well i for 1 am looking for to participating in GW again...we had given it up as a bad joke. now we might actually stand a chance of taking a city or 2.
Huge thumbs up from me to Tynon on this one
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well i for 1 am looking for to participating in GW again...we had given it up as a bad joke. now we might actually stand a chance of taking a city or 2.
Huge thumbs up from me to Tynon on this one
has tynon got to thinking they have made enough money out of the game..
they are on the right track to losing a lot of players
going by some of the posts ...there is going to be a lot of rage quitters within the next few weeks...unless they realize that they have really done damage to the paying players with the latest gw patch..
all their time,energy and money will all be a waste..already my guild are refusing to spend another cent
I've merged all these GW threads because we have 3 on the go. That said y'all might be interested in this one. http://bbs.tynon.com/showthread.php?...onship-Warfare. It's a poll set up by Tynon to ask your opinion.
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Originally Posted by Jakoda_6650940
And let me guess... YOU decide what is fair?
It's their game, they decide. They hear from many more people than we do.
What Tynon basically did with this new and improved GW is make power pointless... its numbers... alts... that is what is important.... nothing more.. no point in spending money to build yourself up if you can create 5 alts for free to do what your 1 money toon can do.... They are basically telling their spending players that they don't matter, that no matter how hard they work they will hand cities to the alt guilds instead... so my question is... why bother working? The bigger you get the more gold and credits you need to build, thus you need cities, but if Tynon wont let you hold cities, then you are spending more and more money to build... or that may be the reasoning behind this crap... but TBH that is NOT what I will be doing... If Tynon is going to penalize me in this manor for building and spending then I won't bother to do either... I will go and spend more time on my other game instead.... at least there they appreciate the spending player....
You are correct it is their game. But it is my game allowance to spend the way I want. Tynon will not be getting anymore of my game allowance. I do not spend money on a game to build my toons/cities only to have game developers give the players who have not invested the time and money an edge to excel in game. That is not why I spend my game allowance on ANY game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deucalion
Thanks for the feedback guys.
I can say that we definitely don't want one guild holding every city, as has been happening. It's not interesting if a there's no chance for losing. But there still may be changes coming to GW until the balance is right.
A big Thank You to Tynon for making GW competitive again. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawnseeker
For months our guild would dominate the server-cities. Smaller rivals gave up. Boring.
And I would be able to solo entire armies B-->A. Boring.
It was still mind-numbing for me to just sit at B forever and watch all the others try to nibble away at me. By the end of round 30, with 20 players attacking me every 3rd round, I'd still be at over 50% health. Boring.
And now we see on these forums ... the Bad Sportsmanship. "We have competition now. THIS SUCKS!!". Even more comical are those who react so drastically with their Poor Sportsmanship that they threaten to change their spending habits.
When we lose a city, we say Congratulations! You outmaneuvered us, outnumbered us, overwhelmed us, wore us down, and now the land is yours. Well done! (Hint: In Real Life, War is not so much about power as it is about numbers, tactics, and organization. Even the greatest warriors don't stand a chance to a well-organized army.)
Why not just cap the amount of citys any one guild can hold then? I am sure there would be bickering about that but at least it wont make some feel like the point of working hard and building power was for nothing. level 4 guild can get 4 citys level 5 guild can have 5 citys and so on. I do understand the power boost for attackers but put with the durability loss if just a little to much and the power boost for attackers should be capped at a % or something. Even the other guild leaders on my server are saying it is a little to much. Yes I understand both sides and both points there must be a middle point to make it a challenge not over powered and not uber easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawnseeker
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Originally Posted by Cuddles_1461020
Why would anyone continue to spend their game allowance on a game that has changed mid-stream. This is not how the game was designed when I started the server. Major changes like this patch are unfair to those that have been loyal players from server start. Not sure about other servers but our alliance is top on server 74, I have played this server since September. Never played this style game, really found it "fun". No place for spies to do damage to an entire guild/alliance after building and planning warfare, like in city build games.
I am sure Tynon will strive to make things fair for all going forward. A guild that has excelled and obtained cities on their servers worked for those cities. What compensation is given to those guilds/players that put the time, effort, and game allowance to obtain those cities???
Because GW wouldn't be competitive. The ubber guilds wouldn't fear losing a city.Quote:
Originally Posted by lugnut_fxi_6829524
Alts normally are not active in GW. They Join and then sit in A or G because they do not participate. If the penalty would only apply when the battle is with some one that is logged on (not just having enter the fight) at the time of the battle it would reduce the usefulness of alts. Of course, if the alts were logged on in multiple tabs or browsers it would not make a difference.
these changes dont seem as they were thought through, or tested, but if we have to put up with this awhile till the big players quit. then please add an abandon city option
I would agree with the abandon city option. Had guilds been informed of this change in advance, they would not have captured Koleton.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caramoon_715699
Correct,seen it happen tonightQuote:
Originally Posted by Jakoda_6650940
After yesterday's GW and the complete imbalance demonstrated by this new manifestation of foolishness. I have decided tynon does not want my money. our guild has spent resources and time to build cities, and defend them to have a couple of people with a few alts and lower power overwhelm our players. If this does not get repaired very quickly. tynon will not see another dime from me. it is a travesty to call this balancing the GWs.
