Genghis Khan - The Ultimate Hero?

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Originally Posted by ChickenWing

Queen P can easily be neutralized by Flavius. Not Khan.

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Khan's keeping moral makes it a more difficult but Flavius can disable him. That goes down to skill attack vs skill defense and when they go in the round. I'm not saying keeping moral isn't an advantage, just that it's no where near as big as gaining full damage back as hp instead of half the damage. Hence strongly disagreeing with Herby saying the lack of moral drain compensates for the half health regain.

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Originally Posted by z20k_6130240

Khan's keeping moral makes it a more difficult but Flavius can disable him. That goes down to skill attack vs skill defense and when they go in the round. I'm not saying keeping moral isn't an advantage, just that it's no where near as big as gaining full damage back as hp instead of half the damage. Hence strongly disagreeing with Herby saying the lack of moral drain compensates for the half health regain.

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Morale drain based on star level.

But anyway you are right in that Queen P is better than Khan. I personally don't see why purples can't be better than golds (a lot of them are), but khan could get his heals increased to 75% or something like that.

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Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829

not one uses pent in the quarter finals and up, because they knocked out all the ones that did use her. there is more to it than just the HP leech. when khan crits he is deadly. you say she adds 10% magic resist (i'd prefer +30 crit from khan anytime) and i say she needs it badly because when you look at the other base stats:

base stats pent - khan
com 75 - 85
str 75 - 85
int 55 - 80

HP 550 - 650
p.attk 935 - 2456
s.attk 515 - 1350
p.def 312 - 819
s.def 561 - 1473
m.def 234 - 614

khan is anti flavi, pro crit, good tank with ability to heal himself and instead of having to use herja you can put another DD into the group. of course i would love if he had more HP leech but for that he doesnt die as fast as pent and does more damage.




edit: dont forget the difference on sanctifications you can additionally gain when use of a gold hero compared to a purple.

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And anyone using Khan got knocked out even earlier from what I saw. If you aren't using him for the leeching then you have better options. That's why both are better for PvE than PvP, CW was just a way of pointing out which heroes are getting used and which aren't. In PvE, even with better gear and higher runes my Khan dies before my Pent every time. Without Crits she heals enough to stay alive, he doesn't(Given he's still a little behind on stars and saints but his stats are almost caught up because of eq and runes). Though I do agree with you that the crit bonus is better than the mag resist(and resilience and higher block).

Also those base stat differences a bit above what other gold heroes get over their purple counter parts. But it's inline with how much more expensive his cards are and how much harder he is to beat. Look at Scipio vs Cleopatra, Dawn vs Valla or Rhiaze vs Vipsanius. Sure he gets a better phyattack and skill attack bump than the rest but no where near enough to make up for his skill being a nerfed version of Pents. That is a good point about gold hero saints adding more, hopefully when I can get him some more saints that will help, I still don't see it making up for the weakened skill though(just means I'll use both for PvE and have him take less hits since he heals less)

I know there is a lot more to it than just the leeching vs keeping moral, I was directly responding to Herby saying keeping moral alone compensates for gaining half damage back instead of full. I still think that statement is crazy.

You do all realized that this is a necro'd thread?

When I posted that Khan is the Ultimate Hero, it was still January.

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Originally Posted by g346007_1906957

Morale drain based on star level.

But anyway you are right in that Queen P is better than Khan. I personally don't see why purples can't be better than golds (a lot of them are), but khan could get his heals increased to 75% or something like that.

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Weird back when someone was revenging me with a leading Flavius hit to disable my skill attacks, I upgraded all my moral to 120 and noticed 2 heroes kept enough moral and 1 didn't. I thought I solved it by upgrading skill defense but I might have upgraded stars too. Good to know, thanks.

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Originally Posted by z20k_6130240

And anyone using Khan got knocked out even earlier from what I saw. If you aren't using him for the leeching then you have better options. That's why both are better for PvE than PvP, CW was just a way of pointing out which heroes are getting used and which aren't. In PvE, even with better gear and higher runes my Khan dies before my Pent every time. Without Crits she heals enough to stay alive, he doesn't(Given he's still a little behind on stars and saints but his stats are almost caught up in stats because of eq and runes). Though I do agree with you that the crit bonus is better than the mag resist(and resilience and high block).

Also those base stat differences a bit above what other gold heroes get over their purple counter parts. But it's inline with how much more expensive his cards are and how much harder he is to beat. Look at Scipio vs Cleopatra, Dawn vs Valla or Rhiaze vs Vipsanius. Sure he gets a better phyattack and skill attack bump than the rest but no where near enough to make up for his skill being a nerfed version of Pents. That is a good point about gold hero saints adding more, hopefully when I can get him some more saints that will help, I still don't see it making up for the weakened skill though(just means I'll use both for PvE and have him take less hits since he heals less)

I know there is a lot more to it than just the leeching vs keeping moral, I was directly responding to Herby saying keeping moral alone compensates for gaining half damage back instead of full. I still think that statement is crazy.

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2 where used into the quarter finals and 1 all the way to semi finals. i am not saying its a great thing to use him or would recommend him, the point is there was 0 pents. there is however situations where you want pent, others you want khan, sometimes both. usually pent is preferred coz she is cheaper to star up and also already part of some players forms at the point they get khan. point is, khan is better but pent usually developed further.

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Originally Posted by Herby

You do all realized that this is a necro'd thread?

When I posted that Khan is the Ultimate Hero, it was still January.

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technically its not "necro'd" since there is new information, new strategies, same hero and not new, they did changes to morale sustaining, etc...
there is nothing bad about the continuation of an older post to prevent a new one.

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Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829

technically its not "necro'd" since there is new information, new strategies, same hero and not new, they did changes to morale sustaining, etc...
there is nothing bad about the continuation of an older post to prevent a new one.

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Look at z20k_6130240 's reply 5 months after my post and tell me thats not a necro.

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Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829

technically its not "necro'd" since there is new information, new strategies, same hero and not new, they did changes to morale sustaining, etc...
there is nothing bad about the continuation of an older post to prevent a new one.

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That's for the mods to decide...

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Originally Posted by Herby

Look at z20k_6130240 's reply 5 months after my post and tell me thats not a necro.

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yes you are right, but what about everything else?
what i am trying to say is that andy is trying to generate an index with posts about heroes where you can have a continuation thread and just have to click on a link and see what players posted over time. i dont think its the right thing to do to close a post only because its a couple months old if new material is provided opposed to modify/delete the 1 post that was off topic or necro it