Mulan Pro's and Con's or Opinions

I have not seen many people using Mulan in CWF, and she is doing quite well for me. What is everyone's opinion of her? How would you rank her skill? How would you use her and in what circumstance?

Her Flame Wall attack cannot be blocked, and with high enough gear and runes she can deal out considerable damage.

Thanks for your input.

Theseus almost exactly like Mulan, but can crit (and crits often as well).

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Originally Posted by Deucalion

I have not seen many people using Mulan in CWF, and she is doing quite well for me. What is everyone's opinion of her? How would you rank her skill? How would you use her and in what circumstance?

Her Flame Wall attack cannot be blocked, and with high enough gear and runes she can deal out considerable damage.

Thanks for your input.

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Once you get a level 99 staff and level 99 spirit on her, she becomes a powerhouse.
The fact that most people neglect magic defense makes Mulan a Dark Horse in pvp battles.

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Originally Posted by Yelsha

Theseus almost exactly like Mulan, but can crit (and crits often as well).

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Mulan can't be hit by Flavius.
Also, most players focus on physical and skill defense, and neglect magic defense.

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Originally Posted by Herby

Once you get a level 99 staff and level 99 spirit on her, she becomes a powerhouse.
The fact that most people neglect magic defense makes Mulan a Dark Horse in pvp battles.



Mulan can't be hit by Flavius.
Also, most players focus on physical and skill defense, and neglect magic defense.

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Seems most top players have around same magic defense as the other defenses.

Third Eye talent inherently gives more magic defense than the other two defense talents raise the other two defenses.

Also, the damage coefficient for Wall of Flame seems to be a little lower than that of Ascension, and much lower than Piercing Thrust.

Way I see it, Mulan is a poor man's Theseus, and once we have Sirius spirits, Theseus will only be a poor man's Rhize.
The extra crit chance does not make up for the 2.5 times higher damage coefficient of piercing thrust vs ascension.

Only saving grace for Mulan is that she can harm Saffron and Ahmose more while striking the targets behind Ahmose, which isn't much benefit considering the main purpose of row-hitting skills is to hit things behind the tank, not damage the tank.

Yes, Mulan can avoid that 8-10k damage per round from Flav, but you are forgetting that she inherently will take about 10-15 more damage from Adam than either King T or Rhize.

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Originally Posted by Yelsha

Seems most top players have around same magic defense as the other defenses.

Third Eye talent inherently gives more magic defense than the other two defense talents raise the other two defenses.

Also, the damage coefficient for Wall of Flame seems to be a little lower than that of Ascension, and much lower than Piercing Thrust.

Way I see it, Mulan is a poor man's Theseus, and once we have Sirius spirits, Theseus will only be a poor man's Rhize.
The extra crit chance does not make up for the 2.5 times higher damage coefficient of piercing thrust vs ascension.

Only saving grace for Mulan is that she can harm Saffron and Ahmose more while striking the targets behind Ahmose, which isn't much benefit considering the main purpose of row-hitting skills is to hit things behind the tank, not damage the tank.

Yes, Mulan can avoid that 8-10k damage per round from Flav, but you are forgetting that she inherently will take about 10-15 more damage from Adam than either King T or Rhize.

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I think your focusing on the negative things a bit much here. At this point in the game, a well built Mulan seems to pay off quite well and may also in the future. If you don't have a large amount of magic attack, then maybe she isn't for you. I also Have K.Theseus built and still use Mulan much of the time.

Thanks for your input.

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Originally Posted by Yelsha

Seems most top players have around same magic defense as the other defenses.

Third Eye talent inherently gives more magic defense than the other two defense talents raise the other two defenses.

Also, the damage coefficient for Wall of Flame seems to be a little lower than that of Ascension, and much lower than Piercing Thrust.

Way I see it, Mulan is a poor man's Theseus, and once we have Sirius spirits, Theseus will only be a poor man's Rhize.
The extra crit chance does not make up for the 2.5 times higher damage coefficient of piercing thrust vs ascension.

