Heaven palace setups

ive looked at all the post containing anything about the HP, but didnt find any reliable info.

i know the time for the HP is different each server for when it sets it up, but any idea to guaranteed a spot in the top 10? any idea on how the palace determins who goes in? ive heard people say you need to refresh with the formation you want to say, ive heard that it takes bainsh form, ive heard that you have to attack the top 4 in the arena several times before it might take the spot, ive heard before 11 pm.

i usually set up for the palace right after baal, i use a different formation in rag and GWs. but once palace comes, it doesnt use neither of those formations or a random one. and its different for each week. are heroes and formation picked at different times?

I think heavens palace needs change and it shouldnt do it based on arena rank at all, it should do it based on the strongest players INSIDE the realm they are. Like on my server. The other 2 realms "CHEAT" and drop people down so they can gain 100 score. I am so sick of this. Its not fair to the rest of the little people. Yes I call it cheating. I dont even bother with HP Anymore. IT ISN'T worth my time. Its boring.

they way the pick the people *if only 3 realms* is the top 3 in arena and 1 that is in 4th place. I don't know if they rotate the realms on the last spot or if its random, never payed attention. The way the figure out you formation is at midnight, they use the last time you fought in arena, weather you won or lost. So if you where in baal formation and at top 3, and someone hit you, and that is the last time that day that you where hit, no did you hit anyone else, if you are still in top 3, then that is the formation that is used for hp.

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Originally Posted by heathermh1998_32327

they way the pick the people *if only 3 realms* is the top 3 in arena and 1 that is in 4th place. I don't know if they rotate the realms on the last spot or if its random, never payed attention. The way the figure out you formation is at midnight, they use the last time you fought in arena, weather you won or lost. So if you where in baal formation and at top 3, and someone hit you, and that is the last time that day that you where hit, no did you hit anyone else, if you are still in top 3, then that is the formation that is used for hp.

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the 10th place is the strongest 4th place between the 3 realms. No idea how it works on 1-10 lol

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Originally Posted by KimmiKiss_7957669

I think heavens palace needs change and it shouldnt do it based on arena rank at all, it should do it based on the strongest players INSIDE the realm they are. Like on my server. The other 2 realms "CHEAT" and drop people down so they can gain 100 score. I am so sick of this. Its not fair to the rest of the little people. Yes I call it cheating. I dont even bother with HP Anymore. IT ISN'T worth my time. Its boring.

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We do this on our server, and it's meant to help the smaller players catch up with the bigger ones. It's just healthy for a server to do that. No big player benefits from this, but all the medium and small players gain a huge advantage because they get the rewards too.

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Originally Posted by DrthCaedus

the 10th place is the strongest 4th place between the 3 realms. No idea how it works on 1-10 lol

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on 1-10 they only chose top 2 of the arena from each of the 5 realms

The formations that take the spots before around 10.30 pm server time get in arena.
If you want a certain formation in Heaven Palace, you need to take the spot in arena with that formation.
If you get hit when you have the spot, the formation will reset to the one currently held at that time.
If you hit a stake or fight someone else, the formation will reset the the formation that you are holding at that time.
(though there is a glitch at work that will put in the reserve instead of main in these cases, if they are unlocked)

If you want a certain formation in Heaven palace, you need to take the spot with that formation and not have any arena fights till server reset.
If you had a fight, win or lose, you will have to redo it.

This week my guild (old server) is doing some testing of different conditions. Over the next two weeks we are going to try to test what happens if some one that was already in 1st or 2nd all week stays there but powers down to do a hit on Friday. This has to be carefully staged because it involves having a low power player in 1st or 2nd all week in case it does not work.

Sheesh just go with it the way it is designed to work. Stop trying to mess with it.

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Originally Posted by mattp169

Sheesh just go with it the way it is designed to work. Stop trying to mess with it.

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The problem is that the game is not designed to have a good player retention, so we do our best to find ways that help players interested in the game by allowing everyone to compete.

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Originally Posted by ChickenWing

The problem is that the game is not designed to have a good player retention, so we do our best to find ways that help players interested in the game by allowing everyone to compete.

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I could not have said it better myself.

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Originally Posted by Andy

I could not have said it better myself.

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you are all socialists right?

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Originally Posted by mattp169

you are all socialists right?

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No. We want to see the players stay in the game so we do not end up with dead servers.

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Originally Posted by mattp169

you are all socialists right?

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What a remark. Heaven's Palace, if you left in the top players on ea realm on our server, hardly anyone would make it past Obsidian level. And most won't make it past Wood. Now that seems hardly worth going in, simply too exclusive. I see no reason we can't help it to be what it originally was meant to be; a test to see how you compare (and win some prizes). But when the top player is well over 200m, with all 1st and 2nds at +100m, well not many can get far.

