Boss fight stupidity

1. You need to remove the message about knocking him down before others do as it no longer serves a purpose.
2. His revenge mode/mystery hp/you get nothing while hitting him needs to be removed from the game. We kill baal and cerb in under 10 minutes then wait another 8 to 10 minutes before he dies in that mode getting no coins, credits, or rep. It's a waste of time and preventing us from moving to the next boss because we can't do it in under 15 minutes. I'm assuming it's based on how many times he is hit not how hard he is hit so if not many on your realm this just becomes an epic waste of time.
3. The only times I have won the 10k coins is when I was standing at the front or running up to him so it wasn't even a last hit type feel.
4. If you want to have a 10k coin giveaway twice a day that's fine but should have nothing to do with boss fights. If your going to give credit for last hit then make it to where you actually get credit for the last hit..... just a thought.

You haven't been online much recently have you?

Lots have changed. Final countdown isn't an issue anymore.

I posted on these issues months ago, still no change. I would say final countdown is 100% an issue as it doesn't make any sense, as I believe I have clearly stated above. I see you are still trolling the forums daily though. I believe you were the one trolling about magic attacks going onto heroes that can't use magic not being an issue either......

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Originally Posted by Legolas Bow of Athena

I posted on these issues months ago, still no change. I would say final countdown is 100% an issue as it doesn't make any sense, as I believe I have clearly stated above. I see you are still trolling the forums daily though. I believe you were the won trolling about magic attacks going onto heroes that can't use magic not being an issue either......

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I can't seem to remember that one.

Enlighten me?

Dig through your 1900 posts and you will find it. I only point out issues in the game out of common sense. Most of the changes I have suggested have been changed despite you trying to give reasons that don't make any sense as to why they should be valid and unchanged. Luckily my posts are for the Tynon developers to use and think about if I have a valid point or not, not you. All it takes is a little bit of common sense and you can see there is no need to have a message to knock baal or cerb down when you actually don't even get coins/credits/or rep on the last hit, so getting the last hit is the worst thing you can do. It's better to power down and score a little bit of damage for the loot. Then the last hit is given to people that are not even getting the last hit, they are standing at the entrance. How you can try to justify that is something that is not an issue is just funny to me.

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Originally Posted by Legolas Bow of Athena

Dig through your 1900 posts and you will find it. I only point out issues in the game out of common sense. Most of the changes I have suggested have been changed despite you trying to give reasons that don't make any sense as to why they should be valid and unchanged. Luckily my posts are for the Tynon developers to use and think about if I have a valid point or not, not you. All it takes is a little bit of common sense and you can see there is no need to have a message to knock baal or cerb down when you actually don't even get coins/credits/or rep on the last hit, so getting the last hit is the worst thing you can do. It's better to power down and score a little bit of damage for the loot. Then the last hit is given to people that are not even getting the last hit, they are standing at the entrance. How you can try to justify that is something that is not an issue is just funny to me.

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Because in the old system, the same people get the last hit over and over, day in and day out. 10m coins guaranteed.

With the new system, the 10m is given to a random person who has damaged the boss. The Tynon devs have confirmed this.

So update what is said in the text on screen, you don't want last hit so change the message that comes up that says hit lottery or something. Fix revenge mode to where the same player such as my self isn't hitting him 6 times for 10 minutes. It's just common sense man, that's all my posts are. As I said months ago, this just encourages people to make alts not only for the 10 mill coins now but I basically need people to make alts just so we can move to the next boss. It isn't a problem with power to kill it, he is dead in under 10 min and that is with the delayed start. But with 6 people in a realm we are there all day just swinging it out in mystery hit mode. If you have a lot of people in your realm then this wouldn't be an issue for you but for as many servers as there are I would suspect it's an issue for many people.

I can work with that.

Tbh I prefer the final countdown mode be based on damage, not number of hits.

Say, a random percentage between 1-10% of the boss's original HP.

That would be excellent, I literally hit him more times in his little revenge mode for no coins, credits, or rep than I did in the actually fight. Just frustrating.

Agreed with both.
It should not be depend on the amount of hits.
This is not working for inactive realms.
If it depends on damage though, I think it will come down to the same as before since you can calculate the damage reasonably well and the big hitters have an advantage.

I would be totally fine with a random lottery- one round system.
Why hit him over and over again anyway since it is determined before the animations of final round are done.

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Originally Posted by Legolas Bow of Athena

That would be excellent, I literally hit him more times in his little revenge mode for no coins, credits, or rep than I did in the actually fight. Just frustrating.

