Capture the flag/ replace gwf

So I have been thinking about this alot.
GWF is a fail - Both the 1-10 version and the 11+ version.
It is glitched It really is BORING for many servers

SO lets get rid of it.

Attach the bonuses you obtain form the cities to your guild level. SO a level 3 guild gets 100 rep bonus level 4 guilds get 150% coin/credit bonus etc

Then in place of gwf we have Capture the Flag.

Similar idea to GWF at NPC status

There would be 8 levels of cities
Each level offers higher rewards and higher difficulty of challenges
As you guild level increases you are able to challenge higher level cities - just like there is now except there are level 1 and 2 cities to challenge
You have to pay guild contributions for your guild to participate. A level 1 city would cost 100 each level higher costs an additional 100 so a level 8 city would cost 800.

NOw the important concept is its not 1 city per level. Say there's 6 level 4 guilds on a server and they all want to go after a level 4 city - they all pay 400 contributions and each have their own level 4 city to go after. This is not a guild versus guild event its a event for a guild to work together to complete a task and win rewards.

Heres the specifics of how it works

We use the GWF screen
You have A through G
Players and NPCs have durability like we do now
G would hold a BOSS - type npc
These bosses would have a set form - like the lab - but there are multiple bosses each with their own unique form - abilities etc so that you cant just use any old form to beat this NPC - When you start Capture the Flag you see which boss IS AT G and before you march to G you can set form and runes. Damage done to the boss is cumulative- so it would take a whole guild to kill it.
The other npcs are just like the minion squads we fight in quests. nothing to special - but with enough of them at a high enough power to make it somewhat of a challenge to make capturing each point a challenge but not an insurmountable hill.
Guild starts at A
There are NPCs at B through G
As NPC s are defeated they go to G to heal for 3 rounds
As players are defeated they go to A to heal for 3 rounds
Each area does not give you a boost like it does now
D does heal both NPCs and players
If players do not attempt to capture a new area after 2 rounds 50% of the npcs at each of their locations advance on the next round
30 rounds max
Guild must control ALL areas - So if the guild is waiting at F for others to catch up for 2 rounds and march on the 3rd and capture G they must also defend F from the 50% of the NPCs who are advancing now on F due to the players not advancing to a new area for 2 rounds. And if the lose F while Capturing G They must recapture F
If G is captured by players yet NPCs are at F - Surviving Players are a G - Players killed are Back at A. NPCs defeated at G will not regenerate. Npcs at F wiil March on G the next round
If Players successfully defend G - GAME OVER players get rewards
If Players do not successfully defend G They are sent back to A to heal for 3 rounds. G regenerates all NPCs in the same 3 rounds after regeneration the NPCS will begin to march back towards B leaving behind the original NPCS at each location in an attempt to reset the board.
Only players online could participate.If a player NEVER leaves A they get no rewards

There would be participation rewards for anyone who is in the gwf, and then if you are successful everyone gets a completion rewards as well - sort of like pirates - 50% for trying the other 50% if you succeed.


Now this system opens up all types of ideas
1. no longer is gwf rewards guaranteed.
2, if the hosts knows certain players arent available that day for gwf, then they can chose an easier city
3. more players will have bonuses
4. this concept could possibly actually provide a challenge
5 rewards increase per level - so a level 4 city gives more rewards then a level 3 etc
6, power of the boss and minion npcs increase per level of city
7. Guilds can bid additional contributions for a multiplier on rewards
8. If the guild bids higher to get a multiplier on rewards the npcs also power up as wel


I think an idea like this has a lot of merit either as its own event or to replace to the current GWF

Interesting...
I do like how lv1 and 2 guild are incorporated.
I don't like the possibility of no rewards.
I am unsure about how AI programming would affect gameplay with the NPCs. Guild vs Guild feels more dynamic.

Guild vs guild really doesnt exist too much in this game, eventually you get uber guilds

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Originally Posted by mattp169

Guild vs guild really doesnt exist too much in this game, eventually you get uber guilds

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Well, for my server, this is some competition between the top 5 guilds. It would be a nice feature for uber-guilded servers, I guess.

I like it as this way everyone benefits and that would stop the creation of super guilds

Guild warfare, despite the glitches, is one of the fun pvp events in this game provided it is a fair match. It is rarely a fair match due to the formation of super guilds though. This idea would solve a lot of conflicts between guilds and should be done if they could make the NPC fight interesting enough.

I dont like the fact that there would be no guaranteed rewards
Those rewards do help me a lot in the game

No disrespect Matt, but do you play the game or just sit and think of how to change it?? It's got to take a lot of time to think of all that, then type out mini-novels on it. Might send that to devs via support.