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Originally Posted by MisChief

What a remark. Heaven's Palace, if you left in the top players on ea realm on our server, hardly anyone would make it past Obsidian level. And most won't make it past Wood. Now that seems hardly worth going in, simply too exclusive. I see no reason we can't help it to be what it originally was meant to be; a test to see how you compare (and win some prizes). But when the top player is well over 200m, with all 1st and 2nds at +100m, well not many can get far.

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So its meant to be a test to see how you compare yet you have to rig it to see how you compare. Makes total sense to me. And on server 1 all our top 2 takes HP without powering down. SOme of us are in banish form, some of us are in odd forms some of us are in PvP form. Usually 2-4 players on the server get 100 points, #10 on the leader board is usually around 79 points.

Plenty of people get through 3-4 levels of it then can not go further, plenty get through 5-7 levels. Noone complains that its not fair becuase boo is 213m power and krm and spec are close to 200m power etc. You get free coins credits rep and a flip. I Do not see why everyone on other servers expect to be able to get 100. YOu may think your are helping the smaller players, but your taking away challenges for them, and you are not letting them really TEST themselves to see how they REALLY compare. Trying to find a way to 100 is about the only PvE challenge I have at this point.

WOuld I love it if Boo used a different form then his usual one for HP? Yes...cuz he is the only person on the server I havent found a way to win at least occasionally in PvP. But I dont want him to hand me the 100th point on a silver platter. I dont want him to step down for HP or use his banish form, or power down, just move thesus back one spot in the row. Its the only challenge some of us even get in teh game at this point. SO a player cant get more then 29 points this week. Now they can work to build to get to 39 the next week or so. Powering down the entire HP intentionally to let most of the server run the palace is the same as asking them to just power down all the bosses to make the game easier so more people play it.

I mean Im on server 1 and we like what we got going. Other servers want to power down and do strange things in HP let them, I just think its strange to do.

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Originally Posted by mattp169

So its meant to be a test to see how you compare yet you have to rig it to see how you compare. Makes total sense to me. And on server 1 all our top 2 takes HP without powering down. SOme of us are in banish form, some of us are in odd forms some of us are in PvP form. Usually 2-4 players on the server get 100 points, #10 on the leader board is usually around 79 points.

Plenty of people get through 3-4 levels of it then can not go further, plenty get through 5-7 levels. Noone complains that its not fair becuase boo is 213m power and krm and spec are close to 200m power etc. You get free coins credits rep and a flip. I Do not see why everyone on other servers expect to be able to get 100. YOu may think your are helping the smaller players, but your taking away challenges for them, and you are not letting them really TEST themselves to see how they REALLY compare. Trying to find a way to 100 is about the only PvE challenge I have at this point.

WOuld I love it if Boo used a different form then his usual one for HP? Yes...cuz he is the only person on the server I havent found a way to win at least occasionally in PvP. But I dont want him to hand me the 100th point on a silver platter. I dont want him to step down for HP or use his banish form, or power down, just move thesus back one spot in the row. Its the only challenge some of us even get in teh game at this point. SO a player cant get more then 29 points this week. Now they can work to build to get to 39 the next week or so. Powering down the entire HP intentionally to let most of the server run the palace is the same as asking them to just power down all the bosses to make the game easier so more people play it.

I mean Im on server 1 and we like what we got going. Other servers want to power down and do strange things in HP let them, I just think its strange to do.

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It is all fine when you have a good player pop in your server but when you have around 10 active players in the server and are desperate to keep those 10 you have to find ways to do so. They have to have a sense of achievement for player to continue playing. We don't power down for Hp but the few top players make sure we are not in the top 5 of arena a day before. Cannot remember the last time I was in the top 5 of arena and my power is more than twice than any in my server. So it is not all about winning all the time, at times it is to lend a helping hand to others so everyone can enjoy the game.

well i did all of that and it didnt work. from after baal till rag i had my formation set for palace for the last fight in the arena and didnt have any fights while in a different formation for rag. after rag was over i set up my heaven palace formation and redid the fights in the arena. and no fights till reset. but for palace i had that formation that i had during rag, there there was no fights in the arena with it.

i have not this weekend, but the next weekend to figure it out or we're screwed (the guild im in)

I did some testing last Friday. The test are a bit inconclusive and I am planing to do some more. The test involved bringing a player up to 1st powered down and then doing several things like being attacked and attacking and wining and loosing. The equipment and runes were not change so the power levels remained the same. The position of the hero on the grid was changed each time. From this limited testing, on a hero player that coming up to 1st or 2nd it looks like the formation is the last battle that is won, and not just the last battle.

