Removing Smoulder's Nerf

As most of us know, Smoulder is considered one of the weakest gold heroes.

This is because aside from a mage's built-in miss rate, Smoulder has a 50% magic attack damage reduction.

This means that if your magic damage is 60k, Smoulder will only do 30k, not including magic defense stats of the enemy.

I believe this nerf is not needed anymore, considering the amount of damage the Adamantis, Aphrodites, Bloodstorms, Lances, etc do.

Removing the 50% magic attack nerf will make Smoulder a competitive gold hero again, seeing use by some players.

I always thought Smoulder was always weak xD

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Originally Posted by SaviorOfLight_4592723

I always thought Smoulder was always weak xD

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Same here. Then I finally tested and found out about the 50% magic damage nerf he has.

I don't think its a nerf. Different skills use different coefficients of the heroes magic or skill attack. In addition to Horns of Hell, Swift Prye and Warcry are examples of other skills/attacks that have a damage coefficient of less than 1. Thousand strikes has a damage coefficient of approximately 1 （hard to tell for sure for skill attacks, because there is a damage multiplier based on physical attack as well), while skills like Driving Blow, Rallying Strike, and Piercing Thrust have damage coefficients of greater than 1.

When did they nerf him. For him to have been nerfed, Horns of Hell would have had to have done more damage in the first place.

The light damage would be palatable if the hit rate was improved imo

Just make the coefficient scale by level. The reason for the nerf is because Smoulder is too powerful in the lower levels when adamanti cannot do constant skill damage.

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Originally Posted by koja6049

Just make the coefficient scale by level. The reason for the nerf is because Smoulder is too powerful in the lower levels when adamanti cannot do constant skill damage.

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Perhaps the damage reduction should be tied to the 'set of 6' similar to the reduce lost of Morale.

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Originally Posted by Andy

Perhaps the damage reduction should be tied to the 'set of 6' similar to the reduce lost of Morale.

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Yes, I think this is a good idea :) . Maybe all mage skills should tie to the sets too, then maybe one can get more stuns with shayd as the set level goes up

Why change him now? He sucks , always did , no point in messing with it now, lost all faint in Mages in Tynon world back in July, just move on and let Smoulder the suck die the death that he deserves.

To be clear, Smoulder was never nerfed. Not every hero uses the same damage coefficient when calculating their skill strength. Smoulder is on the low end of this coefficient, because his base damage is high. In other words, he does a lot of damage early on, but doesn't scale as well with gear. This is intentional.

I do agree with the point that having the 6-piece bonus help mages more would be advantageous as it could extend their usefulness. Overall, I think mages are a bit behind at the top levels.

Thanks for your reply Dawn. I think current mages should not be altered, and that adding 6-set bonuses to mages would throw off the game balance. At best, maybe Tynon can double the Magic Attack bonus from the 6-set bonus, and NOT tweak anything else, like stun rate, hit rate, damage coefficient, etc. How about Tynon adds some new mages to fill, "niche," roles? In the current game, physical characters are your primary damage dealers and tanks, while mages either play a support rule or fill a certain niche that makes them useful in certain situations. For example, Smoulder provides good firepower to lower-middle power character, Shayd can keep a boss stunned, Mulan can reach target behind the tank, and Queen Bryn gives a chance at stunning multiple heroes. Suddenly improving mages drastically may throw the game off balance. Mages are there for utility, support, and to fill niches, and in exchange for their special powers, they are not as strong as physical characters. That is the way the game should be. Instead of improving current mages, we could instead ask for new mages that provide our parties with new abilities and powers.

For example, mages that can buff friendlies or debuff hostiles could be added to the game.

Debuffer- attack mage with a AOE attack that does light damage but has a chance to apply a debuff to enemies, such as reduced damage or added miss rate.
Buffer- support mage that adds a buff to the whole party every turn, such as improved defenses or improved attack or improved stats such as dodge, crit rate, etc.

How do I avoid taking HEROES which, I believe, are being forced /pushed on me Cairne, for example. I"VE GOT A TANK; Themistocles, but it seems that Dude is trying to force me to take another one! Maybe I should-but you know how it is; when they seem to force it on you, you definitely don't want it!
I wouldn't mind so much if I thought I could dump him later. But I don't know how.It's like he gets to be family. I've got ENOUGH family! But seriously, Is there a way to dump one you've got or avoid being forced to take one you don't want?

A long time ago, we had support in the game that added morale to your entire party and/or lowered the morale of the entire enemy party. That might be interesting to bring back.

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Originally Posted by Dawnseeker

A long time ago, we had support in the game that added morale to your entire party and/or lowered the morale of the entire enemy party. That might be interesting to bring back.

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doesn't herja do the same ?

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Originally Posted by Dawnseeker

A long time ago, we had support in the game that added morale to your entire party and/or lowered the morale of the entire enemy party. That might be interesting to bring back.

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Dawnseeker, we have those in the game at the moment…
Are you even playing it?
Also mages are still not the best pick against those heroes.

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Originally Posted by Joker

doesn't herja do the same ?

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Yes, exactly like Herja. :)

I don't have her so I forgot about her. Derp.

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Originally Posted by Dawnseeker

A long time ago, we had support in the game that added morale to your entire party and/or lowered the morale of the entire enemy party. That might be interesting to bring back.

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Was her name Herja by any chance? ;)

So which is better? Smolder or Dawnbringer.

Two totally different heros. It depends on the formation you are facing. DB hits across a line so that if they are not lined up one next to each other she is not effective. Smo can hit everyone, but his hit rate is low.

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Originally Posted by Dawnseeker

To be clear, Smoulder was never nerfed. Not every hero uses the same damage coefficient when calculating their skill strength. Smoulder is on the low end of this coefficient, because his base damage is high. In other words, he does a lot of damage early on, but doesn't scale as well with gear. This is intentional.

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I don't understand why you would willingly make a gold hero more and more useless as the game progresses. In my opinion, all heroes should be useful at all points in the game. It would be interesting to see formations that do not rely on Adam to be effective.

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Originally Posted by Dawnseeker

Yes, exactly like Herja. :)

I don't have her so I forgot about her. Derp.

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Which heroes do you use Dawn? Just curious.