Only saving grace for Mulan is that she can harm Saffron and Ahmose more while striking the targets behind Ahmose, which isn't much benefit considering the main purpose of row-hitting skills is to hit things behind the tank, not damage the tank.

Yes, Mulan can avoid that 8-10k damage per round from Flav, but you are forgetting that she inherently will take about 10-15 more damage from Adam than either King T or Rhize.

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Personally I think Sirius sets won't be as common as we all predict to be.

I have a feeling Sirius items will not be available in Heroic realms like all the other sets.

The Skill attack each round bonus is just too OP. I don't think anyone will refute this.


I'm predicting something like a new type of "labyrinth" where randomly-dropped individual Sirius plans are the prizes.

A team event where the 5 heroes are made up of the leaders of 5 different players would be quite interesting and fun.

Herby, don't make any more, "predictions," because all too often somehow your, "predictions," turn out to be true lol.

But apparently there will be DragonScale items too.
And who knows, maybe 1 more set after that?
As of now, morale retention of as high as 135 would still be meaningful and offer an advantage.

Every CWF except the current one, I had Mulan in my lineup somewhere.

Previously, after experimenting with both Mulan, Queen Bryn, and Shayd, I concluded that Mulan was the most useful mage, except for possibly Aphrodite, which I don't have.

Yet the whole time, I was wishing I had an extra sword at the same level as her staff so I could toss in Rhize or King T once I unlock him.

However, this time I tested out Maria in CWF coming in as a sub, and I was rather pleasant surprised and managed to defeat a few opponents near double my power. She isn't as consistent as Mulan, but much more so than Queen Bryn. Every time she was able to heal my Ahmose, I ended up winning the fight, even against people more than double my power.

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Originally Posted by Yelsha

Herby, don't make any more, "predictions," because all too often somehow your, "predictions," turn out to be true lol.

But apparently there will be DragonScale items too.
And who knows, maybe 1 more set after that?
As of now, morale retention of as high as 135 would still be meaningful and offer an advantage.

Every CWF except the current one, I had Mulan in my lineup somewhere.

Previously, after experimenting with both Mulan, Queen Bryn, and Shayd, I concluded that Mulan was the most useful mage, except for possibly Aphrodite, which I don't have.

Yet the whole time, I was wishing I had an extra sword at the same level as her staff so I could toss in Rhize or King T once I unlock him.

However, this time I tested out Maria in CWF coming in as a sub, and I was rather pleasant surprised and managed to defeat a few opponents near double my power. She isn't as consistent as Mulan, but much more so than Queen Bryn. Every time she was able to heal my Ahmose, I ended up winning the fight, even against people more than double my power.

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Lol

I remember a thread where I said that Queen Bryn will become a staple in CWF. A lot of people ridiculed me, but look at Queen Bryn now.

I remember saying Maria is going to be a game-breaker for CWF. A lot of people still don't believe me and say Maria sucks

:)

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Originally Posted by Herby

Lol

I remember a thread where I said that Queen Bryn will become a staple in CWF. A lot of people ridiculed me, but look at Queen Bryn now.

I remember saying Maria is going to be a game-breaker for CWF. A lot of people still don't believe me and say Maria sucks

:)

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Yep, apparently you also, "predicted," Mulan into existence lol.

So, have you tried using Mulan in CWF, and how would you rate her effectiveness compared to Queen Bryn in the mage slot or Rhize and King T in the row-hitting role?

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Originally Posted by Yelsha

Yep, apparently you also, "predicted," Mulan into existence lol.

So, have you tried using Mulan in CWF, and how would you rate her effectiveness compared to Queen Bryn in the mage slot or Rhize and King T in the row-hitting role?

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I like Mulan, and I will test her out this week.
I will use Mulan in my level 90+ toon I play on a mid-range server.

I'm building up a second staff for her, while I still don't have Aphrodite.
My first level 99 staff is on my Maria / Shayd whom I use for CWF / Banish.

