you can still transfer them to a new hero to clear it out. sucks if you have a lot of stars, but if you don't it's a cheaper option that the gems usually.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy
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you can still transfer them to a new hero to clear it out. sucks if you have a lot of stars, but if you don't it's a cheaper option that the gems usually.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy
I tried a bunch of transfer today... has the rate of good saints been reduced? I literally transferred back and forth between 2 heroes 3 times because I got mainly blues and whites each time... down to only a few saints now (and apparently +12 hit rate is gold). Not sure if I was just unlucky, or if they are trying to punish the transfer option as well.
Thanks. I am kind of powerless right now because none of the moderator privileges have been turned on.Quote:
Originally Posted by mattp169
I am not talking about a transfer, but to start the hero clean like we were able to do before. If I do not like the Saints on one hero and what to get rid of them why would I want to transfer them to another?Quote:
Originally Posted by DrthCaedus
Transferring randomizes the saints. So even if you had all white on the hero, they could become gold (theoretically) to the hero you transfer it to. You could then transfer them back like I tried to do... and hopefully with better luck than I had. So as long as you don't care about stars and coins, transferring is better than resetting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy
Every time you transfer you lose saint levels. Unless you pay with a ton of gems. For people who have Arach Angels and above, this is a very expensive endeavor. I guess if you dislike your saints so much that you want to start fresh and don't care about losing a few saints, it is a method to use.. only coins. But you also lose your stars too. For those who have 10+ stars, this can be very painful and expensive to transfer back and fourth.Quote:
Originally Posted by g346007_1906957
Yep and I"m in this context just using it to reference the ability to clear a hero for relatively low cost of they hate all the saints.Quote:
Originally Posted by skinz1111_6095251
yes, i was thinking about that and forgot to add it. and just to emphasize it, my list would simplify instead of confuse things and since its raised gems slightly in the lower end and is less "scary" in the upper end, it would also make people spend more gems in the end (they may even remove saints earlier before they get into a new bracket and decide to just go with it)Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy
so it should look like this:
cost remove ALL saints for free
cost removal any saint 1-5 at 5 gems each
cost removal any half angel 1-5 at 15 gems each
cost removal any angel 1-5 30 gems each and so on...
I believe the cost system is fine as it is.
They removed the "reset" option so players wouldn't just easily start from scratch and build the hero they want.
If they're already of moderate saint level, they need to pay to remove their saints.
The tavern is rigged. Right? So why wouldn't anything else be rigged? Besides the mods, who thinks the tavern isn't rigged?
Having had a 90% saint fail today under the newly implemented system and having suffered star failure at 100% rigging is not only possible but is highly likely. Just because it's "intended" doesn't mean it isn't rigged. Intentional use of loaded dice is still rigged. Intentional use of magnets to control the roulette wheel is still rigged. Intentional Use of game code to nullify a players choice makes it a rigged game. Don't even try to justify it in any way.
As they have already "intentionally" implemented a rigged system into the game, why would anyone NOT expect more?
Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.
Colonel Mustard
If it failed at 100% open a ticket. Make sure you include the server and your game name in that server in the information provided. Be as specific as possible including the approximate date and server time when it happen. If you have any evidence, such as screen captures, attach it to the ticket.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPAWN_901238
Andy, you edited the post with your response and that confused me for a bit.
On the other subject... rigged isn't the same as predetermined. Rigged implies they were set up a certain way in order to accomplish something (supposedly make more money). While predetermined strings, set up at random is still random.
I am so tired of hearing that the tavern is rigged. I would like some one to tell me how it is. As far as I can see it is working as designed. There are some very low odds of getting a purple hero and even lower of getting a gold one, but that does not mean that it is rigged. The loaded dice and magnet in the roulette wheel analogy does not apply because those are designed to lower the natural odds. There are no neutral odds on a computer game because they are determined by the program, but in some cases there are stared odds.Quote:
Originally Posted by swifty_6963349
There are no stated odds in the tavern so there is no way to say that it is rugged because whatever the odds are is what they are supposed to be.
On sanctification there are stated odds. To prove that the stated odds are not what is actually happening you need a statistically significant sample, and that is not 10 or 50 or even 100. I am not a statistician, but it is probably in the thousands if you want a high degree of confidence, say 98 or 99 percent, that your results are valid.
The choice is made when the shuffle is done NOT when the player chooses.
That was admitted to a long time ago. I CBA to look it up but the oldtimers know who said it and when.
Do you honestly believe that when 3 purple and gold show up, with 1 blue and a grey to round it out, that the odds favor the grey being chosen?
Probably 99,999 out of 100k times that combo comes up the GREY will be the one selected. Bad luck? Not hardly.
Andy, the tavern IS rigged. It seems that everybody but you know about it.
You just admitted that it's rigged. Yes you did. Don't deny it. Stay away from that river.
If it isn't rigged then the percentages for each card would be exactly the same. You admitted that they aren't Any alteration of those percentages means it's rigged.
Thus the dice and roulette analogies are correct. The code is weighted in favor of greys.
Four blue and 1 grey and I get grey. I HAVE had 4 gold/pink and 1 grey and I get the grey.
Haven't you noticed how the gold/pink move 1 slot away yet the grey will move across the board to be selected?
