Single Santification Reset's

This has been brought up before, but I've never seen anyone actually give their opinion about it.
With all the small updates being done right now, I think this would be one that we could all benefit from, along with Tynon.

When it comes to building heroes in Tynon, we are held back quite a bit. There is little in the way of customization, etc etc. I'd like to see the ability to reset SINGLE santifications added, rather than resetting the ENTIRE list of them. This would atleast allow us to build characters a bit more the way we want to use them. IE: Saffron with multiple Defense Saints or Adamanti with All HP saints, etc etc. Now before people cry about how that would upset the fragile balance of whatever, keep in mind that in order to do this, one would have to invest a lot into the tavern to get so many cards.

This is just my opinion, but I know most people agree. Any chance of this ever happening?

Heroes will become too overpowered.
Coiners would get too much of an advantage.

Imagine Adamanti, Angel V, with +225 crit.
Or Saffron, Half Angel V, with +150 dodge.
Or any hero with +60,000 hp (half angel V), or +90,000 hp (Angel V).

Too OP.

Coiners don't use the Tavern to get cards. They buy them from the Fair.
10 Saffron or Cianna cards only costs ~2500-3000 gems. A paltry amount for most medium coiners even.

Being able to customize single Saint attributes would also make all heroes look alike in the long run. No variety.

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Originally Posted by Herby

Heroes will become too overpowered.
Coiners would get too much of an advantage.

Imagine Adamanti, Angel V, with +225 crit.
Or Saffron, Half Angel V, with +150 dodge.
Or any hero with +60,000 hp (half angel V), or +90,000 hp (Angel V).

Too OP.

Coiners don't use the Tavern to get cards. They buy them from the Fair.
10 Saffron or Cianna cards only costs ~2500-3000 gems. A paltry amount for most medium coiners even.

Being able to customize single Saint attributes would also make all heroes look alike in the long run. No variety.

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Well I can think of worse things and yes, I can imagine those, hence this thread. More customization is needed in my opinion. Coiners already have a rediculous advantage, this means nothing more.

I never buy heroes from the fair, i wait or buy with spirits.
So not all coiners buy from the fair :)

Just completed the palace again and another useless card, so with this idea least i could use it to replace a purple or blue stat.

This would be great! Especially because there is a max amount of sanctifications. New life could be breathed into forgotten heros.

:mad:I got a Calvin from the Palace today. This is the 8th Calving I have gotten since he became 1/2 Angel V 3 weeks ago and can not go any higher.

I feel ur pain Andy, I do wish they would give the option to remove fully sainted cards from the tavern and rewards.

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Originally Posted by DaBooMan

I feel ur pain Andy, I do wish they would give the option to remove fully sainted cards from the tavern and rewards.

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This I agree with. No sense getting them anymore if the hero's maxxed out.

As of today, I have 7 Alexa cards and 2 Cianna cards that I'll never use.

Going back to the topic, I don't think we would like to see heroes like this with multiple Dodge, Crit, HP, or even Skill Attacks:

http://oi43.tinypic.com/m99bna.jpg

The Sainting system seems quite ok as it is now.
In the future, maybe raising the sainting cap would be an option though.

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Originally Posted by Herby

In the future, maybe raising the sainting cap would be an option though.

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i actually quite like that idea. would have a use for the excess cards i have for purple hero's, or it has been suggested by other team mates that there is some way of swapping with other players. maybe a gift a day to someone, or a 'swap shop' almost like the fair. This would help non coiners too. although it does us good to remember without the coiners, there would be no game.

Swap shop could work, with the idea we swap like for like.. purple to purple card, this would also get rid of the problem of excess cards.

And to Herby, thats a rare sight of someone with Alot of money to waste at the fair.

