Is GW a source of dissatisfaction for you?

Recently, a lot of people have suggested that Guild Warfare be changed.

Here are some of the suggestions:

Some people are unhappy with guilds teaming up to dominate:
http://bbs.tynon.com/showthread.php?...d-Wars-an-idea

Some people are unhappy with ubber guilds dominating a server
http://bbs.tynon.com/showthread.php?...ag-replace-gwf

And many people, notably Herby, suggested that guilds should be able to hold a limited amount of cities.

Guild Warfare seems to be a total failure and a major cause for people quitting a server in all servers except 1-10.

So here's poll. The question is simple: Is GW a source of dissatisfaction for you?

I don't want people to state why in the poll. I just want to survey the level of dissatisfaction with GW. However, feel free to post your reasons by commenting on this thread.

I'm not sure I like the fact that this was moved here. Yes, there is a section for GW, but most people don't read it, which is why I posted under General Discussion.

EDIT: Nevermind, people can still see it in general discussion.

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Originally Posted by ChickenWing

I'm not sure I like the fact that this was moved here. Yes, there is a section for GW, but most people don't read it, which is why I posted under General Discussion.

EDIT: Nevermind, people can still see it in general discussion.

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It's simple really. Too many threads are being created in General Discussion and there is somewhat of a jam. So if threads can be moved to less cluttered forums people are more likely to find them. Especially with the Merge thread being so active.

I click 'new posts'
pretty much lets me see whats active and hot at the moment - the scrolling through threads esp gen discussion is too time consuming

GW for me imo is fine as it is ... we get the rewards for the cities we have fought for, now youre asking for us to throw away our efforts?
I dont think so

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Originally Posted by davidschlebusch_6020359

GW for me imo is fine as it is ... we get the rewards for the cities we have fought for, now youre asking for us to throw away our efforts?
I dont think so

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I'm in the dominant guild on my server, and I find it quite boring. Yes, we put a lot of effort into winning, and I don't like the result quite frankly. From my point of view, it's a matter of keeping the competition alive.

The buffs are great (but when 1 guild has them people leave)
YES the rewards every night fighting are worth signing on for,
But... Enter at 7pm click B wait, snooze make a samwich click A.... done. If nothing else make it more interesting.

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Originally Posted by Jewels

I click 'new posts'
pretty much lets me see whats active and hot at the moment - the scrolling through threads esp gen discussion is too time consuming

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So do I, much easier. However, when it comes to looking or searching for threads that haven't been posted in since your last visit this is where the problems start, since even threads on GD created that day end on up on the second page :).

Back on topic. I won't be voting for either because either you keep it as a PvP style event and one person or guild will dominate or you change it to a PvE and there will be some who will comment on the lack of PvP.

Can't win really.

Also wanted to add - looks like we have had 2 straight weeks of toons being in the place they were put in, in battle planning so Kudo's tynon for the fix.
Altho now its even more boring without the 'tynon' factor lol

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Originally Posted by Morgan le Fay

So do I, much easier. However, when it comes to looking or searching for threads that haven't been posted in since your last visit this is where the problems start, since even threads on GD created that day end on up on the second page :).

Back on topic. I won't be voting for either because either you keep it as a PvP style event and one person or guild will dominate or you change it to a PvE and there will be some who will comment on the lack of PvP.

Can't win really.

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Yes youcan
its simple
assign the buffs to guild level.
Keep gwf as is except your not fighting over a city/buff your fighting for rewards only cred/coin/exp/rep/contib

Both guilds get a participation reward equal; to what er get already - winning guild gets a small bonus

Thats the first stop gap measure to fixing the entire situation. Then the devs can work on making the pvp gwf thing interesting - after some new content maybe

Won't matter Matt, people play to win regardless. They will still pick the 'winning' side.

However got to give you kudos on a well thought out idea.

kinda disagree there Morgan - if say mattp's plan had been in place - those guilds who lost 80% of their members cause 1 guild on our server became dominant would stay cause they had invested in their guild and were lvl4-5-6 guilds - they quit cause of the buffs imo

I agree with matt too.

If you shoot in all directions, you'll miss a lot, but sometimes you'll hit something.
That's what Matt has been doing lol
He's been suggesting a lot of ideas. Many were bad.
But this one is good!

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Originally Posted by Jewels

kinda disagree there Morgan - if say mattp's plan had been in place - those guilds who lost 80% of their members cause 1 guild on our server became dominant would stay cause they had invested in their guild and were lvl4-5-6 guilds - they quit cause of the buffs imo

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Seen it with similar guild models in other games. Whoever was the big bad tended to have all the players-nature of the beast really. Buffs are the symptom rather than the cause.