Next I am going to do some testing where the power level changes to see if that affects the result.

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Originally Posted by Andy

I did some testing last Friday. The test are a bit inconclusive and I am planing to do some more. The test involved bringing a player up to 1st powered down and then doing several things like being attacked and attacking and wining and loosing. The equipment and runes were not change so the power levels remained the same. The position of the hero on the grid was changed each time. From this limited testing, on a hero player that coming up to 1st or 2nd it looks like the formation is the last battle that is won, and not just the last battle.

Next I am going to do some testing where the power level changes to see if that affects the result.

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well what i did was after moving people into the top 4. we would attack each other. we all got atleast 1 win in our powered down formation. the other 3 had just their main without gear or runes. i did the same but put a gearless and runeless blue hero in my formation as just a joke hero. my power didnt go up much. we all powered back up for rag and gws and sent out a guild mail saying not to attack the top 4 at any time. but even after all that it still used our formations from either rag/gws or before we powered down and attacked each other in the arena.

both me and the host that was in the top 4 has access to the other 2 in the top 4. so we know 100% that they were attacked by only the others in the top 4. and its very easy to put them in the top 4 since just myself and the host can move them up into position and be prepared for the palace.

as for this weekend we're moving 4 different people up from around rank 10. so even if the power down fails, they will still be weaker than what it would be if we had last weeks top 4.

In order for the form used in the arena to stick, you have to change a spot. An example of how to set HP. #1 in arena strips 100% off runes and equip and has only main in form. #2 and #3 also do the same. Number 4 strips to power amount just above #1's power amount. #4 hits number 1 taking first spot in arena. Number 4 now completely strips. The original #1 now in fourth, attacks 3rd, 2nd and 1st. They have all now moved position. Top 4 is set. Everyone can get dressed and as long as no one in the top 4 or anyone from outside the top 4 hit them, HP is set with stripped main and all players on the server should be able to gain the 100 kills. The players in the arena top 4 nor anyone outside of top 4 can fight the top 4, AT ALL, until the reset happens.

This arena shuffle can happen at different times, and can be done with someone outside of the top 4. As long as whomever remains in the top 4 has fought and moved positions stripped. This goes for setting your formation. Your formation is set when you fight in arena and MOVE a position. The arena can be set at any time during the day until the reset happens for HP.

As for the argument of whether this is good to do or not. I think it keeps the morale of the lower players. Since the top players finish top 3 in world boss fights and gain the most loot from arena, the completion of HP for them helps. We used to drop the top 4 out and moved the lowest power players into the top 4 as possible before arena ranking rewards were given on Friday. This gave a good chunk of loot to lower players. But that took coordination of many players and a fair bit of time for some players to get done.

Biggest note: Now you can practice on anyone on your server through rankings, you can learn better forms and rune sets that way. And these credit your daily revenge/fight in wild.

My experiment for this weekend was designed to see if the amount of power in the formation would affect what formation was used. In other words, if it was the last winning formation of the most powerful winning formation. Unfortunately a player attacked both the 1st and 2nd place after they were set up and they ended up in HP at full power. I will try again next week.

Ok heres the deal

there is a time on friday when the game takes a snap shot of arena

at that time whatever the last formation used in arena by the players chosen is what goes in palace

what that magical time is NO ONE KNOWS For certain.

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Originally Posted by mattp169

Ok heres the deal

there is a time on friday when the game takes a snap shot of arena

at that time whatever the last formation used in arena by the players chosen is what goes in palace

what that magical time is NO ONE KNOWS For certain.

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My experiment last week shows that at least it is the last formation where the attack was won, and not just the last formation. The last formation of the player was a loss and the one that ended up in HP was the win before that. People are making assumptions without testing because in most cases the last formation is a win. That is why I am doing the testing, to see how it actually works.

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Originally Posted by Andy

My experiment last week shows that at least it is the last formation where the attack was won, and not just the last formation. The last formation of the player was a loss and the one that ended up in HP was the win before that. People are making assumptions without testing because in most cases the last formation is a win. That is why I am doing the testing, to see how it actually works.

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the players chosen will almost always have a win as their last fight in arena. thast how they got to their spots. now granted 1 could attack 2 for rep or whatever. so you have a point, but you guys are really over analyzing this

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Originally Posted by mattp169

the players chosen will almost always have a win as their last fight in arena. thast how they got to their spots. now granted 1 could attack 2 for rep or whatever. so you have a point, but you guys are really over analyzing this

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The reason I am doing the experiments is so that when things go wrong, like it id for us this week, I know what the easiest way to fix it is. Our players were attacked and won while in full power. What can we do short of bringing them down and putting two other players up?

