New sanctification system needs changed asap

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Originally Posted by Boroeast

Where's that damn Like when you need it?

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I find this comment very offensive. I read these forums many times.. choosing when to comment. The people in question get 'told off' for trolling or for calling someone out etc etc. yet someone who is a mod can make a comment like that?... how rude! I figured the mods were more respectful than that.. shows those who are helpful in a very bad light when one calls a player ridiculous and the other wants to 'damn like' it.
I believe the forums are supposed to be a place where we can voice opinions. and tbh the frustrations are apparent if you ask my opinion. if we had more content.. maybe the said players would be in game instead of on the forums.
enough said.. but I would like to see the mod in question penalised for his trolling behaviour too.. cant have one rule for us and another for them.

Well said Karma.

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Originally Posted by Karma

I find this comment very offensive. I read these forums many times.. choosing when to comment. The people in question get 'told off' for trolling or for calling someone out etc etc. yet someone who is a mod can make a comment like that?... how rude! I figured the mods were more respectful than that.. shows those who are helpful in a very bad light when one calls a player ridiculous and the other wants to 'damn like' it.
I believe the forums are supposed to be a place where we can voice opinions. and tbh the frustrations are apparent if you ask my opinion. if we had more content.. maybe the said players would be in game instead of on the forums.
enough said.. but I would like to see the mod in question penalised for his trolling behaviour too.. cant have one rule for us and another for them.

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Not sure about the voicing opinions part. I saw a comment describing dawn's sarcasm as rude... and it got removed. This probably will be too.

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Originally Posted by VillainX

Whats so ridiculous about suggesting a different method of pricing for removal of saints may I ask dawn? I like the feature personally, but I agree with a lot of these points made here... Seems to me that because of OTHER posts this user has made that were against your rules, you devs and mods want to single out even the helpful or critical ones that are respectful.

"The answer is because they can rig the system this way. Even if they have no intention of rigging the system, the potential to rig and the potential to get extremely unlucky is there." Whether it is rigged or not doesn't change the fact that the potential to do so is there. Lets be honest... If you wanted to rig the system you could... that's what programmers have access to if they so chose... I believe what Matt was referring to is the possibility of getting the nothing but blue sancs on heroes that are very high in sainting already, and the cost to remove them... It IS indeed possible for that to happen. All he did was suggest an alternate method for gem pricing in removing said saints, and point out his point of view... one that apparently a few people agree with, including myself.

I also notice that theres been a ban now because BORO went into a thread that had already been closed by morgan, didnt like what he saw, decided to re-open the thread, PUBLICLY post that he was banning the guy, then did it, and closed the thread again. Seems to me like you guys have a mod problem not a player problem.

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the method suggested by matt can be exploited also by top players as they will get max saints or close to max and then start removing the unwanted ones intead of doing this earlier. ALso the current system involves a bit of luck as well so its good the way it is. Players asking for a change again is a classic example of how the devs cannot satisy everyone and players will be always complaining

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Originally Posted by Joker

the method suggested by matt can be exploited also by top players as they will get max saints or close to max and then start removing the unwanted ones intead of doing this earlier. ALso the current system involves a bit of luck as well so its good the way it is. Players asking for a change again is a classic example of how the devs cannot satisy everyone and players will be always complaining

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I am unsure what you call "exploiting"... Removing saints at the cost of gems encourages coining and further customization. How is this an exploit? Suggesting that the worst saints cost more to remove instead of it being based on level will equal out the same way on sales for them in the end anyway, as its expensive to do it at low sanc levels not only high. All this suggestion does is make sense of an idea that can be built upon in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by g346007_1906957

Not sure about the voicing opinions part. I saw a comment describing dawn's sarcasm as rude... and it got removed. This probably will be too.

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I have never once called anyone a name on here.. i was referring to boro's actions not dawns. and if this isnt where we voice opinions.. then where do we?

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Originally Posted by VillainX

I am unsure what you call "exploiting"... Removing saints at the cost of gems encourages coining and further customization. How is this an exploit? Suggesting that the worst saints cost more to remove instead of it being based on level will equal out the same way on sales for them in the end anyway, as its expensive to do it at low sanc levels not only high. All this suggestion does is make sense of an idea that can be built upon in my opinion.

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Yea but the cost is high now as you go up, right now you have 2 option either not level up you sancity and wait for the ones you want or just keep going up and then remove some later for a higher cost. But if its changed to waht is suggested players will only go up first and then remove theri saints and most will have very good saints on thier heroes

EDIT: for example once someone maxes theri saint they won't touch them now cause the cost is high but if its changed they will start removing saits to get maybe get more crit or dodge saints in or something like that.

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Originally Posted by Joker

Yea but the cost is high now as you go up, right now you have 2 option either not level up you sancity and wait for the ones you want or just keep going up and then remove some later for a higher cost. But if its changed to waht is suggested players will only go up first and then remove theri saints and most will have very good saints on thier heroes

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OK, lets be honest. By even adding the option to remove single saints Tynon has already made this possible. If a coiner that decides he wants to have a hero with 5 dodge saintings, and spends the money to make it happen, it can happen now EVEN if it were left like it is. I still fail to see why you referred to this as exploitable.

I would like to thank all of you who supported me.

Dawnseeker, I was not trying to be ridiculous. I was trying to actually help uCool out.

When people start getting nothing but blues at AA level and up, people are going to feel like the system is rigged. Its a fact of life. Im bringing up the point now to maybe give uCool the ability to change things now to avoid the onslaught of negative reactions you may get in the future.

But calling any player's opinion that was well thought out and reasonable voiced and agreed with by others "ridiculous" is quite unprofessional. You could have simply said "I assure you we are not rigging the system in any way".

Then after calling my comment ridiculous I was banned by a mod makes uCool look guilty of censoring things they dont want people to know and gives the company an bad public image. I may be harsh and critical, I may be wrong at times. Somedays my comments may even be out of line. But all I am trying to do is make a game I enjoy be better.

Fortunately I think Dawnseeker gets this and did reverse my ban - so many kudos for him.

And to reiterate one more time - the new sainting system is an improvement over the old system and a step in the right direction - but i would prefer the cost of saint removal be tied to the saints themselves and not the saint level of the hero. If i got 4 blues at AA level I dont think I should have to pay more gems to remove those blues then if I received them at Saint level.

Once again thank you all for your support and thanks Dawn for being reasonable and lifting my ban

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Originally Posted by Joker

the method suggested by matt can be exploited also by top players as they will get max saints or close to max and then start removing the unwanted ones intead of doing this earlier. ALso the current system involves a bit of luck as well so its good the way it is. Players asking for a change again is a classic example of how the devs cannot satisy everyone and players will be always complaining

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Exploited means something else... but that might be a way it would be used. I think they would still remove saints early to increase the odds of successful saints.

Anything that involves luck is good the way it is?

I agree not everybody could be satisfied... doesn't mean they can't look for the best compromise to help the majority of the people.