There is no way to answer the poll because Guild Wars works different in servers 1-10 from the other server, and the issues are similar but different.

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Originally Posted by Morgan le Fay

Won't matter Matt, people play to win regardless. They will still pick the 'winning' side.

However got to give you kudos on a well thought out idea.

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ahh but you see there is no real wining side

in my idea lets say teh participation rewards are 4m coins 2m cred
teh winning guild gets an additional 1m coin 500k creds.

thats not a lot to squawk over.

But now you have all those smaller guilds who refuse to merge in to the big guild who suddenly have the buffs, and can build. Starting to make them little guilds tougher and tougher to beat in gwf. Then when you got 4 of them all coming after you and you have to split your forces.

Thats the beauty of this very simple idea. every one becomes a winner. until such time they come up with something actually interesting to do for guild pvp. Everyone get to build more. If your tired of the people in your guild and want a change you can now do so without punishment of losing those city buffs. How many people you think are sitting in guilds only because of the buffs, but who like talking to the people in other guilds much better. Theres lots of different mind sets out there. But i think less are going to flock to an uber guild over a few creds/coins every day - where as going to them for these massive buffs is a no brainer and people will do that all day long.

I personally think everything should be changed to fix the problem of healthy competition in pvp and to make this game more sustainable, Ive outlined many ideas in the forums.some of them seem outlandish. But the underlying problem with teh game structure is the realms guilds and gwf. uCool recognized this early on and changed gwf on 11+. But that made the situation worse instead of better. its high time we throw out this outdated notion of guilds and realms and this boring idea of gwf pvp. revamp the whole thing - make things more competitive on all servers. Cater to the people who have been playing this game forever. Dont take things away give us new things. Give everyone the city buffs. Give everyone something new to do.

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Originally Posted by ChickenWing

Recently, a lot of people have suggested that Guild Warfare be changed.

Here are some of the suggestions:

Some people are unhappy with guilds teaming up to dominate:
http://bbs.tynon.com/showthread.php?...d-Wars-an-idea

Some people are unhappy with ubber guilds dominating a server
http://bbs.tynon.com/showthread.php?...ag-replace-gwf

And many people, notably Herby, suggested that guilds should be able to hold a limited amount of cities.

Guild Warfare seems to be a total failure and a major cause for people quitting a server in all servers except 1-10.

So here's poll. The question is simple: Is GW a source of dissatisfaction for you?

I don't want people to state why in the poll. I just want to survey the level of dissatisfaction with GW. However, feel free to post your reasons by commenting on this thread.

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The biggest problem with guild wars is anyone can make multiple dupes, then have their dupes join the guild warfare. They do not have to be online for this battle. They can just sit station in the defense window. I disagree with this method. Yes even my most powerful player is afk during guild wares. But if he isn't there to "defend" then way does the game put him in since he didn't "Fight" sort to speak. Join should still be the same but if the player doesn't click the fight button it shouldn't place the said player in the city. They do not gain rewards anyway. So I don't understand the point of this. This would create for more fair fights. It would also make guild wars a bit more enjoyable with more active players being required to be atk during the war. Nothing really needs to be changed but this.

Actually creating alts to defend is not time savvy (no time to build them up to be a factor - they die easy) So this method of 'defending is pointless imo - #1 guilds don't even have afks in play (they sit in G) guild takes A in one move. right?

The guild I have been fighting don't even bother, We have to go straight to g over and over till it ends. 22 users or something like that.

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Originally Posted by Jewels

Actually creating alts to defend is not time savvy (no time to build them up to be a factor - they die easy) So this method of 'defending is pointless imo - #1 guilds don't even have afks in play (they sit in G) guild takes A in one move. right?

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Basically she is saying that the uber guild need not bother wasting time defending, as they will all be sitting in G no matter what, and her entire guild cannot break it. There is something wrong with that lol

I agree, there is to much dead time on the game. In my realm players are quitting because there's nothing to do. even for me im afk most of the day because 30 mins in the morning im done. the quest monsters are two strong. also with the rag fights why not do them in division say D 1. 100000 and under
D2. 100001 - 5000000
D3. 500001 -10 mil and so on and so on. As for GW why can the city be for each realm and a few city's for that server. that way you still have city's for the lesser powered guild and still city's that all the realms can fight after. but for me the main problem for the game is to much dead time. lower the power of the quest bosses. that will help give more time in the game and when players are playing more then there's more money being made. another thing is the rune temple, If I get the legendary rune keeper I want some thing good not some low power rune. the legendary keeper cost a lot and it not right to hand out a low power rune. Put in some more events for the day are more quest, such as mini quest. May like a side story on the people in the town. Where did they come from. How did they get to this city of tynon . Who is Shayd how did she come to be a mage. These story's could be the key to all the dead time.

