a new idea for ragnarok!

hi guys just a few idea's tell me if you like them and if yiu have any suggestions many thanks ~pheonix~
ragnarok should stay the way it is every night but.it should be based like a rewards point system 50 point for each fight you win.10 points for each fight you lose,
rewards should be
lvl 1 chips=250 points
lvl 2 chips=500 points
lvl 3 chips=1000 points
lvl 4 chips=2000 points
lvl 5 chips=4000 points
lvl 6 chips=8000 points
lvl 7 chips=12,000 points
lvl 8 chips=24,000 points

full armor sets
hope bringers armor set=2,500 points
champions armor set=5,000 points
guardian's armor set=10,000 points
ironheart armor set=20,000 points
lightbringer's armor set=40,000 points
justice armor set=80,000 points
judgement armor set= 160,000 points
sirius armor set= 320,000 points

I for one think this is a great reward system as it will take while to save the points but atleast ragnarok will have a beneficial system to entice people to play and is also a great goal for people to reach.This system is much better than the current ragnarok system as it will give people the oppurtunity to gain items instead of just from heroic realm,cretan labyrnth and the fair.all tho this will entice some players to spend money to be the best so they can gain more points from rag each night. I think if enough of us like this system,we should put our ideas forward to the tynon dev team and see what they think. thanks alot guys pheonix server 35 vengence of hera.peace out !!

are points consecutive like tickets? so you choose to spend your points for rag etc...

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Originally Posted by DrthCaedus

are points consecutive like tickets? so you choose to spend your points for rag etc...

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Yes they are,the system works out like this. you save your point to buy items

there is no way you gong to get gear that easy lol

I like the idea.

Maybe we could add some Maze tokens into the rewards list somewhere.

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Originally Posted by davina996_3504809

there is no way you gong to get gear that easy lol

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50 points per fight if you win
hm? how would this make gear easy to get?

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Originally Posted by zogg.get.safe_7434468

I like the idea.

Maybe we could add some Maze tokens into the rewards list somewhere.

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i like this it would be good for another way to aquire them
but how much point>maze token?

would just need to up the starting point for gear. start HB at 20k, go up 10k from there then keep justice the same. keep in mind Davina the most points you could possible gain for a rag would be 2500(that's winning every fight) at that point it's 128 days for gain a sirius set, people wouldn't be getting gear easy by any means, would take weeks.

50 wins for a hope bringers set
100 wins for a champions set
200 wins for a guardian set
400 wins for a ironheart set
800 wins for a lightbringers set
1600 wins for a judgement set
how is this easy? average wins per night=20 so 20 wins anight takes 5 days for a champions set??? i wouldnt define this easy as doing heroic realm you could get a full champions set in 4 day?

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Originally Posted by DrthCaedus

would just need to up the starting point for gear. start HB at 20k, go up 10k from there then keep justice the same. keep in mind Davina the most points you could possible gain for a rag would be 2500(that's winning every fight) at that point it's 128 days for gain a sirius set, people wouldn't be getting gear easy by any means, would take weeks.

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thank you caed,points start low as the gear level is low but for players that are on the hopebringers gear still it will be harder to win fight so will still take a while to gain a full set from this system :P

so drthcaedus you suggest HB=20k, champions=30k, guardians=40k,ironheart=50k,LB=60k then keep the rest the same as they are now?

I love the idea of changing rag to make it something more worthwhile cause atm its a pretty worthless event.
however I think the points system would need some amending with say 10 pts for winning first fight, 20 pts for 2nd etc to give some reward for getting decent length streaks.
as for the rewards they could put anything in from the same kinda stuff you have in CW shop to plans for just about everything, it would be nice to be able to get spirit plans somewhere else that the lab, however i am not sure howmuch this would affect the balance of the game, Devs would have to set that kind of thing i think.

Talgore

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Originally Posted by talgore_2817623

I love the idea of changing rag to make it something more worthwhile cause atm its a pretty worthless event.
however I think the points system would need some amending with say 10 pts for winning first fight, 20 pts for 2nd etc to give some reward for getting decent length streaks.
as for the rewards they could put anything in from the same kinda stuff you have in CW shop to plans for just about everything, it would be nice to be able to get spirit plans somewhere else that the lab, however i am not sure howmuch this would affect the balance of the game, Devs would have to set that kind of thing i think.

Talgore

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i love ypur thinking as i <3 you tal XD i love the more point for higher kill streaks that would make the systeam alot better :P hmm

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Originally Posted by mazter31_8287150

i like this it would be good for another way to aquire them
but how much point>maze token?

