CW Shop

Soooo i'm really tired right now...and I feel like I might have just had the most brilliant idea ever (it could be the exhaustion and mid-term hallucinations) but how awesome would it be if we could buy spirit plans in the CW shop? Not for ridiculously low prices by any means...but let's say start the HB at 10k tickets and go up 10k form there per plan. 20k for champ, 30k for guardian, 40k for iron, 50k for light, 60k for justice, 70k for judgment, 80k for sirus, etc. I think it sounds pretty fair. Thoughts everyone???

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Originally Posted by DrthCaedus

Soooo i'm really tired right now...and I feel like I might have just had the most brilliant idea ever (it could be the exhaustion and mid-term hallucinations) but how awesome would it be if we could buy spirit plans in the CW shop? Not for ridiculously low prices by any means...but let's say start the HB at 10k tickets and go up 10k form there per plan. 20k for champ, 30k for guardian, 40k for iron, 50k for light, 60k for justice, 70k for judgment, 80k for sirus, etc. I think it sounds pretty fair. Thoughts everyone???

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if this happened you would be my hero for comming up with it lol

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO - I SWEAR I WILL QUIT IF THEY DID THIS

Spirit plans were the 1 equalizing factor of this game. Then they added tokens to packs. which allowed players like exec and riot to get so big so fast. WOrk the lab like the rest of us and earn your plans.

I swear I dont mind improving the game, but this is not improving it - its nerfing it. Basically you want people to use the free tickets the get form betting on the ridiculous farce called CWF to get free spirit plans.

NO NO NO NO This is a horrible idea

I don't think this is a good idea spirits are too good and are meant to be hard to get and even at those prices in CW shop would be too easy to get.

I agree with mattp on this one. Some things are supposed to be difficult .... Whereas the CW shop is essentially completely free if you think about it. A mindless programmed robot can earn tickets.

maybe instead of having them in cw shop, they should give them for free in lab shop - if you get say 100 700+ scores u get a free plan..... be the only way i can get one - they just dont drop enuf for my liking.

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Originally Posted by trahevony_4745091

maybe instead of having them in cw shop, they should give them for free in lab shop - if you get say 100 700+ scores u get a free plan..... be the only way i can get one - they just dont drop enuf for my liking.

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yea ice never gotton a plan as a reward ive had to buy every single one of my spirit plans with tokens

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Originally Posted by trahevony_4745091

maybe instead of having them in cw shop, they should give them for free in lab shop - if you get say 100 700+ scores u get a free plan..... be the only way i can get one - they just dont drop enuf for my liking.

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They shouldn't drop easily, even when you score high. I score 700 three times a day very often. Having 60 spirit plans in my inventory would be useless :P (unless they sell for gems)

that's the trouble tho - i get 700+ myself at a minimum 2 times every day..... and so far i've gotten 4 plans to drop since server 11 started.

tokens are as rare as rocking horse poo for me - i seem to only get chips in the shuffle. i reckon if i do 100 unsuccessful attempts at obtaining a lb spirit plan at lvl 2 normal (ie getting over 700 score 100 times without a plan dropping) then it should count for something at least - that and/or drop rates for plans need to be adjusted.

I don't buy my way through labs - i do it the hard way, and spend gems on extra 'changes' or 'skips' where i need to. there should be more of a reward for firstly getting 700 or better (without buying it) and the shuffles should have better prizes commensurate with effort put in.

Update...maybe i should whinge more often - just pulled a lb spirit plan at long last with a score of 725

I agree with matt and cuddles, spirit plans should be earned through hard work, as they are the most important piece of equipment.

Technique to getting plans through lab: Don't score just 700, score an 800 Plans drop a lot more often from 800 scores.

Wow that is twice in less than 5 days that Herby and Matt agree on something.

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Originally Posted by mattp169

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO - I SWEAR I WILL QUIT IF THEY DID THIS

Spirit plans were the 1 equalizing factor of this game. Then they added tokens to packs. which allowed players like exec and riot to get so big so fast. WOrk the lab like the rest of us and earn your plans.

I swear I dont mind improving the game, but this is not improving it - its nerfing it. Basically you want people to use the free tickets the get form betting on the ridiculous farce called CWF to get free spirit plans.