And Yes its wasted, My dawn is around 2k HP off that blood and has 181 critical and is only half angel 3. So another 7 saints of anything would be ok for me :P

Its not How many time you saint a Hero or Even what saints u got, Its the full 5 heroes that count. (most of the time) :)

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Originally Posted by DaBooMan

Its not How many time you saint a Hero or Even what saints u got, Its the full 5 heroes that count. (most of the time) :)

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Yes, I agree.

The randomization of saintings give an unpredictability that coining cannot control. And that is sorely needed so that everyone else doesn't get left in the dust.

Imagine that same Bloodstorm with x15 +15 dodge saints. Thats 126 + 225 + 40 + 5 dodge, or 396 dodge total. No one would be able to hit him, not even the Heroic or quest bosses.

Or imagine that Bloodstorm with x15 +15 crit saints. That's 15 + 225 + 126 crit, or 366 crit. That is almost a crit every hit, even on Baal or Cerberus.

The possibilities for abuse and being overpowered are endless.

- Heroes with over 400 crit (Dawn or the archer leader)
- Heroes with over 200,000 hit points (leader with a high level justice relic)

and so on.

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Originally Posted by DaBooMan

I never buy heroes from the fair, i wait or buy with spirits.
So not all coiners buy from the fair :)

Just completed the palace again and another useless card, so with this idea least i could use it to replace a purple or blue stat.

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Even with the chances of abuse or OP heroes, if they find a way to regulate this, I'd still be for it, as I'd still like the ability to customize heroes a bit more.
HP is waaaay out of date. I haven't even played it in a while.

they could stick a 5 same saint max in there so say after 5 crits u cannot score any more :) that would keep both sides of the fence happy.
Easy to do with a RNG. Most RNG has limiters on them.

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Originally Posted by DaBooMan

they could stick a 5 same saint max in there so say after 5 crits u cannot score any more :) that would keep both sides of the fence happy.
Easy to do with a RNG. Most RNG has limiters on them.

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Also, as some of you have figured out, all heroes have their list of saint skills already rolled out for them. Saint effects don't get added each time you get a successful saint. A successful sainting only activates the next pre-determined saint effect on the list.

This was seen before a patch a month ago. Players were able to see a lot, if not all, a hero's saint effects by rapidly clicking on the "sanctify" button. This was before the 3 second cooldown between sanctify attempts.

Each time you press "reset", a whole new list of sanctify effects are rolled out for your hero, until the maximum sainting number.
When you get a successful saint, an effect is made active, and so on, until all effects are made active.

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Originally Posted by Herby

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Also, as some of you have figured out, all heroes have their list of saint skills already rolled out for them. Saint effects don't get added each time you get a successful saint. A successful sainting only activates the next pre-determined saint effect on the list.

This was seen before a patch a month ago. Players were able to see a lot, if not all, a hero's saint effects by rapidly clicking on the "sanctify" button. This was before the 3 second cooldown between sanctify attempts.

Each time you press "reset", a whole new list of sanctify effects are rolled out for your hero, until the maximum sainting number.
When you get a successful saint, an effect is made active, and so on, until all effects are made active.

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Yeah yeah, predetermined, we know. Everything in Tynon is. Hence why the player should have more control. Boo's attribute limiting idea would prolly work the best. +5 of each tops. That would stop any OP heroes.

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Originally Posted by Deucalion

Yeah yeah, predetermined, we know. Everything in Tynon is. Hence why the player should have more control. Boo's attribute limiting idea would prolly work the best. +5 of each tops. That would stop any OP heroes.

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If you've read what I wrote, then you'd see that Tynon would have to redesign the entire way that Saintings work, for single saint resets to happen.

Even if the saintings are pre-determined, they are all rolled randomly the moment you acquired your hero, and each time you press on "Reset" in the sanctify tab.

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Originally Posted by Herby

If you've read what I wrote, then you'd see that Tynon would have to redesign the entire way that Saintings work, for single saint resets to happen.

Even if the saintings are pre-determined, they are all rolled randomly the moment you acquired your hero, and each time you press on "Reset" in the sanctify tab.