So since I have experience with Aphro, I can tell you she is the most deadliest mage of them all. She hits about 2x as hard as Shayd if not more. She comes with 40 +hit so she does not miss much. She will 1 shot most players except the very top with massive health... I have her at 17 stars and working on her staff to 99 (only 75 atm). In Banish, shes does more dmg per hit than any of my class except pompey (at the very early hits) and De Luc (using herja). Get a few + hit saints on her and she will have close to or over 300+hit. She will keep every banish stunned for a while.

Now back to Mulan. I used Mulan extensively early on and concluded she is a very nice mage, but not quite the same par with King Thesus due to his ability to Crit. If KT did not crit as much, Mulan would be a better choice IMO. Keep in mind, Mulan has 30% Phy resistance and can take a good amount of beating.

I have never been a fan of Rhize for 3 main reasons. 1. He has no innate built in resistance such as phy or magic reduction. 2. His only bonus is 30 block which is pretty useless at the highest levels when you start to face people with lvl 12 break and resilience runes, 3. Rhize does not crit nearly enough to come close to beating King T.

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Originally Posted by skinz1111_6095251

So since I have experience with Aphro, I can tell you she is the most deadliest mage of them all. She hits about 2x as hard as Shayd if not more. She comes with 40 +hit so she does not miss much. She will 1 shot most players except the very top with massive health... I have her at 17 stars and working on her staff to 99 (only 75 atm). In Banish, shes does more dmg per hit than any of my class except pompey (at the very early hits) and De Luc (using herja). Get a few + hit saints on her and she will have close to or over 300+hit. She will keep every banish stunned for a while.

Now back to Mulan. I used Mulan extensively early on and concluded she is a very nice mage, but not quite the same par with King Thesus due to his ability to Crit. If KT did not crit as much, Mulan would be a better choice IMO. Keep in mind, Mulan has 30% Phy resistance and can take a good amount of beating.

I have never been a fan of Rhize for 3 main reasons. 1. He has no innate built in resistance such as phy or magic reduction. 2. His only bonus is 30 block which is pretty useless at the highest levels when you start to face people with lvl 12 break and resilience runes, 3. Rhize does not crit nearly enough to come close to beating King T.

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Sssh. Don't praise her so much.

They might nerf her. lol.

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Originally Posted by Herby

Lol

I remember a thread where I said that Queen Bryn will become a staple in CWF. A lot of people ridiculed me, but look at Queen Bryn now.

I remember saying Maria is going to be a game-breaker for CWF. A lot of people still don't believe me and say Maria sucks

:)

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The second round of my first battle in CWF last night, I lost to a player using Maria. She was able to heal most of that players heroes twice fully, and a few others even more. I rearranged form to make up for this, but she still won that one round with some wiggle room. That was the only Maria I have seen in CWF so far that was able to make a difference. I can see Maria being in CWF for a long time to come, though she and bryn in my humble opinion are like a shot in the dark. There is little consistency with them both and seems like it would have to be a last ditch effort for me to use them in CWF, unless they could somehow be "aimed".

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Originally Posted by skinz1111_6095251

So since I have experience with Aphro, I can tell you she is the most deadliest mage of them all. She hits about 2x as hard as Shayd if not more. She comes with 40 +hit so she does not miss much. She will 1 shot most players except the very top with massive health... I have her at 17 stars and working on her staff to 99 (only 75 atm). In Banish, shes does more dmg per hit than any of my class except pompey (at the very early hits) and De Luc (using herja). Get a few + hit saints on her and she will have close to or over 300+hit. She will keep every banish stunned for a while.

Now back to Mulan. I used Mulan extensively early on and concluded she is a very nice mage, but not quite the same par with King Thesus due to his ability to Crit. If KT did not crit as much, Mulan would be a better choice IMO. Keep in mind, Mulan has 30% Phy resistance and can take a good amount of beating.

I have never been a fan of Rhize for 3 main reasons. 1. He has no innate built in resistance such as phy or magic reduction. 2. His only bonus is 30 block which is pretty useless at the highest levels when you start to face people with lvl 12 break and resilience runes, 3. Rhize does not crit nearly enough to come close to beating King T.

