defective because when upgrading you failed X number of times and lose over 22 stars while only succeeding once.

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You stated, "Beta isn't a stable version of the game, so why are you spending money on the testing platform?" FACT: "I am not spending money on the game." :-P FACT: Gems are in "cyberspace", they are not real. Therefore, a simple "data transaction" will give you the equivalent of "Free Money", a.k.a. "a refund".

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Wut?

How do you earn games without going through using the methods on the game?

Paying for them with real life cash which in turn means you're spending money on the game.

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I am not the one being stupid. (It was too intelligently written, so you should have known better than that.) Now let's address your statements.

Maybe its in Beta, BUT you are allowed to spend money in Beta. Therefore, "It does not matter if it is in Beta or not, you are still entitled to a Refund." WHY? Because, "Any time you buy something, if the product is defective, and knowing that there are laws to protect consumers, that a refund is well within their legal rights." So your position, is to deny people their legal rights.

You stated, "Beta isn't a stable version of the game, so why are you spending money on the testing platform?" FACT: "I am not spending money on the game." :-P FACT: Gems are in "cyberspace", they are not real. Therefore, a simple "data transaction" will give you the equivalent of "Free Money", a.k.a. "a refund".

The problem with your position is... "You would turn down "free money"." And in my book, "That is Looney Tunes!" (a.k.a. "nuts") Who cares if it is in Beta or not, it does not represent "a real business loss", therefore "no harm done", and the "Beta Testers" would have a more enjoy experience because of their increase in wealth, which compensates them for any harm done, while no harm has come to the corporation.

CONCLUSION: This is a "WIN-WIN" idea, in which everyone wins. (Now do you have an argument against that?)

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The words are to shiny to read to process! lol. nah kidding, I understand your point. I just find your post is kwel! hahaha!

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I'm actually a VIP in this game. I spend money in this game, because I want to support the the dev and because I like the game.

TOS or NOT, I don't see why there should be a refund at all but Tynon is not a realistic product nor its not even defective at all. But their customer service is good I give you that. All I ever know is that you just spend real money on gems which are not realistically real. I don't know about you, but before you go spending real hard earned money you should consider one thing and ask your self this question before doing it. "Will it be worth it?".

To Morgan le Fay: (Her post at 3:19 pm, Nov. 5)

I should have known better than to write to such and Intelligent Girl, now I have the actual legal text to read. First let me include your main point... "YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT UCOOL IS NOT REQUIRED TO PROVIDE A REFUND FOR ANY REASON, AND THAT YOU WILL NOT RECEIVE MONEY OR OTHER COMPENSATION...".

MORGAN'S MISTAKE: You took the quote out of context, "the Qualifying part" is... "FOR UNUSED VIRTUAL ENHANCEMENTS WHEN AN ACCOUNT IS CLOSED." Based on ucool's own legal writing, they are effectively saying, "If you have not used everything that you had purchased, (UNUSED VIRTUAL ENHANCEMENTS), you will not be compensated for it." You are approaching the problem Intelligently, BUT, I am not talking about, "when an account is closed". I am talking about, Tynon's own bugs in their system, "that Creates an Injustice", when "it deletes and/or diminishes the achievements that Tynon members have achieved, at no fault of their own." RIGHTFULLY, "The fault is that of ucool's software or servers, that has harmed their own customers, thus, it is this Injustice that I am trying to address." (To personalize it, "If you have been harmed by anyone, you have the Right to demand that those wrongs (injustices) be made right to you.) Whether morally, intellectually, philosophically, or Legal Reasoning, it is "good reasoning", and "it is Right".

IN CLOSING: For ucool to type in 50 to 100 extra Gems, is not an unreasonable solution, it is simply "data entry", and it is "at no cost to ucool", YET, "it 'Compensates' the customer for their loses", so that they can Reestablish the loses that they had incurred. AND, "it helps to keep happy customers, who will return again to spend their money again."