That isn't suspicious to you?
Get a CLUE.
Colonel Mustard
p.s. Who better than me to know a CLUE when I see one?
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Originally Posted by swifty_6963349
You have a misunderstanding of how the odds of a card draw are calculated. Each hero has a set draw rate say Cianna is 10% of the time she shows up she will be selected, but for a more rare hero say Adam only .5% of the time he shows up he will be selected. It is not 20% for each card that shows up, but instead a set % for each card stretching across every time it shows up.
Are you saying that anything in the game is rigged if it does not behave the way you what it to? I will grant that having the card flip as a graphic is some what misleading but that does not make it rigged. Look at my definition of rigged. The dictionary says "To manipulate fraudulently". How can the behavior that the game intended to have be fraudulently?Quote:
Originally Posted by swifty_6963349
Loaded dice aren't rigged either so long as it's not stated as 1/6 each then...
Well... doesn't matter what we call it. We all know tavern is predetermined with low odds in getting good cards. Btw, saints are predetermined as well. Think somewhere on this thread I said I didn't think they were, but apparently I didn't know what I was talking about (friend recently convinced me).
This has been understood for some time. Your saint progression is predetermined. Previously when you reset your saints you were put on a new randomized path.Quote:
Originally Posted by g346007_1906957
Pre-determined = rigged.
Weighted percentage = rigged.
What we select at the draw isn't what WE select. It's already been decided before we make a selection. That = rigged.
By setting low percentages for certain cards then that IS rigged.
When cards appear before the shuffle they should all have an equal chance of being selected by the player. They don't.
The game selects the winning card. Not the player. That is rigged. A pre-determined outcome isn't chance.
That a player is "lucky" to get a good card isn't in dispute. But it isn't the players choice that determines the luck.
"You have a misunderstanding of how the odds of a card draw are calculated."
No, I don't.
We are NOT given a choice. Do you not understand that?
What we select is NOT our choice. What appears there is chosen by the game. Not by us.
That equals rigged.
If, when we entered the tavern we were told "here's your card," would you consider that a choice?
That IS what is happening now. Only it's dressed up a bit more than that.
That doesn't change the fact that the card is selected before we choose a spot in the game.
That IS a rigged game.
The only choice we truly have in the tavern is how to spend our spirits.
The tavern "game" isn't even a game. Except in the sense that we are being "gamed."
Colonel Mustard
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Originally Posted by swifty_6963349
It is not rigged...the outcome is determined the moment you click refresh based on a specific algorithm that Tynon has programmed into the game.
It is no more rigged than any game of chance with set odds (bingo, lottery, etc.). The fact is that it has never been stated that we had a "choice" all it ever told us is that we could flip over a card. The choice is something that you assumed. Rigged implies malice and ill intent, Tynon has displayed none of that. predetermined does not equal rigged.
I think when most people say "rigged" they mean "it is not behaving in the way that the interface leads me to believe".
i think its the best thing no more fails :) just keep adding to 100% and its good :)
If it is decided when we refresh then what you choose makes no difference. None at all. If that doesn't fit the definition of rigged then nothing does.
That IS a rigged system. What you choose makes no difference. You yourself just said that. The refresh determines the pick.
When you click on a card that is NOT choosing. There was no choice made on your part. When you "pick" a card you get shown what the game picked for you.
YOU DON"T MAKE THE SELECTION. THE GAME DOES. THAT IS RIGGED.
You want to argue semantics. They want your money. That's it.
Why do you say they have no malice in their intent?
You assume the best of intentions for the devs. Why? Are they not as capable of greed as anyone else?
Why bother with hiding the results? Why not just show the card you get when you go into the tavern?
I see it as a deception. You don't. They hide the pick then "reveal" it to you. Why? It's NOT a game if the winner is known ahead of time.
That's called cheating in any sport I've ever played or watched or heard of. People go to jail for it. Or get elected.
Fair play doesn't matter. That's why sink and pass is allowed. It's a bannable offense but they allow it anyway.
"We'll investigate but because of privacy concerns we won't tell you if we do anything."
Which is doublespeak for complain all you want. We won't do anything to stop it.
How do I know that? Because I see it all day every day on several servers.
You must lose a lot at 3 card monty. That's rigged too.
I'm done here.
It's like talking to Obama supporters. You show them the truth and they blame YOU and everyone else.
Colonel Mustard
Credits are needed to flip cards. So it is basically free you are not spending money hence rigged does not come into play. A lot of fuss over nothing I would say.Quote:
Originally Posted by jweb_4_8938282
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Originally Posted by jweb_4_8938282
*sigh* ignorance...what you gonna do.
*puts on tin foil hat*
Not sure if this clears things up, but the reason I don't feel it is rigged is because it is the same for everybody. If the game intentionally gave their favourite players better predetermined strings... then it might be rigged, but there's no evidence of that.
I hate to break this to you, but your choice makes no difference in any chance-related situation in any game. The game always determines the odds and provides you with the choices. If you chose the "right" card, it is only because the game put that card there. The point is that you have the same chance to win as anyone else, and there's no secret plan to keep you from getting heroes. It's not rigged, but it is a video game, not actual cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by jweb_4_8938282