Can anyone confirm that the following spreadsheet showing mount XP/HP progression is correct. Does XP required continue to double?
http://imageshack.com/a/img829/5765/59e.gif
Pretty crazy requirements, if the XP does in fact continue to double.
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Can anyone confirm that the following spreadsheet showing mount XP/HP progression is correct. Does XP required continue to double?
http://imageshack.com/a/img829/5765/59e.gif
Pretty crazy requirements, if the XP does in fact continue to double.
Very nice. Thanks. Wont be spending gems to boost since i know what im running into now. I will wait the 5 years....
Yes the dragon is completely wrong
2500 exp for 1 star
5k for 2 stars 10k for 3 etc etc
takes 448 years at 5 free feedings a day to get to 15
Ok, thanks matt. The spreadsheet has been corrected for dragon.Quote:
Originally Posted by mattp169
I was about to buy the dragon, but maybe the 1b coins will be better spent elsewhere
Well, we all know these are absolutely crazy requirements, but I'm betting that atleast one guy here is willing to drop 96,000 gems to have a 10 star dragon. That is all Tynon needs to not change it.
umm.. yeah. Guess that is that. Thanks for the chart.
* This is exactly why I haven't dropped everything and adopted a punky pet dragon. The bear is enough, since we will never see the outer limits of this feature. Well... not at this rate anyhow.
If you spend gems to buy a mount it will e already starred to a certain level that is what tynon wants people to do.
It says there's only a chance of getting a starred mount, and it doesn't even assure what level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
So even buying using gems won't even assure you a starred mount.
thats kinda scary isnt it? i mean if i had the cash and was someones rich kid and wouldnt have to worry about money then i maybe, just maybe spend 20k gems on a dragon... but for a "chance" to get an improved one? "improved" can mean here 1 star.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herby
i read at some point that the developers where planning on changing all this, the feeds and a new pet too i believe. i really wonder what happened to that and if it will make it easier to feed them. if it was up to me, i would simply break them down in smaller XP steps (if a pet was already fed before it would go into the next star bracket by default and not loose any XP). 224 years (or 3.07m gems) for the max level needs to be cut back significantly to a more realistic basis. if it was cut back to a 100th of that with 2years or 30k gems would still seem very far but more achievable and dont forget that there would also be the actual cost of 20k gems for the dragon itself.
The main thing that needs adjusted is only getting 200 Exp for 15 gems.
Several of us have made suggestion to fix this.
Unlimited feeds
tames are 5 gems
then change exp scale for all mounts to match white horse
each mount costs more to feed then the last
so a white horse costs 500k a feed
while a dragon costs 2m a feed
If you do the math. It lets you get it done much quicker but still will take 3-4 years to get a dragon to level 15 with just feeds
Because it would still cost 194b coins to feed it to level 15 and 49b coins to get a white horse to level 15
SO even if you could find 1b coins a week to feed your dragon thats 194 weeks or 3.73 years or 241m gems to do tames
Tynon should not make the experience equation double each time (or make the xp the sum of all the past xps).
A more feasible equation is to make the next level's xp the sum of current level's xp + the previous level's xp
Example: Dragon xp
1: 2500
2: 2500
3: 5000
4: 7500
5: 12500
6: 20000
7: 32500
8: 52500
9: 85000
10: 137500
11: 222500
12: 360000
13: 582500
14: 942500
15: 1525000
Add to this the ff: abilities:
- tame costs 15 gems / 200 xp for levels 1-10
- tame costs 10 gems / 200 xp for levels 10-15
- feed has no daily limit, but instead, doubles in coin cost from levels 1-5, 6-10, and 11-15
- base feed coin amount costs more as the quality of mount increases
It won't be easy to get a mount to level 10, or even 15. But it won't be impossible either.
