4/4/14 Patch

ok I noticed this new patch has Scroll Fragments. Anyone else spot anything new in this patch?

Scroll Fragments sell value 50 gems
I just spin Casino and
still no luck in that Scroll Fragments

Is there any information on how many skill scroll fragments are needed to obtain a skill scroll?

also are the values the same for all of the skill scrolls?

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Originally Posted by Herby

20 fragments: Savagery
30 fragments: Dervish attack
40 fragments: Gutshot
50 fragments: Sweeping Slash

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Interesting. So Savagery is less than Dervish Attack and Sweeping Slash?

How did they come up with this?

Of all skills, I prefer GutShot. :) Makes your main into Africana

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Originally Posted by Riot

Interesting. So Savagery is less than Dervish Attack and Sweeping Slash?

How did they come up with this?

Of all skills, I prefer GutShot. :) Makes your main into Africana

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we dont know how strong savagery is at this point, maybe it adds only like 10/5%. dont forget that the skill from lance is greater savagery and you are used to 50/30%


EDIT: dervish attack may be the way to go since it can crit on hits (crit damage) and on skill (x2 attack) and for PVE i would clearly prefer sweeping slash

2 things

1. Herby how did you find that information?

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Gut shot makes it like Cleo - Scipio has Greater gutshot

Yea, it doesn't appear that these are Greater skills, so you'll probably end up like Cleo (Gutshot) or Themistocles (Savagery). I would have to assume that sweeping slash and dervish are going to be the better of the two skills. But who knows, we could be wrong... we won't know til someone actually gets one of these scrolls.

:)

Gut Shot ... remember that skill. It will sting when it takes out your weakest hero... which is most likely your support class :P

Savagery is 30% power and 20% crit for 3 turns and is my second favorite skill.

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Originally Posted by Herby

20 fragments: Savagery
30 fragments: Dervish attack
40 fragments: Gutshot
50 fragments: Sweeping Slash

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Yah .. how do you become privvy to this info before anyone else?

Basically, instead of a chance at a skill scroll we now have a "Fragment" to look forward to. I do not see the need or use for this patch, there are many more aspects of this game that need attention such as arena and rag rewards.

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Originally Posted by ExecDude

Basically, instead of a chance at a skill scroll we now have a "Fragment" to look forward to. I do not see the need or use for this patch, there are many more aspects of this game that need attention such as arena and rag rewards.

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Careful, Open Minded Individuals are not allowed in here.. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by ExecDude

Basically, instead of a chance at a skill scroll we now have a "Fragment" to look forward to. I do not see the need or use for this patch, there are many more aspects of this game that need attention such as arena and rag rewards.

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Both are there.

LOL... so now we need to get super lucky for a scroll or just regular lucky 20-50 times for a fragment.....geez

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Originally Posted by ChickenWing

Both are there.

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Yes, they are, but do you think you have a better chance at a skill scroll or a fragment now? How long will you have to do the casino to save up enough fragments? The high stakes and high rewards nature of this casino when it was first introduced was more attractive than what it has turned into. At least then I could spend 1000 gems and break even or come out far head of my investment, now all I get are 90% chests, 8% coins and creds, and 2% chance at a random item which includes mainly single blue and purple medals. This is now as bad as the wheel of misfortune on evony. The message here is to stop fixing things that are just right, and fix what's broken first.

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Originally Posted by ExecDude

Basically, instead of a chance at a skill scroll we now have a "Fragment" to look forward to. I do not see the need or use for this patch, there are many more aspects of this game that need attention such as arena and rag rewards.

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However, there is a sell value of 50 gems which imo is quite lekker

I'm inclined to agree with Execdude on this.

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Originally Posted by ExecDude

Yes, they are, but do you think you have a better chance at a skill scroll or a fragment now? How long will you have to do the casino to save up enough fragments? The high stakes and high rewards nature of this casino when it was first introduced was more attractive than what it has turned into. At least then I could spend 1000 gems and break even or come out far head of my investment, now all I get are 90% chests, 8% coins and creds, and 2% chance at a random item which includes mainly single blue and purple medals. This is now as bad as the wheel of misfortune on evony. The message here is to stop fixing things that are just right, and fix what's broken first.

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Chances of getting a scroll are probably the same as before.
Chances of getting fragments are probably better than those of getting a scroll.

Overall, I'd say the chances of getting a scroll have "improved" because the percentage of getting it from the frags adds to the one of getting it from a direct spin.

I don't mean that they are good though...

I saw someone out there who got a dervish attack scroll early on in the casino and someone got a lvl 8+ chip and someone got a 10k and 20k gem from casino on different servers. So there has to be some instances where it seems, it is not just predetermined, but based on how the "roll" comes when it spins the next board to roll the chips.

This fragment is just another way of saying, you can be assured a scroll if you spend a certain amount of gems. Which is kind of how fragments are set up with coins in the rune temple. It seems logical and it also makes me think this is to help users from getting too discouraged, when they keep rolling casino and see they have no "indicator" that tells them how close they are to getting the scroll, when in fact they may be close. The scroll now provides that indicator.

Spin cost down to 5 gems on one server I play on, but not on the other.

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Originally Posted by Talia

Spin cost down to 5 gems on one server I play on, but not on the other.

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They are trying out lower prices on a select few servers to see if they can get players to spend more gems on the casino than they are now.

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Originally Posted by davidschlebusch_6020359

However, there is a sell value of 50 gems which imo is quite lekker

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what is a lekker?

Forget the wheel... it's a gem scam. The more they add to it to attract us, the less odds we'll ever get it. Hate that whole concept, might be ok for fun if it only had items that were not so "rare", if you could obtain them another way, then "luck" would be cool. However, when it becomes the ONLY way to get said items, it's no longer a free game. Pay to get them, pay to TRY to get them... pffff.