I just bought a package. I have decided Tynon wants my money.Quote:
Originally Posted by gtraxler_3728229
Am literally laughing out loud atmQuote:
Originally Posted by ChickenWing
i think this is another screw up on tynons behalf it makes gaining power pointless for gw a much weaker and far outmatched alliance steam rolled over us when one of our mem could easily beat there whole alliance instead 15 guys got beat by them it only favors those who are smaller and nerfs bigger players this could potentially be the game killer for alot of poeple ty tynon i was going to buy a package today but i wont be not with tynon screwing the game up yet again
The Nerf is against those with the most cities (lose the cities no big bonus for other guilds when attacking u) my take anyway.
If i'm wrong on this someone correct me.
It appears that attackers, cause they get a buff upfront, then add to it each fort they take, wind up near 100% buff by G... (if attacking a guild with the most cities)
Defense is not an option anymore, lol
be interesting what gw's will be like when, in our case, its leveled out - all guilds have 3 or 3+1
And this shows that your guild has Poor Sportsmanship.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrsWeldon_1095742
When we lose a city, we CONGRATULATE our opposition. They outnumbered us, wore us down, swarmed us, and thanks to their numerous army and *organized* assault, they took a city from a single powerful warrior. Me. Before this change I would tower over my opposition, and yawn.
Instead of saying "Oh! The glass is half empty! We lost one of our 9 cities!"
Instead say
-- "Good job! You guys took down the Titan!"
-- "You greatly outnumbered us, grats on the city!"
-- "The glass is half full, we have COMPETITION again!"
-- "We have 8 cities to their 1"
-- "Next time let's defend with more than 1 person! We can defend smarter."
The solution is to change your outlook on the game. On life. Be Proactive, and perhaps you can help Tynon find SOLUTIONS instead. :)
What compensation is there for members that helped build your guild had 20k+ contribution to help get the guild to lvl 7 only to be tossed out for not wanting to be treated like garbage for simply asking to be apologised to after having been called filthy names by guild leaders? None? I didn't think so. You spelled your guild's name wrong jakoda I know this because I was there. Brought you there as a matter of fact. And so I know that the message to new members is "Reign $upreme! Compensation, indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakoda_6650940
That is great so dawn why dont you let each realm have theyr own citys or just let the old servers belike new servers the answer is simple this is for securing the ower of the old guysQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawnseeker
this is funny
tynon needs to turn GW back to what it was. people send thousand on this game.. I know i am over 1 grand on this game. I am finding a new game if they do not change guild wars back to what it was and do it quickly. I left a game i played for 4 years over this type of joke. I pay for power my power defeates people. GW is about the most powerful just like CW. if you can beat me pay more than me. I want GW back to wht it was or i am leaving along with most of my guys who are giving you a couple weeks if that.
Money over skill?Quote:
Originally Posted by LTRindyboi4ever_1625052
Well I see why your frustrated, but you need to have skill to go with that money. BUt I agree this change takes away the skill needed to win a city in GWFQuote:
Originally Posted by LTRindyboi4ever_1625052
No skill needed anymore tho...
Our guild use to be able defend and attack (occasionally take or defend cause we caused them to pass at the wrong point - my fav move)
Now we've gone from 10 cities to 4 (thats fine - i agree with not holding all cities)
Difference is - we fight 4 battles a night with 25 people (3/4 online maybe on good night) the other guilds fight 1 battle - and 1 is double our size.
So looking like number of people online to chip away at the strong people (this where the alts come in to play)
Not the number of people that started this server day1 and hung in together to build up - helped each other with formations, morale support.
We've know that the other guilds are 1/2 alts - that was fine while we were winning - cause power was so low - not a biggie
NOW its a huge problem cause those alts hitting take a chunk of dur away-
Parts of this gw change are good! But not to those that have worked from the beginning to get strong and win - don't know about u guys but i play to win.
We have people ready to quit - and people suggesting we try and do the alt thing ourselves -
I don't want to see this happen...
Tynon needs to act quickly on the durability problem. A guild MUST make alts to ensure some success right now. Because if they don't, the other guilds will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jewels
instead of responding and giving feedback they lock forums that they dont like what is being said or discussed guess they can't handle the fact they have pissed of players that make up 90% of there income and made the ones who don't invest or hardly play happy i think tynon needs to re think this new gw and change it back or fix it so its not so in favor of people making a ton of alts to win against us who have one account and work at it to gain an advantage over others instead of just handing people a win for little to no effort put in who agrees?
tynon doesn't lock a thread - mods do i think
and normally just because its being discussed in other threads
I think it's WONDERFUL that I can no longer solo entire armies. It was boring as hell!
So we CONGRATULATE our opponents in taking a city from us. They outnumbered us, wore us down, swarmed us, and now the city is theirs. Well done! :)
and i think you were dropped on ur head as a baby the way they overpowered the non paying non playing people and making smaller guilds more powerful by creating alts is retarded as hell and needs to be fixed
I've merged these two threads rather than close one of them. Can I point out guys that creating too many threads on the same subject is like a room full of people shouting and arguing but no one can hear each other.