This seems good as well depending on the actual feed costs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herby
That sounds like a really good idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herby
Doubling only works for the first few levels, then it just goes completely out of whack
448 years goes quick really.Quote:
Originally Posted by mattp169
Someone must have hit you in the head with a shovel, that's a great Idea Herby!!.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herby
Here's a more detailed table
Dragon XP:
1: 2500 - 250m coins / 250 gems
2: 5000 - 500m coins / 500 gems
3: 7500 - 750m coins / 750 gems
4: 12500 - 1.25b coins / 1250 gems
5: 20000 - 2.00b coins / 2000 gems
6: 32500 - 3.25b coins / 3250 gems
7: 52500 - 5.25b coins / 5250 gems
8: 85000 - 8.50b coins / 8500 gems
9: 137500 - 13.75b coins / 13750 gems
10: 222500 - 22.25b coins / 22250 gems
11: 360000 - 36.00b coins / 36000 gems
12: 582500 - 58.25b coins / 58250 gems
13: 942500 - 94.25b coins / 94250 gems
14: 1525000 - 152.5b coins / 152500 gems
15: 2467500 - 246.75b coins / 246750 gems
Bear XP:
1: 1000 - 100m coins / 100 gems
2: 2000 - 200m coins / 200 gems
3: 3000 - 300m coins / 300 gems
4: 5000 - 500m coins / 500 gems
5: 8000 - 800m coins / 800 gems
6: 13000 - 1.3b coins / 1300 gems
7: 21000 - 2.1b coins / 2100 gems
8: 33000 - 3.3b coins / 3300 gems
9: 54000 - 5.4b coins / 5400 gems
10: 87000 - 8.7b coins / 8700 gems
11: 141000 - 14.1b coins / 14100 gems
12: 228000 - 22.8b coins / 22800 gems
13: 369000 - 36.8b coins / 36900 gems
14: 597000 - 59.7b coins / 59700 gems
15: 966000 - 96.6b coins / 96600 gems
Feeding/Tame proposal (revised):
- Remove feeding per day limits
- Change feed costs to 10m coins per feed
- Change tame costs to 10 gems for 100 xp
- Using gems to tame will cost a lot less than using coins, so there is a big tradeoff
Ok now that we have more numbers, I disagree with the feed price at 10m. Seems too high. I believe it should cost more to feed a dragon then a horse. So I am more in favor of different prices for different mounts. I think Dragon should be around 2m a feedQuote:
Originally Posted by Herby
But 10 gems for 100 exp is off.
With guild techs and RA bonus and city buffs - the shrine gives more then 10m coins for 9 gems. SO you need to revisit that.
The exp I like, unlimited feeds I like, but the pricing is still off a bit.
Lets just look at the total.
How many coins should you spend to get a dragon to 15 stars only using feeds?
Then it should be scaled down for each other mount without making the white horse to easy to get to 15 stars.
LMAO Yep, gonna fly right by. I cant' wait. Ridiculous. I think they don't consider reality, just "fun with numbers" when they set these things up.Quote:
Originally Posted by cnn1_7545681
In UCool office; Fred .."Ok, we got it I think that will hold em for a while." George..."Well done Fred!! We don't want to have to change that too soon."
I actually agree with you lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by mattp169
Looking at it now, my costs seem ok in the lower levels, but quickly grow out of proportion.
How about 1m per feed for the blue mounts, 3m for the purples, and 5m for the golds?
The costs should all stay at 1m per feed otherwise you are going to get lots of people complaining on your doorstep and I will do you a favour by being the first one .. just sayingQuote:
Originally Posted by Herby
+1 to Herby & matt's ideas here
well here's the thing.
I think we all agree on 2 concepts
1. feeds hould be unlimited
2. that it should cost more to get a dragon to level 15 then a white horse.
The way it is now, It cost more by being more exp per level for a dragon vs a horse.
Herby's complete suggestion make sit cost more not only by experience and coins-
The problem with the way it is now is that even with the experience of a white horse it takes 53 years of 5 feedings a day to get to 15.
SO if you remove the feeding limit you can significantly speed that up, but you are still limited by your income.