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Originally Posted by MisChief

what is a lekker?

Forget the wheel... it's a gem scam. The more they add to it to attract us, the less odds we'll ever get it. Hate that whole concept, might be ok for fun if it only had items that were not so "rare", if you could obtain them another way, then "luck" would be cool. However, when it becomes the ONLY way to get said items, it's no longer a free game. Pay to get them, pay to TRY to get them... pffff.

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LoL rephrase of your question: What is "Lekker"

1.) There is such a thing as google (thats why it is there for you to find out things) ;)
2.) Its a commonly used afrikaans or dutch term which literally means "really nice"

Guess I was not that interested to google it. :) Ty, tho.

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Originally Posted by ExecDude

Yes, they are, but do you think you have a better chance at a skill scroll or a fragment now? How long will you have to do the casino to save up enough fragments? The high stakes and high rewards nature of this casino when it was first introduced was more attractive than what it has turned into. At least then I could spend 1000 gems and break even or come out far head of my investment, now all I get are 90% chests, 8% coins and creds, and 2% chance at a random item which includes mainly single blue and purple medals. This is now as bad as the wheel of misfortune on evony. The message here is to stop fixing things that are just right, and fix what's broken first.

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The casino rewards are the same when it came out i spent a lot of gems on the first day and didn't break even or get more than what i invested maybe you got lucky dawnseeker as also confirmed this that the rwards output has not been changed or the percentage of getting high rewards.

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Originally Posted by Riot

I saw someone out there who got a dervish attack scroll early on in the casino and someone got a lvl 8+ chip and someone got a 10k and 20k gem from casino on different servers. So there has to be some instances where it seems, it is not just predetermined, but based on how the "roll" comes when it spins the next board to roll the chips.

This fragment is just another way of saying, you can be assured a scroll if you spend a certain amount of gems. Which is kind of how fragments are set up with coins in the rune temple. It seems logical and it also makes me think this is to help users from getting too discouraged, when they keep rolling casino and see they have no "indicator" that tells them how close they are to getting the scroll, when in fact they may be close. The scroll now provides that indicator.

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Not predetermined? Then it would be good to use the same system for all their "shuffles".

Well the items definitely changed, there were no single blue and purple medals or any stamina amount under 100. The return I got was not even worth 100 gems when I tried two days ago. BTW Like saints and stars casino is "randomly" predetermined, I have proven this much from testing it out.

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Originally Posted by ExecDude

Well the items definitely changed, there were no single blue and purple medals or any stamina amount under 100. The return I got was not even worth 100 gems when I tried two days ago. BTW Like saints and stars casino is "randomly" predetermined, I have proven this much from testing it out.

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What does randomly predetermined mean?

Casino is just full of "Suck"!
Suck out more of your cash
Suck out more frustration
...and it just plain sucks!

I think i got a purple hero card for 200 gems. Great ROI

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Originally Posted by rickgira_8334803

Casino is just full of "Suck"!
Suck out more of your cash
Suck out more frustration
...and it just plain sucks!

I think i got a purple hero card for 200 gems. Great ROI

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So far between 2 servers spending about 100 gems, i've walked away with 10 mil coins, 2 maria cards, 200 gems, 13 mil creds, and too many lvl 1 chips to count...I say the casino is awesome.

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Originally Posted by DrthCaedus

So far between 2 servers spending about 100 gems, i've walked away with 10 mil coins, 2 maria cards, 200 gems, 13 mil creds, and too many lvl 1 chips to count...I say the casino is awesome.

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it is 20 gems per spin which equals is 5 spins per 100 gems. I am pretty sure you have spent way more than 100 gems.

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Originally Posted by rickgira_8334803

it is 20 gems per spin which equals is 5 spins per 100 gems. I am pretty sure you have spent way more than 100 gems.

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free spins...and 2 doubles :D

I got 10 Purple medals on a free spin

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Originally Posted by Andy

I got 10 Purple medals on a free spin

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unfair!!!!

on another note, i did just see someone on s1 get a scroll fragment...

lmao, just read through most of the forum topics. The only people who are "lucky" and praise the changes are moderators or deeply involved ones while normal players see how money grabbing this game has become :D

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Originally Posted by Arma_4332056

lmao, just read through most of the forum topics. The only people who are "lucky" and praise the changes are moderators or deeply involved ones while normal players see how money grabbing this game has become :D

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Andy just said he won 10 purple medals on the Casino once, doesn't make him more 'lucky' than anyone else. The best thing I've won on the Casino is a couple of purple cards and 100 stamina. Guess that blows your theory out of the water. :p

And if this 'money grabbing' game offends you that much you can always stop playing it. There you go I bet you feel a lot better now lol.

Some players on our server got a Maria Card, and another a Leader Card, on the FREE spin

Savagery - 20 Frags
Dervish Attack -25 Frags
Gutshot - 30 Frags
Sweeping Slash - 50 Frags

http://puu.sh/7XhSR.jpg

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Originally Posted by Cuddles_1461020

Some players on our server got a Maria Card, and another a Leader Card, on the FREE spin

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I got a leader card once. Nothing too exciting. It's fun, but won't make much of a difference in the end.

The Maria card is something else though. I'd love to get that one :P

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Originally Posted by MuffJunky

Savagery - 20 Frags
Dervish Attack -25 Frags
Gutshot - 30 Frags
Sweeping Slash - 50 Frags

http://puu.sh/7XhSR.jpg

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Awesome. Btw... what does a fragment look like? Are they in the chests?

The fragments look like 3 old pieces of parchment stacked on top of each other. The image only shows the corner of the papers though. You'll know it when you see it in Casino.