NO NO NO NO This is a horrible idea

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I see your point here, but I would like to counter it. Essentially the only "work" people do in the lab is sit there for enough hours that they are either given a plan or they acquire enough tokens to buy one. For the average non-vip like 5-10 tokens a day. so a guardian plan would take roughly 6 days at-least, but the only real work put in was sitting at the computer for maybe 5 or 6 hours to do the labs and getting the free tokens. the same would go for CW. To amass the tickets necessary players would have to spend about 8-10 hours betting in a CW possibly for multiple weeks to amass tickets for the higher spirits, and if they wanted them faster (more tickets in less time) they could spend gems on bets, just like spending gems to buy extra lab runs for more tokens. Overall the same amount of "work" is put into acquiring the spirits. Saying that playing the lab is "working for them" but that carefully betting in CW and putting in the time every night to get all your bets in is not is an inherent contradiction. They both require the same amount of effort, some might argue CW is more of an effort because it takes more time, some might argue lab is more of an effort because there is a bit more account building involved, either way tokens and tickets are both free rewards given with minimal effort.



Edit: to put it in a bit more perspective, I can average, if i'm paying attention all 5 days, about 20-30k tickets per CW. That would require a minimum of a month per Justice Spirit, 7 months for all of them. Combining this with the lab might make it a bit faster, but overall it's not going to make people progress as fast as say...buying the tokens for a LB in 5 minutes. It takes some serious time investment to achieve the amount of tickets necessary for the spirits, not to mention lost coin/credit income if you save the tickets, which means slower progression in runes etc.

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Originally Posted by DrthCaedus

I see your point here, but I would like to counter it.

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I'll counter your counter with this:
Have you ever seen someone have 10 to 15 browsers open to bet on CW?
20,000 tickets each season x15 = a whole lot of spirit plan (accumulating every two weeks). And all they did was sit on their arse for 1 hour and click a bigger number.

The solution to the "plans are too rare" problem is to modify the plans drop rate (700 boss and 800 boss), and/or token #s earned, or token drop rates.
Since Tynon's latest plans-drop modification, I find plans drops to come on (my) average about 1/20 for 700 bosses, and 1/7 for 800 bosses. Perhaps I've been luckier than others, I don't know, but if my rate is the real rate then I think it's a pretty good rate.

i do not like this idea at all. im with mattp on this one. its already way to easy with people buying packages and gain tokens that way. we DO NOT need yet another easy way to get plans. i've worked my butt off for all the spirits i have and i think it's worth it. if everything comes "free" and easy, the game really isnt worth playing then. it's been made noob friendly enough.

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Originally Posted by Cuddles_1461020

I'll counter your counter with this:
Have you ever seen someone have 10 to 15 browsers open to bet on CW?
20,000 tickets each season x15 = a whole lot of spirit plan (accumulating every two weeks). And all they did was sit on their arse for 1 hour and click a bigger number.

The solution to the "plans are too rare" problem is to modify the plans drop rate (700 boss and 800 boss), and/or token #s earned, or token drop rates.
Since Tynon's latest plans-drop modification, I find plans drops to come on (my) average about 1/20 for 700 bosses, and 1/7 for 800 bosses. Perhaps I've been luckier than others, I don't know, but if my rate is the real rate then I think it's a pretty good rate.

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I'm actually failing to see your point in raising the multiple browser thing...it's not like they can bet more than once per account. If an individual is on 15 servers, good for them, it's a lot of work to make all those bets, keep up with GWs, and run all the accounts. If they're alts, it's not like you can transfer spirits between accounts, so not an issue.

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Originally Posted by Greenly

i do not like this idea at all. im with mattp on this one. its already way to easy with people buying packages and gain tokens that way. we DO NOT need yet another easy way to get plans. i've worked my butt off for all the spirits i have and i think it's worth it. if everything comes "free" and easy, the game really isnt worth playing then. it's been made noob friendly enough.

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How is clicking tiles in a lab for 20 minutes and strategizing over whether to risk the destiny or not, or to go left or right, more work than clicking place bet for 2 hours strategizing and anticipating when the underdog might win, when they might lose, etc. I fail to see how one is more "work" than the other. Both involve sitting on our asses and clicking for a few minutes with some minor strategy. I fail to see how this would nerf the game in any way. This would not imbalance spirits at all really, what really did that was the buying of tokens in packs. This, is nothing like that. It is another way to gain spirits thats about the exact same amount of effort as the lab, with more time needing to be invested and only a chance of a drop if you place high enough.

ok if this game is too hard for you then just play a different one and stop asking for changes that make this game more like farmville.