But just doing unlimited feeds still makes the dragon unreasonable.
So lets Keep It Simple
Unlimited feeds make sit easier and limits progress by income.
reducing the exp needed overall significantly is needed to be able to level a mount up in a reasonable time frame.
Making different mounts cost different amounts would only be needed if the experience is not scaled low enough.
SO I think Herby and I are both on the right track with our 2 similar ideas. But its too complicated. We need a more simplistic idea
That makes leveling up a dragon reasonable in time, but not make the white horse too easy.
And makes the gains from more equivalent base don amount invested. SO 100m coins invested in a dragon is better then investing 100m coins in a bear or rhino.
The problem is... it's exponential with only linear returns. Changing it from x2 each time, to x1.5 or 1.2, etc, would drastically lower the time needed if that's what they want.
I do not agree that feeding should be unlimited. It will make it too easy for some one with the ability to get coins to star up a mount, and therefore promoting the use of Alts. I do believe that more feeding should be allowed without having to spend Gems. Perhaps it could be a combination of more daily feedings at the current cost per feed (enough som that you could reach 15 stars in a reasonable but not necessarily short amount of time, a year or two for example) and if you want to be able to do do more feedings in a day the cost per feeding would double for every subsequent set with the sers becoming increasingly smaller.Quote:
Originally Posted by mattp169
For example, increase the daily feedings and reduce the requirements so that you can reach 15 stars on a Dragon in 2 years by doing 20 feedings a day at the current cost of a feed. If you want to do more feedings, the next 10 would each be double the cost of each of the first twenty. The five after that each be double of the prior ten. The next two after that double of the five, The one after that double of the prior 2. From then on the cost of each feeding would continue to double from the cost of the prior one for the next 10. The the ten after that it would quadruple from the prior one. and there would be no more feedings allowed after that that day.
I like this. The costs are cheaper if you plan on taking longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy
Andy,Andy,AndyQuote:
Originally Posted by Andy
Ok lets look at this
with the current EXP for a white horse and 1m per feed
it costs 100b coins to get a white horse to 15 stars
and a dragon costs 818b coins
SO even if you could farm 10 really nice alts a day and get 2b gold coins a week
it would take 1 year of not doing any black smith or runes to get a white horse to 15 stars and 7.8 years for a dragon
Your reason of having unlimited feeds is invalid at these costs, both coins and exp needed.
A lot of good ideas here.
However, the mounts can fairly easily over power this game to a point where all heroics and royal challenges becomes too easy. Given that the mounts with buffs were added with no change to the current heroics or royal challenges leaves potential for other changes if it becomes too easy to get to higher stars
Unless this game scales differently; and all heroics and royal challenges are changed to be comparable to the HP gains at the 9+ star ranking, making it easier to obtain higher stars may be a devil in disguise.
Thus, accepting the fact that the current HP gains from mounts with no change to the heroics and royal challenges, it would not scale properly if starring up the mounts were made easier.
This requires much more thinking - about the entire game balance if mount experience or changes are made.
This is a valid point to a degree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Riot
But i think you over value HP like many players do. It adds alotto your total power but doesnt help as much as some think.
Also without a change or even with the changes herby or I suggest, getting to 10+ stars takes a lot of work, money or sacrifice of runes/black smith
That is your opinion as invalid as it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by mattp169
I would like to be able to feed both my bear and my dragon x5 per day. Right now, if I want to feed Dragon it puts me at a disadvantage for about half a year while other people level up their bears. If I only feed my bear, then eventually I will want a dragon or be faced at a disadvantage versus people with dragons. I should have the option to spend coins on both Bear and Dragon x5 per day, allowing me to build up my bear right now while investing in a Dragon for the future.
I think the newest pvm bosses are already scaled up for this. There's a huge jump in power required to defeat scipio as opposed to khan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Riot
It's quite obvious why you want it to be more difficult to progress though. If you replace 'mounts' with 'ability to spend a ton of cash' in your statements, it would still make sense.