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Well, we have something to look forward too with Aphrodite then, thank you for your input

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Originally Posted by Herby

Sssh. Don't praise her so much.

They might nerf her. lol.

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TBH. For the fact that by the time you get her with 3.8 Million REP... She doesn't do enough. She is only a single target hero. This is a pretty big disadvantage in CWF. She also does not STUN every time she hits if the opponent has high def skills even when she does the dmg. Now if they made it so she stuns every time she hits, that would be nice. She also does miss. When she does it is like the highest hero adding NO value in the line up for that round. Keep in mind at the very top, you are lucky if you get 2 rounds in the fight. So she is no where near over powered and they would be nuts to even think of nerfing her. There is nothing to nerf. I would say that in terms of hits she land, she is exactly like Shayd, but with a little more built in 40 + hit which helps her slightly. Nothing to go crazy over. The damage is double Shayd, but that is to be expected, since on mages, the + Skill attack on the spirit has no effect. The Spirit is 1/2 the value for mages as it is for melee classes. Not fair and should add "+Magic Skill Attack"

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Originally Posted by skinz1111_6095251

TBH. For the fact that by the time you get her with 3.8 Million REP... She doesn't do enough. She is only a single target hero. This is a pretty big disadvantage in CWF. She also does not STUN every time she hits if the opponent has high def skills even when she does the dmg. Now if they made it so she stuns every time she hits, that would be nice. She also does miss. When she does it is like the highest hero adding NO value in the line up for that round. Keep in mind at the very top, you are lucky if you get 2 rounds in the fight. So she is no where near over powered and they would be nuts to even think of nerfing her. There is nothing to nerf. I would say that in terms of hits she land, she is exactly like Shayd, but with a little more built in 40 + hit which helps her slightly. Nothing to go crazy over. The damage is double Shayd, but that is to be expected, since on mages, the + Skill attack on the spirit has no effect. The Spirit is 1/2 the value for mages as it is for melee classes. Not fair and should add "+Magic Skill Attack"

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I believe one of the reasons for mages is to give you the ability to have a decent damage dealer/support/control hero without the need for expensive spirits, both in terms of coins, gems, time, and lab runs/tokens. That is partially one of the reasons that when fully geared out and runed out, they are inferior to physical heroes. However, due to the fact they slide by with less runes and lower spirits, they are a much more inexpensive investment than physical heroes.

So think of mages as requiring less initial investment to be effective, but with a low return on investment later on. To make a mage effective, all you need is to pump the staff level, add rubies, and level up intenseness, preciseness, and infallibility/reliability. On the other hand, physical heroes require both godly swords and spirits, sapphires and obsidians, and ideally all 3 of the 100-frag runes as well as advantage in addition to preciseness to be fully effective. If you have the spirits and runes, I'd say a physical hero is nearly always a better choice in terms of direct combat.

One thing that every one appears forgets about is that Mage attacks do not increase Morale on the opponent. That is also an advantage of Mages early in the game.

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Originally Posted by Andy

One thing that every one appears forgets about is that Mage attacks do not increase Morale on the opponent. That is also an advantage of Mages early in the game.

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Yes, mages have the benefit of starting with this advantage.

Later on though, stronger physical heroes (Blood, Pompey, etc) also have this advantage and also with LB+ 6-sets and Herja, other physical heroes will not lead to morale gain in PVE and will only lead to morale gain at most 1/2 the time in PVP.

well i canot say much about mulan but she is my target hero for next CW not this one as now iam trying no destroy herja :)

For me, mages have always been my goto for damage because I only ever get defensive sancts on my skill attack heroes (2 gold hps, 2 gold magic defense, 1 gold phys, 1 purple phys def, 1 purple skill def on cinnia for examaple). Given this, maria was an obvious pickup since i relied so much on tanking it out anyways. With adamanti actually getting a couple offense this is changing a bit for me but still useful. I might pickup mulan at some point once I phase out herja (working on beating the LB bossses right now).

Mulan = Junk. She has no place in pvp unless you are in the power range of 14-20m.

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Originally Posted by tastyfrancisbacon_4981024

Mulan = Junk. She has no place in pvp unless you are in the power range of 14-20m.