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Originally Posted by MisChief

No disrespect Matt, but do you play the game or just sit and think of how to change it?? It's got to take a lot of time to think of all that, then type out mini-novels on it. Might send that to devs via support.

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Heres my daily game
log on
strip heroes off. hit #1 in arena 20 times - rep maxed
play banish twice
log in for rag click fight
log in for gwf click fight garrison B wait 3 minutes click march
autogrind a new piece of equipment every other day
ask a hundred times who has a map in gc
Play 1 lab - if imreally bored play a second lab.

I have no quests to do
no HRs to do
Just waiting ion stamina to finish the gear on 2 heroes - then ill start on sub #2's stuff
And waiting for something new in the game.
Oh and sometimes I attack people in wilds or HR
Then IF I am super bored I level runes which takes hours of time to do when most of your runes are level 9-11

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Originally Posted by mattp169

Heres my daily game
log on
strip heroes off. hit #1 in arena 20 times - rep maxed
play banish twice
log in for rag click fight
log in for gwf click fight garrison B wait 3 minutes click march
autogrind a new piece of equipment every other day
ask a hundred times who has a map in gc
Play 1 lab - if imreally bored play a second lab.

I have no quests to do
no HRs to do
Just waiting ion stamina to finish the gear on 2 heroes - then ill start on sub #2's stuff
And waiting for something new in the game.
Oh and sometimes I attack people in wilds or HR
Then IF I am super bored I level runes which takes hours of time to do when most of your runes are level 9-11

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But I am glad some people are liking my ideas, hopefully dawn takes them to the devs. But they dont take long to come up with or to write out.

I agree Tynon needs new events, or more Banish events.

3 boss fights in which a player can only participate in 2 is a good idea.

Also, round the clock events, one every hour.

No matter how mundane, as long as its replayable, it will benefit everyone and Ucool.

Why not just a cross server GW so the super guilds can fight each other no matter which realm they are in

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Originally Posted by Herby

I agree Tynon needs new events, or more Banish events.

3 boss fights in which a player can only participate in 2 is a good idea.

Also, round the clock events, one every hour.



No matter how mundane, as long as its replayable, it will benefit everyone and Ucool.

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Ok me and herby should just be on the dev team - we may not agree on a lot - but you get both sides of the coin form the two of us.
But it must be a sign of the Apocalypse because me and Herby are agreeing alot lately
And if me and Herby agree, the devs should think about it seriously

I think this is both good and bad.

- Good because on most servers (if not all), a super guild eventually dominates everything in GW, which means there is no competition anymore AND no bonus cities for the other guilds. This would help everyone enjoy the buffs and keep the competition alive as a result.

- Bad because it removes the major event that creates PvP in this game. But as you mentionned, it eventually does not work anymore.


Maybe GW needs to be fixed so that PvP stays alive, instead of removing PvP altogether. For instance, the players could be distributed at random and evenly across all cities held and being attacked by a guild. As a result, the more cities a guild holds, the harder it is to defend them.

Cool ideas. :)

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Originally Posted by Dawnseeker

Cool ideas. :)

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WOW!

DAWN you are killing me.

I am glad you think the ideas are cool. Are you taking them to the dev team? Is the dev team even interested in ideas like this? Is the dev team looking for new events to add to the game?

I really think you are capable of a more informative and thought filled response. SINCE YOU ARE BASICALLY THE ONLY COMMUNICATION FROM uCOOL. This type of response makes me want to take my money else where.

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Originally Posted by mattp169

WOW!

DAWN you are killing me.

I am glad you think the ideas are cool. Are you taking them to the dev team? Is the dev team even interested in ideas like this? Is the dev team looking for new events to add to the game?

I really think you are capable of a more informative and thought filled response. SINCE YOU ARE BASICALLY THE ONLY COMMUNICATION FROM uCOOL. This type of response makes me want to take my money else where.

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lol matt

I agree with you. It's the type of response that is aimed at making you think they're considering what you said. But they don't.

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Originally Posted by mattp169

So I have been thinking about this alot.
GWF is a fail - Both the 1-10 version and the 11+ version.
It is glitched It really is BORING for many servers

SO lets get rid of it.
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i actually like this even tho i stopped reading half way thru ... but the thought is apreciated. however i dont see a need to get rid of the regular GW and i see people complaing all the times to get more events into the game (you complained so recently yourself). i dont like the idea of getting full bonuses for nothing, however i agree that guilds should have a minimum benefit for leveling up and the current rewards are kinda stingy like being able to open three more boxes... i mean come on make it 30 or unlimited, who cares? the goal should be to make them spend all the contributions in one day so they buy more gems to be able to open more boxes.
i would like to see the new event additional for guild rewards like guild contribution for example, so guilds can max faster techs and levels or to get permanent guild buffs like an extra 50% reputation rewards for example.