Try and use the search function a bit, thanks.
This is a ridiculous travesty of justice. You, Tynon, are:
1) Encouraging people to CHEAT by creating multiple / massive amounts of non-paying, non-playing alt accounts in order to defeat PAYING CUSTOMERS. Where in your Business 101 marketing course did it tell you that this is a SMART strategy to employ against those who are putting food on your table? Hmmmm? I didn't THINK so!
2) Literally slapping those in the face, HARD, who have worked very long and hard to build up their guild, vis-à-vis, guild funds, et al, in favor of those who have a complete disregard for you as game developers. In other words, the SLACKERS are ruling the roost and edging out the hard-working productive citizens, just like in real life. I personally play this game to ESCAPE that travesty of justice, please don't make me stop playing this game for good. I've done it before in Evony and I'm ready, willing and able to easily push away from the keyboard and do it here and now, too. That's not a threat, that's a PROMISE!
3) Not thoroughly considering all angles before deploying failed 'patches' which only make the game far worse than it was before. If your mission or goals were to make Guild War more fair and equitable, you have failed MISERABLY towards that end. Fair, and even balanced, would allow a player's power level to still be equivalent of ANY OTHER game function in Tynon. Why in the world would you suddenly make an exception just to appease a small minority if whiners, just because they have lower power, refuse to work hard at building up their characters and decided to NOT pay to play the game? Forgive my ignorance here, but didn't you, the developers at uCool, Inc, makers of Tynon, enter into this game designing process as a FOR PROFIT venture? Or is this simply a charity drive for the Girl Scouts?
All of that being said, many reasonable solutions have been tendered, but I will also offer mine. I have sent numerous game suggestions in previously, only to have them ignored, so you'll forgive me for being a bit jaundiced and skeptical that any new ideas originating on this side of the pond will actually see the light of day.
A) As previously suggested, allow for a "Dismiss City" or "Abandon City" function IMMEDIATELY. This should be quick and easy to do with very little fuss or bother and would yield tremendous results right away.
B) Balance the Power / HP / Player Stamina in GW a lot better. No player that is 1/3 or less should be able to easily mow down a stronger player in a single shot, that's totally ridiculous.
C) Allow Bases D and G to actually HEAL player STAMINA as well as HP. This would also further balance things out for BOTH teams, attacking and defending.
D) Have a requirement that discourages individual players from simply creating massive amounts of alts and hopping into GW so they can easily defeat massively larger players who have worked long and hard to build up their characters, by spending lots of time and money to do so.
Make the requirement a minimum level, time played and perhaps quests / gear combination to ensure that the account owner is actually ACTIVELY working this account on a daily basis and not creating 100 alternate accounts.
Remember how all the ALTS and BOTS killed Evony? This is the beginning of that problem, and you are now ENCOURAGING that bad behavior. Decide now if that's the path you are going to continue with, so that I and many of us here will not waste another dime, nor minute on this failed idea of your 'fairness doctrine' to 'balance out Guild War'.
Thanks for listening....well.....ARE YOU?
Well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuddles_1461020
Thanks for the suggestions. I'll pass them on. That said, its probably not going to go back to the way it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by scot_202809
scot i completly agree and support what u have said 100% tynon needs to address this immediatly or like u and myself we will walk away and they will lose 2 players who SPEND money on here and work to build up i quit evony becuase the massive alts and bots made the game crap to play
Gw should be a challenge but the recent patch is a bit over the top.I dont see why people who are not on for gw should even be sitting defending.If you cant make it tough luck,can i claim guild benefits and get taken to cerb?
You know, that's a very good point. Why not make it that you actually have to be there to play it? Not just sign up and sit in base.Quote:
Originally Posted by MiniMinx_5244129
Great suggestion.
And DS, I'm not advocating a return to the previous state of gameplay, just a very STRONG change from the horrible way that it is now.
It went from being not fair for one group, to not fair for the other. Somewhere in between in the middle ground is the true solution, but what we have now is NOT it.
Wow... losing 5 durability each time you kill someone is just STUPID. I invested a lot of money in this game and it is continues, i will quit. Worst game change ever made in game history. Let's piss off the people who pay our bills.
This single patch has generated anger throughout your paying base and certainly has generated support in your non-paying/playing base as well.
Those that play obsessively and also pay (your bills I might add) have more power than those that do not play as often or pay to gain power. I do not understand the reluctance to correct the inequality produced with the patch.
Polls galore.. yet no suspension of the patch till a working solution can be found. Many have made suggestions that should and could be explored, but the only solution offered up by Tynon is to further reward the very changes that make the patch so horrid.
I play obsessively, pretty much everyday but if the solution to this isn't worked out quickly I will find another game that I can obsess over. I'm a gamer and obsess over the games I play so finding another wont be very hard. It'd be a shame to leave this game since I've invested so much, but I left WoW after 7 years and much more invested, so I don't think many of us will find it that hard to find another source of entertainment.