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Is this how the arena works now?
Scenario: B has exp stakes.
A hit B for experience stakes.
A gets +1 exp immediately, then removes all characters in formation.
B hits back, reclaims exp stakes, gains 2 exp.
Kindly correct me if I'm wrong, as this would greatly change how my guild deals with gem stakes.
Thats how I read it. Time for some testing.
After reading the system mail myself, I think it means this;
-A attacks B, claims half the stake.
-Within the 30min cooldown period B is able to defeat A and reclaim the other half.
-If A is unable to defeat B before the cooldown expires, he/she gets nothing since the stake was returned to B when B defeated A.
Since the word 'reclaim' is there, I'm persuming that's how the scenario plays out.
Just tested it.
Guild mate hit me for Chest stake, loots the chest (level 100 item trollololololol) immediately.
This means that chest stakes can be duplicated, and it's based off the original stake holder's loot pool.
Tested for EXP as well, half of exp are credited straight away to challenger, then proceeded to take back stake.. resulting in 50% exp gain for challenger and 100% gain for original stake holder.
Is it supposed to really work this way?
^I doubt it.
I suspect it's supposed to help those who aren't VIP3+.
What about the gems i spent on opening arena stakes slots? The fourth one was 10 gems, and the fifth one was 20!
what about:
1.you have 0 gems
2. hit A for 10 gems, gain 5 gems
3. spend 5 gems immediately
4. A hit back, regain his 5 gems
5. can you have -5gems? :confused:
Shouldn't work that way Koja =)
Ravior, when B hit A back (in the exp case you tested) and B regain his stakes, can another person hit B to get another 50% of his stakes? If so I see potentially for lots of abuse :p
I assume it's possible with the assumption that the original owner has the patience to keep reclaiming his stakes after being hit by various players.
Everyone will have to wait until the original stake owner robbed his stakes back in order to get the 50% as well.
That said, I dread to think what would happen, should Leader Cards or 1000 gems stakes come up.
Which a lot of the brighter players have already figured out. The potential is limitless, guildies can share chests, gems, large coin stakes..... if anyone gets a leadercard it can be duplicated..... The 1000 gems, will be 1500 gems, 1k to the original stakeholder and 500 can go to a guildie.Quote:
Originally Posted by koja6049
To be honest guys I seriously doubt this is going to around for long.
I agree Morgan.
But I'm just a single player, maybe the we could get more players to provide feedback about the current arena system?
Which in the case I'm trying to make, it is even more sinister. 1000 gems does not merely become 1500 gems, but infinite gems. Player A hits B for 500, let B claim back, hit B again for 500, ad infinitum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Morgan le Fay
This is one of the first things I've tested for, fortunately it can't be done.
The stakes will disappear from the player's portrait once they've reclaimed their stakes. =)
I don't see anything wrong with the old arena.
There wasn't any potential for abuse there either.
Why change things?
yes Ravior tested it and what you guys have mentioned is correct but for how long will that stay
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Originally Posted by Herby
OMG ...Herby not agreeing with a Tynon change? Has hell frozen over?
This is good, higher lvl players cant farm active lower lvl players any more, all day long , such as being number one in arena and farming the other top 5 around you. Well bad for the farmer lol....
Tested thoroughly.
The original owner can get their 100% back but attackers after the first DO NOT get subsequent 50% stakes even if the losing defender reclaims them. Only the first attacker and the defender can get a total of 150% coins, credits or gems. Chests - the attacker gets chest reward immediately and defender does as well once reclaimed, not sure if they still get if they don't reclaim. The big question mark, for me, is cards, do both people get leader cards? I assume that because both people get chest rewards, cards will work the same way.
How does it stop higher lvl players from farming active low levels?
Can't follow your reasoning for it being bad for the farmer it was always 50% of the stake now it's just immediately awarded.Quote:
Originally Posted by hjam_8879649
Ya but if the other player is online line they can take it back no matter how much power the other players has...if I understand the the change correctly, oh ok then the attacker get 50% and gets to keep it? No matter if the other players gets his stakes back....kinda weird, ya ok now i see the abuse possibly. So i guess they will change this so the attackers cant keep the 50%.maybe lol
Not necessarily the potential is only for 150% of the stakes, 50% to the attacker and 100% to the defender, the only abuse could be in the form of chest farming (double mats) or cards (2 cards) and since mats are worth 1 stamina each the only issue for me is cards but I have literally only seen 5 leader cards in arena around me and chased 3 in other realms. 150% coins and credits is minimal even at the top (roughly 600k coins split 200/400 between the two)
So its a win , win for the attacker and the defender is the defender is online to take the stakes back....does Tynon even test these changes before they go live lol.
were actually testing it out. in Gems. too bad the player isn't online. but, its a first come first serve. you can only share gems with one player only.Quote:
Originally Posted by Morgan le Fay
I'll say it once I'll say it again ... this new Arena is awesome! No more waiting around :)
Personally i'm ok with win-win situations. Especially this one and the increase to stakes as it might encourage more communication in guild/realm and activity through the day.