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Originally Posted by mattp169

Then when you got 4 of them all coming after you and you have to split your forces.

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Matt, I actually like your plan, however you're wrong with this comment. You propose no reward for holding more cities, the reward is tied to guild level, and then additional for winning your battle. So why would anyone split their forces?

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Originally Posted by roy.ant_8586481

Matt, I actually like your plan, however you're wrong with this comment. You propose no reward for holding more cities, the reward is tied to guild level, and then additional for winning your battle. So why would anyone split their forces?

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To deny the opposition bonus rewards for winning a battle. If you win all 4 battles, then your guild is the only guild getting the bonus.

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Originally Posted by mattp169

Yes youcan
its simple
assign the buffs to guild level.
Keep gwf as is except your not fighting over a city/buff your fighting for rewards only cred/coin/exp/rep/contib

Both guilds get a participation reward equal; to what er get already - winning guild gets a small bonus

Thats the first stop gap measure to fixing the entire situation. Then the devs can work on making the pvp gwf thing interesting - after some new content maybe

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Give the winning team an extra sail :D. I'd prefer sailing over additional rewards for winning...I just like the sea.

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Originally Posted by Pirate_1360826

To deny the opposition bonus rewards for winning a battle. If you win all 4 battles, then your guild is the only guild getting the bonus.



Give the winning team an extra sail :D. I'd prefer sailing over additional rewards for winning...I just like the sea.

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See i think you get it as well. Keep the reward for the winning guild small. It must be significant enough to make it worth doing, but not so big (like the city buffs) to give the winning guild significant advantage so noone else stands a chance

How about some new content first? I hope they are not wasting their time messing with GWs as we have been waiting for new content for some time now. Keep GWs as it is.

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Originally Posted by Deucalion

Basically she is saying that the uber guild need not bother wasting time defending, as they will all be sitting in G no matter what, and her entire guild cannot break it. There is something wrong with that lol

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We actually beat them last night finally. But the point I was trying to make is you can just go afk and not have a war or entertainment with anyone. Isnt this what this game is about? Entertainment. What the point of everyone is afk. Force them to be atks to do war. I want to play a game with other people not just win. Btw this is the first time in a long time we have won.

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Originally Posted by mattp169

Yes youcan
its simple
assign the buffs to guild level.
Keep gwf as is except your not fighting over a city/buff your fighting for rewards only cred/coin/exp/rep/contib

Both guilds get a participation reward equal; to what er get already - winning guild gets a small bonus

Thats the first stop gap measure to fixing the entire situation. Then the devs can work on making the pvp gwf thing interesting - after some new content maybe

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I'm fine with city buffs, but with a caveat. Currently the city buffs are way, way, way too strong (and out of balance with other buffs like the guild tech ones). Just one reputation city is equivalent to 30000 guild contribution worth of reputation bonuses in guild tech (lv 4 loyalty card cost 30000 to get a 20% bonus at 5% per level). That's 1500 gems worth of guild tech bonus in one city. Make the rep cities 5% each (like the loyalty card tech), and make the coins cities 10% each (like devoutness)... And nerf other cities accordingly. The lv 5 city buff is probably one of the more balanced city buffs imo.

What this would accomplish is that it would make the buffs a small (but nice perk), but nothing too demoralizing to quit the game over if you don't get them.

all i know is the "new" gw is going to make more poeple quit then anything else

I think mattp has put his 'gw' idea in every thread :)

I also think that the buffs should be based on guild lvl not on the cities
make gw's a great strategy game with additional perks (and the current rewards for participation)

as is? this new 'balancing act' not a balance imo - just gonna be swappin cities nightly once the guild with the most cities get rid of the reps, lol
and please - have a undo button for Koleton!

While i think there are alot of great ideas here, the point is futile. The new GWs make it so you cannot win without losing. Seems like it will end up in the same scenario..being camped in B because you know you will lose. And if the only time to fight is after you have lost, I think you will find many still not logging in. We were looking for some action, not a total wipeout of all our hard work. We recruit the top players so we can be the best guild. If a guild of alts can just walk in and take over, what's the point?

tynon pls tell me how u gonna lost durability when u win a fight??? this is bs and unbalance i ever c in all online game.wy do i want to pay to get super power????also this new gw change will help ppl to make a ton **** of alts.....tell me how good u run ya business????

To be honest this poll was set up pre-patch and now it's changed it really has no relevance, therefore I shall close this thread. If you wish to express an opinion it's best done here http://bbs.tynon.com/showthread.php?...onship-Warfare and there is a poll to cast your vote too. :)