Just quoted the paragraph in which that extract was situated. What I am explaining is, you cannot expect to get a money back guarantee on a free service. You pay for gems to buy power ups, not for your account itself which is why Tynon included that in their ToS. I'm sorry we do not see eye to on this subject but I'm just being realistic.

@Andy, Tynon isn't the only game I've played where content is added a various intervals. This game I might add is completely unconnected yo Tynon or uCool and it too was a browser based MMOprg.

To Morgan le Fay (Her post at 5:25 pm, Nov. 5)

Morgan... You have good point, but it is not a perfect answer to "calebvanvooren_7092773" (4:41 pm). Let me explain, you are saying, "You do not pay a subscription fee... [therefore] you can't claim money back for something that you did not officially pay for." Logically that is Good Reasoning, but in Reality, that is not true. You are claiming that they did not pay for anything, therefore, 'no refund'. BUT, some people, maybe not all, "have paid for Gems". And those Gems buy Coins & Credits which can be used to 'buy' other things. BUT, "When Tynon's bugs, rip you off of the things that you "effectively paid for", an Injustice has occurred, which Tynon's customers would be right in "being Compensated for their loses by ucool products". Thus, THEY DID PAY FOR SOMETHING, AND IT IS "THAT FACT" "THAT QUALIFIES THEM" FOR A REFUND. (Even if it is in Gems that do not cost ucool a thing.)

IN CLOSING: It is not "the service" that they want and deserve their money back for, it is because of such defective software or server problems, that rips them off of what "they paid for".

the.sassy.jasper_3887821 (Post at 5:33 pm, Nov. 5)

The way to get your money back is, for Tynon to add additional Gems to your account, and you will have no need to close your account.

I can't remember the last time tynon's bugs have ripped me off of coins, credits, medals that I purchased with gems. Just saying.

Oh and if gaming companies offered refunds every time a bug was found in the software after the game was released, I don't think there would be as many gaming companies around today.

To Herby's post, (2:58 pm, Nov. 5)

I appreciate your helpfulness, "But I do not need to 'Refresh', (Since Nov. 3rd, I have been tracking my Power gains, and loses due to Tynon, on a spreadsheet.), and there is a pattern to when you lose Power."

First, note your changes in Power when you make Equipment upgrades, buy more Talent, and purchase more Runes. (And yes I know about power changes during Rune changes.) You will notice that your Power always increases, and by how much.

Second, check that Power against your Power that is listed under "Rankings" under your own Profile. You will notice that, it is the Rankings Power Rating that has not Refreshed yet. My theory is, "When you attack in the Arena that you can only attack with the Power that is listed in the Rankings, and therefore when the Rankings has refreshed, so has the rest of the system."

HERE IS THE PROBLEM: When there is a Power difference between the Power you have listed at the top left corner of your window, and the Power that is listed in the Rankings, AND that difference has existed for "hours", then it has high percentages, that the Power at the top left corner of your web page will be adjusted down to match the Power that is listed in the Rankings, and it will be done at no fault of your own. And, it is because of this fault in the system, that creates the injustice in Tynon members Power scores, that should be offset by an equivalent adjustment in Gems, so to make the game more fair, and tolerating the bugs would be more easily accepted by Tynon members.

I hope that this helps.

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HERE IS THE PROBLEM: When there is a Power difference between the Power you have listed at the top left corner of your window, and the Power that is listed in the Rankings

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You do realize that the power on your main page is only a approximation. As it doesn't always update as fast as you make changes, even refreshing doesn't always list the right one.
You do realize that the power listed in the rankings is your max power its recorded you at for any given formation you have had on.
If you can provide visual screenshots of an actual issue then you might have a case regarding power, but as a whole whenever I see people fighting they have the correct power.

It is the same as when tynon broke Cianna's in combat visuals, it didn't actually effect the outcome of the fight as the battle is played out instantly and results are known before you see any of the actual fight.
It would be nice if the power displayed on the main page was indeed more accruate, more often. But in terms of your account strength. If you increase a rune your power goes up, regardless of what the dodgy power listings say.