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All that means is that you are using her poorly sainted and most likely have very low magic attack. My Mulan is a beast.

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Originally Posted by Deucalion

All that means is that you are using her poorly sainted and most likely have very low magic attack. My Mulan is a beast.

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Do you use her for CWF?

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Originally Posted by explorertynon103_3174937

Do you use her for CWF?

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i think everyone who has bryn will use bryn instead of mulan coz bryn MAYBE stunn someone..

i refuse to use mulan or bryn or maria until they strip some clothes off them...they are all over dressed

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Originally Posted by mattp169

i refuse to use mulan or bryn or maria until they strip some clothes off them...they are all over dressed

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heh? meaning?

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Originally Posted by smokingfox

heh? meaning?

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That he likes his female heroes to be eye candy ;) lol.

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Originally Posted by Andy

That he likes his female heroes to be eye candy ;) lol.

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lol well i still have bryn over all others ^^

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Originally Posted by smokingfox

lol well i still have bryn over all others ^^

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she would be more effective if she had less clothes on :P

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Originally Posted by explorertynon103_3174937

Do you use her for CWF?

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The last 3 CWF's I have used her, yes.

Bryn is like throwing a handful of darts into a dark room. You might hit one or two and if your really lucky, three. She doesn't really help me much. Mulan on the other hand deals consistant damage where I want her to deal it.

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Originally Posted by Deucalion

The last 3 CWF's I have used her, yes.

Bryn is like throwing a handful of darts into a dark room. You might hit one or two and if your really lucky, three. She doesn't really help me much. Mulan on the other hand deals consistant damage where I want her to deal it.

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I agree with you.

Also Mulan has 30% phy dmg reduction which is huge. She can tank pretty good if runed up and starred and sainted properly.

She will also do "more dmg" than King Thesus (minus when he crits). She will not miss much and will tank better than any hero, minus Ahmose (but with way higher dmg and strike 3 in the same row).

She is also immune to morale strikes from Flav, and with an added rune slot open for her, one can put additional defensive rune on her (in place of advantage).

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Originally Posted by skinz1111_6095251

I agree with you.

Also Mulan has 30% phy dmg reduction which is huge. She can tank pretty good if runed up and starred and sainted properly.

She will also do "more dmg" than King Thesus (minus when he crits). She will not miss much and will tank better than any hero, minus Ahmose (but with way higher dmg and strike 3 in the same row).

She is also immune to morale strikes from Flav, and with an added rune slot open for her, one can put additional defensive rune on her (in place of advantage).

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I'd like to see someone above myself build her up nicely and use her in CWF. I have yet to see her used by anyone outside of myself, yet. Sometimes being on the other end gives you a better view of things.
I'd really prefer if she had skill reduction instead, but overall the phys reduction serves to reduce overall damage, I think, not 100% on that. I'm finding increasingly each week that the more magic attack she has, the better hero she is.

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Originally Posted by Deucalion

I'd like to see someone above myself build her up nicely and use her in CWF. I have yet to see her used by anyone outside of myself, yet. Sometimes being on the other end gives you a better view of things.
I'd really prefer if she had skill reduction instead, but overall the phys reduction serves to reduce overall damage, I think, not 100% on that. I'm finding increasingly each week that the more magic attack she has, the better hero she is.

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I was going to build her up, but had to pick between her or Aphrodite... or Blood... maybe if they open other 2 sub slots and no more decent heros.. i will get her up there. She would probably do around 70 - 90k dmg with full strength magic staff, spirit, and intenseness + 18 stars and dominion sainted (against opponents with similar power)

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Originally Posted by skinz1111_6095251

I was going to build her up, but had to pick between her or Aphrodite... or Blood... maybe if they open other 2 sub slots and no more decent heros.. i will get her up there. She would probably do around 70 - 90k dmg with full strength magic staff, spirit, and intenseness + 18 stars and dominion sainted (against opponents with similar power)

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Of course they will make useful new heroes to make you spend all those monies to star and saint them up again =)