I am probably also in the group of people who overvalue hp. Hp is awesome. If monsters need a buff, it should be in damage to counteract this. Too many monsters are winning fights by making us hit the round cap.'
Edit: +1 to Yelshas idea... although, by the time they change it, it will probably be too late for me.
Better late than never. Even if I already have a 8 star bear by the time they implement this, it means I can start working a Dragon while still building up the bear in anticipation of when my Dragon becomes better than the bear, albeit it may take 5 years for that lol. Right now, only thing Dragon is good for is the 2-3 seconds I can save during the lady event I never participate in and the 0.05 seconds per round I can save in Banish. Doesn't even look any more badass than the bear.Quote:
Originally Posted by g346007_1906957
It's late for me because I'm buffing the dragon now :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Yelsha
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yelsha
That's what I'm saying. No matter how you look at it, the bear is much more desirable to me. 1b coins looks good in my gear and runes.
I'll get a dragon when the cost to upgrade it isn't only affordable by 3 people in Tynon.
Well, We all can wait 448 years right?....No?....okay :(Quote:
Originally Posted by mattp169
ok here is my suggestion
get rid of tames use the gems to buy coins to use on
unlimited feeds
feeds scale
whit horse 250k
black horse 500k
leopard 750k
tiger 1m
bear 1.25 m
rhino 1.5m
dragon 2m
exp per level is the same for all mounts
here is a chart
White Horse Black Horse leopard tiger bear rhino dragon exp @250k per feed @500k per feed @750k per feed @1m per feed @1.25m per feed @1.5m per feed @2m per feed 1 star 300 750,000 1,500,000 2,250,000 3,000,000 3,750,000 4,500,000 6,000,000 2 star 600 1,500,000 3,000,000 4,500,000 6,000,000 7,500,000 9,000,000 12,000,000 3 star 1200 3,000,000 6,000,000 9,000,000 12,000,000 15,000,000 18,000,000 24,000,000 4 star 2400 6,000,000 12,000,000 18,000,000 24,000,000 30,000,000 36,000,000 48,000,000 5 star 4800 12,000,000 24,000,000 36,000,000 48,000,000 60,000,000 72,000,000 96,000,000 6 star 9600 24,000,000 48,000,000 72,000,000 96,000,000 120,000,000 144,000,000 192,000,000 7 star 19200 48,000,000 96,000,000 144,000,000 192,000,000 240,000,000 288,000,000 384,000,000 8 star 38400 96,000,000 192,000,000 288,000,000 384,000,000 480,000,000 576,000,000 768,000,000 9 star 76800 192,000,000 384,000,000 576,000,000 768,000,000 960,000,000 1,152,000,000 1,536,000,000 10 star 153600 384,000,000 768,000,000 1,152,000,000 1,536,000,000 1,920,000,000 2,304,000,000 3,072,000,000 11 star 307200 768,000,000 1,536,000,000 2,304,000,000 3,072,000,000 3,840,000,000 4,608,000,000 6,144,000,000 12 star 614400 1,536,000,000 3,072,000,000 4,608,000,000 6,144,000,000 7,680,000,000 9,216,000,000 12,288,000,000 13 star 1228800 3,072,000,000 6,144,000,000 9,216,000,000 12,288,000,000 15,360,000,000 18,432,000,000 24,576,000,000 14 star 2457600 6,144,000,000 12,288,000,000 18,432,000,000 24,576,000,000 30,720,000,000 36,864,000,000 49,152,000,000 15 star 4915200 12,288,000,000 24,576,000,000 36,864,000,000 49,152,000,000 61,440,000,000 73,728,000,000 98,304,000,000 total needed 9830100 24,575,250,000 49,150,500,000 73,725,750,000 98,301,000,000 122,876,250,000 147,451,500,000 196,602,000,000
As you can see a white horse takes 24b coins to get to 15 stars. Now that is achievable in a short time for some big players. but only gives 16k hp which can be achieved with a dragon for a lot less
So the coin costs alone will slow down people along with the common sense approach
I still feel a transfer option should be instituted allowing a player to transfer the amount of coins spent on a mount to another leveling the new mount up by that amount of coins. A germ cost can be charged for a perfect transfer. Or coins for an imperfect which would only transfer 75% of the coins invested.