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Based on 2500 points for hope bringers set, and 20 tokens for hope bringers spirit, and the fact that that the spirit is 1/6 of the set:

2500 / (6 * 20) = 20,8333 - round up to 25 points due to premium value

That should be fair

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Originally Posted by zogg.get.safe_7434468

Based on 2500 points for hope bringers set, and 20 tokens for hope bringers spirit, and the fact that that the spirit is 1/6 of the set:

2500 / (6 * 20) = 20,8333 - round up to 25 points due to premium value

That should be fair

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so with your calculations 25 point = 1 token this would be terrible im sorry. because with that theory,HB=10 wins, champs spirit=20 wins,guardian=30 wins with this in mind it would take 360 wins to get 1 of each spirit wich works out as 13 days to aquire these spirits

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Originally Posted by zogg.get.safe_7434468

Based on 2500 points for hope bringers set, and 20 tokens for hope bringers spirit, and the fact that that the spirit is 1/6 of the set:

2500 / (6 * 20) = 20,8333 - round up to 25 points due to premium value

That should be fair

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65 days to get from apprentice spirit to sirius spirit on all 5 hero's

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Originally Posted by mazter31_8287150

so drthcaedus you suggest HB=20k, champions=30k, guardians=40k,ironheart=50k,LB=60k then keep the rest the same as they are now?

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correct. and the reason for this is wins are relative to the age and power of the server, for most getting 50 wins in rag would be too easy starting off on a new server where everyone is the same power, people would be picking up full HB sets before they had even unlocked all the area's to farm them. Just need to make that first set harder to pull off.

Guys, i think the actual mechanics of how it works, how many points you get for a win and how many points you need for any item would be completely upto the dev team to calculate, doing something small can make a huge difference to the balance of a game like this, I know i have worked on balance issues in games before, and it would need to be properly looked at in relation to everything else that is going on in the game.
all we really need to agree on is that the general idea of reformatting ragnorok into something more useful with a points based shop system would be a very good idea that we as players would like to see implemented. Leave the actual mechanics of the system to the devd to develop (that is their job after all the title "dev" gives it away)

Talgore

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Originally Posted by DrthCaedus

correct. and the reason for this is wins are relative to the age and power of the server, for most getting 50 wins in rag would be too easy starting off on a new server where everyone is the same power, people would be picking up full HB sets before they had even unlocked all the area's to farm them. Just need to make that first set harder to pull off.

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Adjust the cost of tokens accordingly at the same time

Valid point on the balancing Talgore

The basic idea is a good one.
I approve.

Gorgon

If ragnarok were like that, I'd stop spending stamina in Cretan's Labyrinth altogether, and I may consider not playing in the Heroic Realm either, except for the daily.

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Originally Posted by ChickenWing

If ragnarok were like that, I'd stop spending stamina in Cretan's Labyrinth altogether, and I may consider not playing in the Heroic Realm either, except for the daily.

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Then you would be extremely foolish, the proposed 20k points for just a single HB set would take 400 wins (I average 33 per rag) so 12 days for a single HB set, most could do that in HR in 2-3 days. and it just get's harder and harder from there. 320k for a sirius set 6,400 wins, 193 days for me on average, If you can't manage a couple of sets regularly in less time than that then you're not trying. This would just create an alternative way to gain gear etc...(especially spirits) Could also include coins/creds/stars in this new shop.

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Originally Posted by DrthCaedus

Then you would be extremely foolish, the proposed 20k points for just a single HB set would take 400 wins (I average 33 per rag) so 12 days for a single HB set, most could do that in HR in 2-3 days. and it just get's harder and harder from there. 320k for a sirius set 6,400 wins, 193 days for me on average, If you can't manage a couple of sets regularly in less time than that then you're not trying. This would just create an alternative way to gain gear etc...(especially spirits) Could also include coins/creds/stars in this new shop.

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You aren't looking at how hard it is to get the spirit. If you are giving up on lab, and getting spirits through rag instead, you get the rest of the set free anyway.

I average 6 tokens a day, 200 tokens for a sirius spirit, 33 days per sirius spirit that way, much less than the 193 to gain 1 if you just went about it that way. Like I said, this is just something that would make getting that 5th or 6th, or at that point 7th set a bit easier.

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Originally Posted by DrthCaedus

I average 6 tokens a day, 200 tokens for a sirius spirit, 33 days per sirius spirit that way, much less than the 193 to gain 1 if you just went about it that way. Like I said, this is just something that would make getting that 5th or 6th, or at that point 7th set a bit easier.

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Since the conversion rates are a little off, it would be best to use rag points for all the lower spirits and lab tokens for sirus. For HB and Guardian, it is much faster to do it by rag and that kinda threw me off. you are right, we would have to do both.

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Originally Posted by DrthCaedus

I average 6 tokens a day, 200 tokens for a sirius spirit, 33 days per sirius spirit that way, much less than the 193 to gain 1 if you just went about it that way. Like I said, this is just something that would make getting that 5th or 6th, or at that point 7th set a bit easier.

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haha i didnt think of subs,a great way to be prepared for when you do get them

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Originally Posted by Cupid_907652

Since the conversion rates are a little off, it would be best to use rag points for all the lower spirits and lab tokens for sirus. For HB and Guardian, it is much faster to do it by rag and that kinda threw me off. you are right, we would have to do both.

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this would still save alot of time and people would be alot happier as ragnarok being worthwhile joining into.

The winnings here would overshadow CWF.

So no, i don't think this idea is feasible.