If it is the last fight, then all they have to do is power down and hit some one.
If it is the last winning fight, then they have to hit some one that is powered down more that they are.
If it is the the most powerful win since they went up, then there is no choice but to bring them down.

If it is in fact the strongest win (and I have not proven this yet) then there is the issue of if the player goes up on Friday before Baal, gets hit while in full power and comes down some time before GW and goes back up powered down, will the formation used be the one that was used on the second time it went up (powered down) of will it be the most powerful winn for the day (when he was hit after going up the first time). If it is the former then all we need to do is bring him down and then back up, but if it is the other one, then we need to find a different player to put up.

Based on the results of the above then I will do some more testing to see if it is feasible for a player that is in 1st or 2nd not to have to come down at all. It may be that all that needs to be done is to have a powered down win as the last fight. If that is the case, then it will make it a lot easier so set things up.

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Originally Posted by Andy

The reason I am doing the experiments is so that when things go wrong, like it id for us this week, I know what the easiest way to fix it is. Our players were attacked and won while in full power. What can we do short of bringing them down and putting two other players up?

If it is the last fight, then all they have to do is power down and hit some one.
If it is the last winning fight, then they have to hit some one that is powered down more that they are.
If it is the the most powerful win since they went up, then there is no choice but to bring them down.

If it is in fact the strongest win (and I have not proven this yet) then there is the issue of if the player goes up on Friday before Baal, gets hit while in full power and comes down some time before GW and goes back up powered down, will the formation used be the one that was used on the second time it went up (powered down) of will it be the most powerful winn for the day (when he was hit after going up the first time). If it is the former then all we need to do is bring him down and then back up, but if it is the other one, then we need to find a different player to put up.

Based on the results of the above then I will do some more testing to see if it is feasible for a player that is in 1st or 2nd not to have to come down at all. It may be that all that needs to be done is to have a powered down win as the last fight. If that is the case, then it will make it a lot easier so set things up.

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seriously wait till baal
after baal set it up
then send out a gm not to attack the players who are going in hp.

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Originally Posted by mattp169

seriously wait till baal
after baal set it up
then send out a gm not to attack the players who are going in hp.

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We do that. But like I said, the ultimate goal is to see if the top two player that normally sits on 1st and 2nd all week can just power down, hit some one that is also powered down and win, and power back up. This will make setting up a lot easier.

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Originally Posted by Andy

We do that. But like I said, the ultimate goal is to see if the top two player that normally sits on 1st and 2nd all week can just power down, hit some one that is also powered down and win, and power back up. This will make setting up a lot easier.

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it is easy
have 1 strip to nothing have 2 strip to just what is need too beat 1 now
2 attacks 1 and wins
1 who is now 2 adds in some runes and armor - just enough to beat 2 who is now 1
DONE
send out gm
have a good day
like I said you over complicating this
and yes I know this works Ive done it just to see

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Originally Posted by mattp169

it is easy
have 1 strip to nothing have 2 strip to just what is need too beat 1 now
2 attacks 1 and wins
1 who is now 2 adds in some runes and armor - just enough to beat 2 who is now 1
DONE
send out gm
have a good day
like I said you over complicating this
and yes I know this works Ive done it just to see

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I had never thought of doing it that way. Thanks

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Originally Posted by mattp169

you are all socialists right?

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Lets keep politics out of the discussion when we are discussing game mechanics.

Personally, I have never seen a fully powered down HP yet, simply because its always someone that doesn't know how to power down properly anyways.

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Originally Posted by perawind_8762856

Lets keep politics out of the discussion when we are discussing game mechanics.

Personally, I have never seen a fully powered down HP yet, simply because its always someone that doesn't know how to power down properly anyways.

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its the randomness of the game.. the game chooose what sett up it wanted to show..

so in order to power down

1.power down let yourself be beat in arena then beat them while powered down

2. go to heroics just do a boss with 1 hero.. dont think it matter which 1

3. damn to late i forgot about this 1 ohh well maybe ill get back on this (maybe royal arena)

So much effort why don't you guys just give up the top 4 spots in arena for a day before Hp and then you don't have to muck around with formations and powering down.

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Originally Posted by KimmiKiss_7957669

I think heavens palace needs change and it shouldnt do it based on arena rank at all, it should do it based on the strongest players INSIDE the realm they are. Like on my server. The other 2 realms "CHEAT" and drop people down so they can gain 100 score. I am so sick of this. Its not fair to the rest of the little people. Yes I call it cheating. I dont even bother with HP Anymore. IT ISN'T worth my time. Its boring.

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