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Makes me feel so powerless....

Well herby that was the case until you told everyone, they will now change that lol, you may of even helped get the single saint reset.

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Originally Posted by DaBooMan

Well herby that was the case until you told everyone, they will now change that lol, you may of even helped get the single saint reset.

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They already fixed it a month ago. That's why there's a 3 second cooldown between sanctify attempts now.


You want me to tell everyone about how to pre-determine labyrinth destiny tiles?

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Originally Posted by Herby

If you've read what I wrote, then you'd see that Tynon would have to redesign the entire way that Saintings work, for single saint resets to happen.

Even if the saintings are pre-determined, they are all rolled randomly the moment you acquired your hero, and each time you press on "Reset" in the sanctify tab.

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Yeah Herby, I read it, and yet my opinion stays the same, regardless of how much they would have to change. It's an opinion, live with it.

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Originally Posted by Deucalion

Yeah Herby, I read it, and yet my opinion stays the same, regardless of how much they would have to change. It's an opinion, live with it.

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That's good that you read it.

Or at least let us sell the Hero cards back to Tavern for spirits, so that we can use the spirits to buy other Hero cards that we can actually use =)

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Originally Posted by Ravior

Or at least let us sell the Hero cards back to Tavern for spirits, so that we can use the spirits to buy other Hero cards that we can actually use =)

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That is a good idea. That, and not allowing to draw cards of those heroes which are already maxxed out.

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Originally Posted by Herby

Heroes will become too overpowered.
Coiners would get too much of an advantage.

Imagine Adamanti, Angel V, with +225 crit.
Or Saffron, Half Angel V, with +150 dodge.
Or any hero with +60,000 hp (half angel V), or +90,000 hp (Angel V).

Too OP.

Coiners don't use the Tavern to get cards. They buy them from the Fair.
10 Saffron or Cianna cards only costs ~2500-3000 gems. A paltry amount for most medium coiners even.

Being able to customize single Saint attributes would also make all heroes look alike in the long run. No variety.

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Only 2500-3000 gems? I think you're smoking some strong stuff. Cards are prohibitively expensive in the fair for many players, and if we arrange the whole game around what people who spend boatloads of cash MIGHT do, it leaves out a large portion of the player base.

I disagree with your opinion that this would make people too overpowered. I think that it would make it a more enjoyable game, and allow us to customize our heroes to make them more distinctive.

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Originally Posted by Herby

If you've read what I wrote, then you'd see that Tynon would have to redesign the entire way that Saintings work, for single saint resets to happen.

Even if the saintings are pre-determined, they are all rolled randomly the moment you acquired your hero, and each time you press on "Reset" in the sanctify tab.

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As I've said before, suggestions shouldn't be judged by how much work it causes the devs. This is a really frustrating comment that you make quite often because it's irrelevant to the merit of an idea. If you're not a dev, please don't try to speak for them. It makes you sound condescending, kind of like I'm sounding like a jerk. :)

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Originally Posted by BigPapa

Only 2500-3000 gems? I think you're smoking some strong stuff. Cards are prohibitively expensive in the fair for many players...

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Are you sure you're playing the same game as the rest of us?
Purple cards have always cost 300 gems or less

You say 300 gems for a card is "prohibitely expensive" yet you see so many players spending hundreds of blue medals to gain a star level? lol

http://oi42.tinypic.com/2e65ze9.jpg

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Originally Posted by Herby

Are you sure you're playing the same game as the rest of us?
Purple cards have always cost 300 gems or less

You say 300 gems for a card is "prohibitely expensive" yet you see so many players spending hundreds of blue medals to gain a star level? lol

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I have only seen a few people buy fair cards and those people are not even the servers biggest players. I think we can all agree, aside from you apparently, that buying fair heroes is a waste of gems, and would be better spent getting cards the "normal way" in the tavern. I can see using a fair card in a pinch, but honestly, how often does that happen? 250-290 gems for a "chance" to succeed? Not me, no thanks.
With the proper reg's in place, allowing players to reset a single saint would benefit the entire player base, and Tynon themselves. I think most are in agreement here.