I'm more of the mindset that super guilds are a result of having no alliance systems where smaller guilds can gang up on larger guilds.

But I like this idea, though I think GW is fine as is.

Im bumping this thead since dawn asked for ideas about guild buffs and someone mentioned this post. I have updated the original post with a few minor changes

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Originally Posted by mattp169

Im bumping this thead since dawn asked for ideas about guild buffs and someone mentioned this post. I have updated the original post with a few minor changes

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little advice: don't say you where "bumping" just say you updated it :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829

little advice: don't say you where "bumping" just say you updated it :rolleyes:

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I understood what the intent was and ignored the 'bumping', but it is still valid advice.

I like this. I am on servers 30 and 100. Both have unbeatable guilds. So. GW on both foe me is, click on fight, garrison A. Round 1, we get wiped out, end of GW. Yes, I get rewards but it is boring and ultimately disheartening that one guild gets all the buffs and gets stronger. Add to that losing every day so quickly is the best way to drive players away. The uber guild on 30 has driven me off that server already. We lose GW first round, I never get to complete a sail, rag is an exercise in futility. The uber guild has all the top players so they are thee only ones who get benefits, there needs to be something to encourage the smaller players, the smaller guilds or each server will eventually end up with one super guild.

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Originally Posted by ladyash1974_9750695

I like this. I am on servers 30 and 100. Both have unbeatable guilds. So. GW on both foe me is, click on fight, garrison A. Round 1, we get wiped out, end of GW. Yes, I get rewards but it is boring and ultimately disheartening that one guild gets all the buffs and gets stronger. Add to that losing every day so quickly is the best way to drive players away. The uber guild on 30 has driven me off that server already. We lose GW first round, I never get to complete a sail, rag is an exercise in futility. The uber guild has all the top players so they are thee only ones who get benefits, there needs to be something to encourage the smaller players, the smaller guilds or each server will eventually end up with one super guild.

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so why don't you just join that guild and stop crying here

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Originally Posted by Joker

so why don't you just join that guild and stop crying here

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There are several reasons not to join the top guild.

You may dislike many players there and feel you would not enjoy the social aspect of being in that guild.
the guild may not like you
the guild may not have room for you and any people who want to come with you.
you may be a non coiner and have already used your one free realm change and the top guild is in another realm

so just joining the top guild is not always an option for everyone.

Joining into the top is also no fun... no sense of accomplishment being in a strong guild if that is how you got there.

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Originally Posted by mattp169

So I have been thinking about this alot.
GWF is a fail - Both the 1-10 version and the 11+ version.
It is glitched It really is BORING for many servers

SO lets get rid of it.

Attach the bonuses you obtain form the cities to your guild level. SO a level 3 guild gets 100 rep bonus level 4 guilds get 150% coin/credit bonus etc

Then in place of gwf we have Capture the Flag.

Similar idea to GWF at NPC status

There would be 8 levels of cities
Each level offers higher rewards and higher difficulty of challenges
As you guild level increases you are able to challenge higher level cities - just like there is now except there are level 1 and 2 cities to challenge
You have to pay guild contributions for your guild to participate. A level 1 city would cost 100 each level higher costs an additional 100 so a level 8 city would cost 800.

NOw the important concept is its not 1 city per level. Say there's 6 level 4 guilds on a server and they all want to go after a level 4 city - they all pay 400 contributions and each have their own level 4 city to go after. This is not a guild versus guild event its a event for a guild to work together to complete a task and win rewards.

Heres the specifics of how it works

We use the GWF screen
You have A through G
Players and NPCs have durability like we do now
G would hold a BOSS - type npc
These bosses would have a set form - like the lab - but there are multiple bosses each with their own unique form - abilities etc so that you cant just use any old form to beat this NPC - When you start Capture the Flag you see which boss IS AT G and before you march to G you can set form and runes. Damage done to the boss is cumulative- so it would take a whole guild to kill it.
The other npcs are just like the minion squads we fight in quests. nothing to special - but with enough of them at a high enough power to make it somewhat of a challenge to make capturing each point a challenge but not an insurmountable hill.
Guild starts at A
There are NPCs at B through G
As NPC s are defeated they go to G to heal for 3 rounds
As players are defeated they go to A to heal for 3 rounds
Each area does not give you a boost like it does now
D does heal both NPCs and players
If players do not attempt to capture a new area after 2 rounds 50% of the npcs at each of their locations advance on the next round
30 rounds max
Guild must control ALL areas - So if the guild is waiting at F for others to catch up for 2 rounds and march on the 3rd and capture G they must also defend F from the 50% of the NPCs who are advancing now on F due to the players not advancing to a new area for 2 rounds. And if the lose F while Capturing G They must recapture F
If G is captured by players yet NPCs are at F - Surviving Players are a G - Players killed are Back at A. NPCs defeated at G will not regenerate. Npcs at F wiil March on G the next round
If Players successfully defend G - GAME OVER players get rewards
If Players do not successfully defend G They are sent back to A to heal for 3 rounds. G regenerates all NPCs in the same 3 rounds after regeneration the NPCS will begin to march back towards B leaving behind the original NPCS at each location in an attempt to reset the board.
Only players online could participate.If a player NEVER leaves A they get no rewards