Oh and just a note it doesnt adjust down anything to match the rankings page. My rankings page lists my power as 29.2mil and my current power is 28.9mil.
My 29.2mil was with valla, 28.9mil is when i don't use valla (higher saint rankings then all my other 5 position heroes.)

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To Herby's post, (2:58 pm, Nov. 5)

I appreciate your helpfulness, "But I do not need to 'Refresh', (Since Nov. 3rd, I have been tracking my Power gains, and loses due to Tynon, on a spreadsheet.), and there is a pattern to when you lose Power."

First, note your changes in Power when you make Equipment upgrades, buy more Talent, and purchase more Runes. (And yes I know about power changes during Rune changes.) You will notice that your Power always increases, and by how much.

Second, check that Power against your Power that is listed under "Rankings" under your own Profile. You will notice that, it is the Rankings Power Rating that has not Refreshed yet. My theory is, "When you attack in the Arena that you can only attack with the Power that is listed in the Rankings, and therefore when the Rankings has refreshed, so has the rest of the system."

HERE IS THE PROBLEM: When there is a Power difference between the Power you have listed at the top left corner of your window, and the Power that is listed in the Rankings, AND that difference has existed for "hours", then it has high percentages, that the Power at the top left corner of your web page will be adjusted down to match the Power that is listed in the Rankings, and it will be done at no fault of your own. And, it is because of this fault in the system, that creates the injustice in Tynon members Power scores, that should be offset by an equivalent adjustment in Gems, so to make the game more fair, and tolerating the bugs would be more easily accepted by Tynon members.

I hope that this helps.

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Everything that Kruize said.

Also, I add, that power doesn't represent an accurate gauge of an account's capability. It is only a summation of all the attributes of an account in numerical form. Don't be misled by power, nor be chained by it. What counts are the numbers found by, as the labyrinth calls it, "clicking the hero inside the hero tab".

Even with all your fancy words and twisting logic, you show that you are still an amateur in this game by your putting too much stress on power numbers.



The best suggestion I could give you is to forget about tracking your power numbers, and instead, focus on advancing through the heroic realms and through the labyrinth.

Power is not what helps you defeat enemies and bosses. Damage, Health, Defense, Dodge, Crit and the rest of the stats do.

@effeminate_1999125 You read the TOS any way you want to but the core of the problem is that the 22stars you used all have a % of success. While some have more luck than others, your % is clearly stated and thus you can complain and use parts of the TOS till youre blue in the face, it wont change the fact that you had some bad luck. And for your power fluctuation problem, its as Herby said cant really add much to that.

And Morgan, even tho the TOS say the account i use is theirs and not mine, im not allowed to let anyone else use my account(or sell it) as thats against the TOS as well right. So that would, at the very least give me some form of ownership ;)

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And Morgan, even tho the TOS say the account i use is theirs and not mine, im not allowed to let anyone else use my account(or sell it) as thats against the TOS as well right. So that would, at the very least give me some form of ownership ;)

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All you 'own' is the gems you buy. Why it states you can't sell or transfer your account is simply because you don't own it. It's akin to hiring or borrowing a car, then selling it on to a third party.

Yeah, people are WAY too twitchy about the actual power digit. I just took my kid to school, came back, and dropped 100k power without having touched a thing. And my sail credit was taken off the assistant. Awesome!

The sail thing is new. But the power number? Meh. Just make sure all your runes and eq are where you left them. The formula for power and the manner in which it is displayed is obviously a fluid thing.

I got a little lost in the above discussion, but please remember that the power listed in the Rankings is the highest power that you have ever had. If your current power hoes down because you change formations, runes, etc. the power in Rankings does not go down.

As Morgan Stated in this thread, when you play the game you agree to the ToS, clearly states no refunds.



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