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Originally Posted by Deucalion

I have only seen a few people buy fair cards and those people are not even the servers biggest players. I think we can all agree, aside from you apparently, that buying fair heroes is a waste of gems, and would be better spent getting cards the "normal way" in the tavern. I can see using a fair card in a pinch, but honestly, how often does that happen? 250-290 gems for a "chance" to succeed? Not me, no thanks.
With the proper reg's in place, allowing players to reset a single saint would benefit the entire player base, and Tynon themselves. I think most are in agreement here.

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Most? Are you speaking for the 5 other people who have posted in this thread?

Your idea, like all the rest of the proposals in the Tynon forum, might be feasible but a difficult one to implement, and will skew the game dramatically in favor of the coiners.

And making anything overpowered is not good. Sooner or later, more problems will arise, people will complain of OP heroes, and the non-coiners will find another thing yet to be disgruntled about.

Like I said, the sainting system is fine as it is. Heroes are somewhat unique from one another due to the random sainting they receive. It is best kept that way.

Tynon best focus their efforts on whatever's loaded into their plate already, like the new heroes, the level 90-120 maps, and so on.

I personally think they should finish the level 90-120 maps first, maybe add a few heroes in, and FIX THE BUGS in this game.

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Originally Posted by Herby

Most? Are you speaking for the 5 other people who have posted in this thread?

Your idea, like all the rest of the proposals in the Tynon forum, might be feasible but a difficult one to implement, and will skew the game dramatically in favor of the coiners.

And making anything overpowered is not good. Sooner or later, more problems will arise, people will complain of OP heroes, and the non-coiners will find another thing yet to be disgruntled about.

Like I said, the sainting system is fine as it is. Heroes are somewhat unique from one another due to the random sainting they receive. It is best kept that way.

Tynon best focus their efforts on whatever's loaded into their plate already, like the new heroes, the level 90-120 maps, and so on.

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I'm sorry, I forgot, as long as you think it's fine as it is, it should never be changed or improved. You don't care what facts or or information is proposed, you just disagree with 99% of everything you read here. I don't really care how hard it is to implement, that is for the Dev's to work out. I simply wanted everyone's opinions about this, and I got yours. 12 times. Thanks for ruining yet another thread.

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Originally Posted by Herby

Are you sure you're playing the same game as the rest of us?
Purple cards have always cost 300 gems or less

You say 300 gems for a card is "prohibitely expensive" yet you see so many players spending hundreds of blue medals to gain a star level? lol

http://oi42.tinypic.com/2e65ze9.jpg

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That's more than 3000 gems. You didn't count the failure rate, which could be like an average of 50%

its 3000 gems for purples, what about the ~12000 gems for 15 gold cards, then the multiple gold cards u need, so 4 gold heroes, thats ~48000 gems just on acquiring them, thats without fail rates. So what your saying is basically everyone who is VIP8 is Only VIP8 because they bought 60 gold cards from the fair?
Then by the time You get coins for runes, blacksmith and credits for talents, Dam every coiner is at least VIP9.

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Originally Posted by DaBooMan

its 3000 gems for purples, what about the ~12000 gems for 15 gold cards, then the multiple gold cards u need, so 4 gold heroes, thats ~48000 gems just on acquiring them, thats without fail rates. So what your saying is basically everyone who is VIP8 is Only VIP8 because they bought 60 gold cards from the fair?
Then by the time You get coins for runes, blacksmith and credits for talents, Dam every coiner is at least VIP9.

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Not all, of course not.

But I know several people who've done that. Imagine how OP those heroes will be.

Buying cards from the fair is like summoning the runekeeper. =)