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maybe your frustration is because you dont understand the game mechanics during banish. your problem is because during the rage phase it doesnt matter how many times you hit him per round. it counts the total re-entries of all participating players that are at 35 i believe. so if it takes you 8 minutes to take him down you are doing it with roughly 4-5 players. so if you want the rage phase to take only a minute get 30 alts up. however if you really want to get into the next banish stage then agree with your friends to use the 2 and 4 gem revivals. with your 5 players you whould be able to do it then under 5minutes easy.
also the 10m (not 10k) is randomly determined and not by how much damage you did or how often you hit him.

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Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829

maybe your frustration is because you dont understand the game mechanics during banish. your problem is because during the rage phase it doesnt matter how many times you hit him per round. it counts the total re-entries of all participating players that are at 35 i believe. so if it takes you 8 minutes to take him down you are doing it with roughly 4-5 players. so if you want the rage phase to take only a minute get 30 alts up. however if you really want to get into the next banish stage then agree with your friends to use the 2 and 4 gem revivals. with your 5 players you whould be able to do it then under 5minutes easy.
also the 10m (not 10k) is randomly determined and not by how much damage you did or how often you hit him.

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With what your saying a person could hit baal or cerb 1 time at start of rage mode, then stand at the entrance and turn auto fight off doing no further attacks and still win the 10 mill coins lol. I assumed it was just going to the person that hit him on the 35th shot pending that number is accurate. Considering you are not suppose to play more than 1 account per server, my question is why would rage mode encourage people to use 30 alts, they are not suppose to be allowed in the game so they just need to make adjustments to the game mechanics, otherwise every server will be flooded with alts. So again I think this is an easy fix. Assign Baal and Cerb random amounts of hp, whoever gets last hit gets last hit. Yes the biggest hitters would get the last hit more often but when someone with 100k power who is obviously an alt, do they really need to keep winning the 10 million? I've got the best of both worlds, a couple of alts win the 10 mill on top of that we don't get bigger baal or cerb. So if you can fix this dawnseeker that would be great, or i guess i can just have people start spamming alts, it's whatever, just thought i would suggest something to clean the game up and remove the need for a bunch of alts with the attacks of marshmellows.

also, other people with realms with more people in it are getting like 28k coins per boss fight so I don't even care who wins the 10k coins I'm just ready to be done with revenge mode pointlessly taking a long time and preventing bigger bosses. Just change the last hit to smaller rewards if you want to give away 10k coins twice a day do a realm raffle then boom, everyone is happy and game flows nicely. Trying to get last hit on baal and cerb was one of the fun parts of the game, made peoples adrenaline pump. Most people use stunners so how hard they are going to hit is extremely hard to judge anyway.

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Originally Posted by Legolas Bow of Athena

With what your saying a person could hit baal or cerb 1 time at start of rage mode, then stand at the entrance and turn auto fight off doing no further attacks and still win the 10 mill coins lol.

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This is true. I also think it's stupid.

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Originally Posted by Legolas Bow of Athena

With what your saying a person could hit baal or cerb 1 time at start of rage mode, then stand at the entrance and turn auto fight off doing no further attacks and still win the 10 mill coins lol. I assumed it was just going to the person that hit him on the 35th shot pending that number is accurate. Considering you are not suppose to play more than 1 account per server, my question is why would rage mode encourage people to use 30 alts, they are not suppose to be allowed in the game so they just need to make adjustments to the game mechanics, otherwise every server will be flooded with alts. So again I think this is an easy fix. Assign Baal and Cerb random amounts of hp, whoever gets last hit gets last hit. Yes the biggest hitters would get the last hit more often but when someone with 100k power who is obviously an alt, do they really need to keep winning the 10 million? I've got the best of both worlds, a couple of alts win the 10 mill on top of that we don't get bigger baal or cerb. So if you can fix this dawnseeker that would be great, or i guess i can just have people start spamming alts, it's whatever, just thought i would suggest something to clean the game up and remove the need for a bunch of alts with the attacks of marshmellows.

also, other people with realms with more people in it are getting like 28k coins per boss fight so I don't even care who wins the 10k coins I'm just ready to be done with revenge mode pointlessly taking a long time and preventing bigger bosses. Just change the last hit to smaller rewards if you want to give away 10k coins twice a day do a realm raffle then boom, everyone is happy and game flows nicely. Trying to get last hit on baal and cerb was one of the fun parts of the game, made peoples adrenaline pump. Most people use stunners so how hard they are going to hit is extremely hard to judge anyway.