It looks good to me, just want to be re imbursed for the gems I invested in opening the arena reward slots.
I want my gems back for slots.
I want to know where these GREATLY INCREASED arena rank rewards are. I see 1-4 maybe through 10 get double the rep they used to, BUT THAT"S IT. Lower ranks get nothing more. And rep becomes useless after a while. This is a joke. They need to rethink how they word stuff. I don't like this patch at all. The instantly collect half the stakes. SO a vip0 gets to auto collect the stake they take yet a vip 2 still has to be online to collect it? Talk about catering to the F2P and part timers. This patch was not very well thought through at all. The arena worked fine as it was, sure i would liek GREATLY INCREASED arena rank rewards, but thats not what they gave us. This is a joke pure and simple. Is it Chinese April Fools day or something?
Yes, gems back for purchased slots since they were bought with players real money. And with the potential for abuse, duplication of stakes, gems and leader cards, we'll either get this reversed or get in trouble for exploiting their new improvement. I smell something fishy here ...... ^^;
theres really no room for exploit. once someone takes stakes noone else can only original holder can reclaim. SO basically 10 gem stakes becomes 15 10 for holder 5 for one person. Leader card stakes get doubled now- 2 people will get them.
This is just stupid. completely stupid.
To all those who are insisting they deserve their gems back.Just remember that at most you probably spent 35-40 gems on arena slots. Tynon gives you 5-10 free gems a day from daily activities, up to 20-50 gems from labs, not to mention the gem awards in the arena. At most you should have those gems back by the end of the week (just for playing the game), and you could possibly have them back by this evening (for free!). So be thankful for all that Tynon gives us without having to pay and just play. Also on 82 i'm in the 20's in rank and my rep boosted from 48 to 748 for arena awards. That's a pretty significant gain. This should make progression through the ranks much easier.
Huge change in reputation rewards in arena :)
yes nr1 spot now gives 4000 rep a dayQuote:
Originally Posted by Revan
chnage in rep in MINIMAL compared to needing 3.8 for marshall. It also become useless when you hit marshall.
The arena rank awards are rep coins and credits. Only rep got increased. That is not a GREAT INCREASE IN ARENA RANK REWARDS. that is an increase in rep rewards only. Learn ho to say what you mean tynon. Or do what you say.
And we do deserve our gems back for slots. Ask us to pay for something that is now obsolete because of a change NO ONE ASKED FOR. And I personally hate this patch.
Thats what we all said about General before the patch.....reps became useless once you hit general....well not so lol...they just change the rules/patch and Bang, need more rep.Quote:
chnage in rep in MINIMAL compared to needing 3.8 for marshall. It also become useless when you hit marshall.
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To all those who are insisting they deserve their gems back.Just remember that at most you probably spent 35-40 gems on arena slots.
My next slot to open was like 80 gems so i did spend alot of gems to open slots, but not complaining as I got alot of 100 gems/50 gems etc from arena over the last few months or so...
Well, people complained that we do not get enough rep and now we get a lot more (enough to make getting higher ranks take weeks less than what it would've taken).Quote:
Originally Posted by mattp169
I think matt just wants to be really pissed about this update lol.
Ok your all living in a DREAM WORLD if you think the minimal rep increase from arena rank rewards is going to make any difference in reaching MARSHALL RANK. I am usually # 2 in arena. I now get 1600 more rep a day. SO WHAT? I was getting 7-8k rep a day now with the whopping 1600 more i get from arena and the extra 600 i can get form arena I will still need months upon months to hit Marshall.. SO WHAT?? Thats not a lot. Especially when you consider only #2 rank gets the extra 1600 rep. it gets less and less from there. Lower ranks dont benefit that much from it. You are all drinking the KOOL AID. Yes they did this because we all complained about the increased rep requirements, BUT ITS NOT PROPORTIONAL. And its not going to change much at all.
Plus it was suppose to be GREAT INCREASE IN ARENA REWARDS. not a great increase in rep from arena rewards. SO say what you mean or do what you say tynon.
Yes Im grumpy today over this patch. You all should be. IT IS HORRIBLE.
BTW STAKES ARE BROKE ANYWAY
Now when it flashe syou have stakes to claim or post. It shows there are no stakes selected
you go to select a stake it says you already selected a stake
close arena come back, same thing
Refresh game. and magically some stake that wasnt even a choice before you refreshed is now your selected stake. I suspect this is merely a graphical display bug, BUT ITS BROKE. YET AGAIN.. IF IT AINT BROKE- TYNON WILL MAKE IT BROKE WHEN WE FIX IT FOR NO GOOD REASON
Isn't there a possibility for abuse with the way stakes work? Suppose someone has 1000 gems. You grab it, get 500 gems; then the other takes it back. You grab it again, get another 500 gems, etc. Isn't this crazy?