I think this will not allow people to level up a mount to fast and gain an unreasonable amount of HP too quickly while making the 15 star achievement more likely in a reasonable amount of time
This would be an awesome idea. Then you no longer need to feed multiple mounts, you can choose to invest as much as you want into any one mount. Then people can choose for initial boost (bear) or long term advantage (dragon).Quote:
Originally Posted by mattp169
ok after staring at my chart. I think it would be too easy to get to 9 stars on any mount
so I came up with a new chart. STill makes the first couple stars easy. makes the the middle stars a little tougher, and keeps the over all costs about the same
White Horse Black Horse leopard tiger bear rhino dragon exp @250k per feed @500k per feed @750k per feed @1m per feed @1.25m per feed @1.5m per feed @2m per feed 1 star 300 750,000 1,500,000 2,250,000 3,000,000 3,750,000 4,500,000 6,000,000 2 star 900 2,250,000 4,500,000 6,750,000 9,000,000 11,250,000 13,500,000 18,000,000 3 star 2700 6,750,000 13,500,000 20,250,000 27,000,000 33,750,000 40,500,000 54,000,000 4 star 5400 13,500,000 27,000,000 40,500,000 54,000,000 67,500,000 81,000,000 108,000,000 5 star 10800 27,000,000 54,000,000 81,000,000 108,000,000 135,000,000 162,000,000 216,000,000 6 star 21600 54,000,000 108,000,000 162,000,000 216,000,000 270,000,000 324,000,000 432,000,000 7 star 43200 108,000,000 216,000,000 324,000,000 432,000,000 540,000,000 648,000,000 864,000,000 8 star 86400 216,000,000 432,000,000 648,000,000 864,000,000 1,080,000,000 1,296,000,000 1,728,000,000 9 star 172800 432,000,000 864,000,000 1,296,000,000 1,728,000,000 2,160,000,000 2,592,000,000 3,456,000,000 10 star 259200 648,000,000 1,296,000,000 1,944,000,000 2,592,000,000 3,240,000,000 3,888,000,000 5,184,000,000 11 star 388800 972,000,000 1,944,000,000 2,916,000,000 3,888,000,000 4,860,000,000 5,832,000,000 7,776,000,000 12 star 583200 1,458,000,000 2,916,000,000 4,374,000,000 5,832,000,000 7,290,000,000 8,748,000,000 11,664,000,000 13 star 1166400 2,916,000,000 5,832,000,000 8,748,000,000 11,664,000,000 14,580,000,000 17,496,000,000 23,328,000,000 14 star 2332800 5,832,000,000 11,664,000,000 17,496,000,000 23,328,000,000 29,160,000,000 34,992,000,000 46,656,000,000 15 star 4665600 11,664,000,000 23,328,000,000 34,992,000,000 46,656,000,000 58,320,000,000 69,984,000,000 93,312,000,000 total needed 9740100 24,350,250,000 48,700,500,000 73,050,750,000 97,401,000,000 121,751,250,000 146,101,500,000 194,802,000,000
Hi
Thanks all for info and data
I stop using gems for my dragon till 3 stars.
I only use 1 mill coin for feed.
If there is another feature like
DRESSING or UPGRADE ARMOR using with credit 1 mill for 200 exp point 5 time a day
I hope that will be very good for all of us
What is your options? ?
How about adding another 5 feed attemps for each star a Mount got. woud keep the feed limit, but raising the limit as people progres through the game.
another idea could be adding more feed attepts after beating royal arena bosses, maybe + 1 or 2 feed