There would be participation rewards for anyone who is in the gwf, and then if you are successful everyone gets a completion rewards as well - sort of like pirates - 50% for trying the other 50% if you succeed.


Now this system opens up all types of ideas
1. no longer is gwf rewards guaranteed.
2, if the hosts knows certain players arent available that day for gwf, then they can chose an easier city
3. more players will have bonuses
4. this concept could possibly actually provide a challenge
5 rewards increase per level - so a level 4 city gives more rewards then a level 3 etc
6, power of the boss and minion npcs increase per level of city
7. Guilds can bid additional contributions for a multiplier on rewards
8. If the guild bids higher to get a multiplier on rewards the npcs also power up as wel


I think an idea like this has a lot of merit either as its own event or to replace to the current GWF

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some things i like here and some things i dont and its more of a NEW event then a change

because u go from pvp to pve which imo ruines the concept

i love to see this ADDED as a new event.. maybe change the rewards to something else then city's.

this looks like fun but how will this work for a guild that only has 3-4 players left? and is lvl 4-5.. cant beat boss coz its to strong?

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Originally Posted by smokingfox

some things i like here and some things i dont and its more of a NEW event then a change

because u go from pvp to pve which imo ruines the concept

i love to see this ADDED as a new event.. maybe change the rewards to something else then city's.

this looks like fun but how will this work for a guild that only has 3-4 players left? and is lvl 4-5.. cant beat boss coz its to strong?

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ok this is a valid point. - but lets examine why my idea even works for them.

And maybe some of this got left out of the original post so if it is sorry.

You have a guild that is level 5 and only has 4 members.
with my idea they now get all the buffs up to level 5. SO now they can get stronger.
They dont have to fight the toughest city every day. They can simply fight the easiest city - the level 1 - which 4-5 players who have been playing for a while and who now have the advantage of the city buffs should be able to take it down because a level 1 city would be set up for 10 or so players who just started the game to be a challenge but able to beat with a little work after a week or so of building up.
And now since city buffs are given out by guild level not by city this encourages players to be in different guilds and not feel tied down to the guild that has the city buffs. This encourages movement and can actually change the make up of realms and servers over time.

Now yes this changes an event that was designed to be PvP to PvE. Because the original concept is only working on a very few select servers. But this idea does not stop a new PvP guild versus guild event to be added, like the king of the hill idea I posted somewhere.

I am not saying that there should be no guild vs guild PvP. I am just saying that the way it is now does not work well, theres going to be too many people complaining about city buffs if you just tweak GWF. SO lets take all the arguments for not changing GWF off the table - THE BUFFS. Make the current GWF that we are all used to seeing different and then leave the door open for a new PvP guild versus guild event.

I think most agree that "super" guilds are the quickest way to kill a server. I personally really like some of the ideas in this thread for new events, and I think new events is much needed.

How about a quick short term fix being some sort of cumulative reward based on guild level, and then a cap put on the number of cities (3?) that a guild can own. This would also add an element of leadership to a guild to decide what is most needed for its members.

I play in a server that has one clearly donminant player who has a deal with the next strongest guild (potentially actually the strongest) that they be gifted one level 1 city and one level 2 city, and there will never be an actual battle between the guilds. Instead they battle against anyone else who challenges them. This approach has already killed off the #4 guild, and is now killing off the #3 guild.

Not sure why players are so keen to actively turn this into a farming game, but its an approach that drives a lot of players away from this game.

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Originally Posted by Joker

so why don't you just join that guild and stop crying here

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Who was crying? You need to get off your high horse. I made a statement of fact, just because it does not fit in with your coining mentality, tough. Now go and spend a few thousand more euro and stop whining.

+1

I like the idea. It's basically a PvE guild war / challenge.
(also, I don't think it necessarily has to replace GWs)

will rewards are good but not really i take the same thing as jkwongfi cuz thats a right deforth for armor and vela she gots npcs. she wants to get a diffrent credit of npcs as lvl 4 or lvl 2 is complete


1. armor power vigor power deput as a raglure AI then NPCS

Thank you for your reply but this is a very old thread.