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Originally Posted by DrthCaedus

Soooo i'm really tired right now...and I feel like I might have just had the most brilliant idea ever (it could be the exhaustion and mid-term hallucinations) but how awesome would it be if we could buy spirit plans in the CW shop? Not for ridiculously low prices by any means...but let's say start the HB at 10k tickets and go up 10k form there per plan. 20k for champ, 30k for guardian, 40k for iron, 50k for light, 60k for justice, 70k for judgment, 80k for sirus, etc. I think it sounds pretty fair. Thoughts everyone???

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I would be okish with this suggestion if the prices for HB was 100K, 150k for champ, 200k for gaurdian, 250k for iron, 300k for light, 400k for justice, 500k for judgement, and 1 million for sirius
Still I agree with matt that this is nerfing the game not improving it

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Originally Posted by mattp169

ok if this game is too hard for you then just play a different one and stop asking for changes that make this game more like farmville.

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I never said the game was hard...in fact as far as MMOs go it's one of the simplest and easiest to play that i've encountered. I'm not asking for them to make the game easier, and could you please explain to me how the lab is "harder" than betting in CW. Tedious, boring, mind-numbingly dull do not equal harder or more work, just less interest. I would rather put my time and effort into something I find a bit more enjoyable, watching and betting in CW.

I would like to here an argument for lab being harder, or more work, compared to CW when you break it down to the basic mechanics.

Here's an idea:

50k tickets for a Hopebringer's spirit plan.
75k tickets for a champions spirit plan
100k tickets for a guardians spirit plan
150k tickets for an ironhearts spirit plan
200k tickets for a lightbringers spirit plan
250k tickets for a justice spirit plan
400k tickets for a judgement spirit plan
750k tickets for a sirius spirit plan

Thought this would be funny to post, don't actually want it to happen.

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Originally Posted by davidschlebusch_6020359

I would be okish with this suggestion if the prices for HB was 100K, 150k for champ, 200k for gaurdian, 250k for iron, 300k for light, 400k for justice, 500k for judgement, and 1 million for sirius
Still I agree with matt that this is nerfing the game not improving it

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I think the ticket prices are comparable to the current token prices. as of now it takes about 2-3 days per HB, same for 10k tickets, and just keep doubling from there. my numbers it would take a minimum of 6 weeks per sirius, that's equivalent to Lab prices, if not even a little longer.

Tickets are too easy to get and tokens are meant to be rare. I don't really support this idea, but I do hate the lab. If they made laby a once a week thing (with scaled up rewards), I might actually look forward to it... but it's been really boring and frustrating to do each day.

Edit: pretty sure it's 2 weeks per sirus with your numbers for a lot of people

IMO ONLY SIRIUS SPIRITS should be put in CW shop at a whooping cost of 250000 tickets
OR how about introducing dragonscale spirits at a more of a whooping cost at 500000 tickets

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Originally Posted by DrthCaedus

I'm actually failing to see your point in raising the multiple browser thing...it's not like they can bet more than once per account. If an individual is on 15 servers, good for them, it's a lot of work to make all those bets, keep up with GWs, and run all the accounts. If they're alts, it's not like you can transfer spirits between accounts, so not an issue.

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It is an issue because they can use the tickets to buy coins or credits and then farm the alts.

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Originally Posted by Andy

It is an issue because they can use the tickets to buy coins or credits and then farm the alts.

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I'm aware of that, but it has little to do with the concept of spirits. Anyone who would use an alt for that is already doing so.

I actually agree with Matt on this one. I see no need to give another option for getting Spirit Armor. Both it, and relics are supposed to be harder to get than the others. Yes, paying players get an advantage, but this is one of the few games that don't give paying players things non-paying players can't get.

And, honestly, I don't see the point. Everyone, paying and non-paying, will get the armor faster and end up causing problems once again.

We have no plans to add spirit plans to the CW shop at this time.

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Originally Posted by Dawnseeker

We have no plans to add spirit plans to the CW shop at this time.

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Well there's your answer. Since there isn't any point at this time of continuing this thread, I'll close it for now.