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ok first of all, i can top it and tell you that you dont even have to be inside to get the reward, the criteria is having to hit him before and have a little luck.
now, about the rest of your ranting blahbing and pushing out hot air thru your piehole: stop insulting me when i am trying to help you! i have never told you that you have to have 30 alts or that i even have a single alt! i suggested to you and your friends to use the gem revivals to get thru it fast for once to switch to the next stage if you can rock it. however the re-entry during that stage will take your 5 friends the same time, so you need to kill it within like 50min or less.
again, its not 28k coins, its maybe 28m coins, i am getting currently 40m+ and that is because its after your damage you do and how many coins are in the pool. the 1.25B HP banish stage got currently 100m (or maybe more, there was some sort of cap i believe done recently but can be wrong on it and then it would be 120m). so your reputation = percentile damage x100, as example, if you do 10% damage you will get 1000 rep as reward on any banish stage. your coins are done by your total damage, so if you do 400m total damage you will get 40m coins. its as simple as that, no magic, no conspiracy against you and no cheating going on, its all straight forward. now if you have no one in your guild to do the banish in your realm then that maybe based on you complaining so much and accusing others.

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Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829

ok first of all, i can top it and tell you that you dont even have to be inside to get the reward, the criteria is having to hit him before and have a little luck.
now, about the rest of your ranting blahbing and pushing out hot air thru your piehole: stop insulting me when i am trying to help you! i have never told you that you have to have 30 alts or that i even have a single alt! i suggested to you and your friends to use the gem revivals to get thru it fast for once to switch to the next stage if you can rock it. however the re-entry during that stage will take your 5 friends the same time, so you need to kill it within like 50min or less.
again, its not 28k coins, its maybe 28m coins, i am getting currently 40m+ and that is because its after your damage you do and how many coins are in the pool. the 1.25B HP banish stage got currently 100m (or maybe more, there was some sort of cap i believe done recently but can be wrong on it and then it would be 120m). so your reputation = percentile damage x100, as example, if you do 10% damage you will get 1000 rep as reward on any banish stage. your coins are done by your total damage, so if you do 400m total damage you will get 40m coins. its as simple as that, no magic, no conspiracy against you and no cheating going on, its all straight forward. now if you have no one in your guild to do the banish in your realm then that maybe based on you complaining so much and accusing others.

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No actually I have been gone for a couple months due to medical reasons and most people have quit because they just think it's a money hungry game. I have a very strong feeling there are low amounts of people on several realms on several servers. We typically have just under 10 people, just under 15 if we are lucky, we kill baal or cerb in less than 10 minutes and we just sit there and twiddle our thumbs waiting during rage mode for the next 6 to 8 minutes.

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Originally Posted by Legolas Bow of Athena

[...] and most people have quit because they just think it's a money hungry game. [...]

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and for the same reason others stay in the game and feed the developers. i never understood anyways why people go buy x-box games, ps2, ps3, ps4, ps 712, ... waste money of $50+ a month, week, some a day. come to this game game and think its too much to spend $4.95 on maria and then cry its too much to spend $19.95 on her later on. call players "coiners" that enjoy the game. you can play the game for free if you so choose and i think its rather annoying your flood of suggestions to take the daily bread out of the mouth of the game makers. you play it too, dont you? and play other games too, no? so man up and spend a little money on your hobby.

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Originally Posted by Legolas Bow of Athena

[...] I have a very strong feeling there are low amounts of people on several realms on several servers. We typically have just under 10 people, just under 15 if we are lucky, we kill baal or cerb in less than 10 minutes and we just sit there and twiddle our thumbs waiting during rage mode for the next 6 to 8 minutes.[...]

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thats just your perspective, on our server (and its rather younger) we have 10-15 per banish and kill the 1.25B in roughly 40minutes. so i suggest to improve your form, get stronger and start owning it.

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Originally Posted by Wildflower

Why hit him over and over again anyway since it is determined before the animations of final round are done.

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i dont know if its true but i think that has been implemented to avoid them bouncing up and down and switching bosses over and over. for example today they beat the 50m in time to fail on the 250m because someone "called in sick" and then next day they beat the 50m again in like 5 minutes... we are on the 1.25B one and you can literally feel a low attendance and when it gets close and comes down to the wire if we can kill it in time or not. i dont think the 2-3 minutes for the rage round make any difference, even tho i agree on not liking it.

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Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829

i dont know if its true but i think that has been implemented to avoid them bouncing up and down and switching bosses over and over. for example today they beat the 50m in time to fail on the 250m because someone "called in sick" and then next day they beat the 50m again in like 5 minutes... we are on the 1.25B one and you can literally feel a low attendance and when it gets close and comes down to the wire if we can kill it in time or not. i dont think the 2-3 minutes for the rage round make any difference, even tho i agree on not liking it.

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Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829

ok first of all, i can top it and tell you that you dont even have to be inside to get the reward, the criteria is having to hit him before and have a little luck.

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This is what I ment.
I know this to be true and thus it must be predetermined as soon as the rage stage happens.
Why the need to draw it out for multiple rounds is beyond me.
It does in no way help the bouncing, in fact for most servers it apparently makes them bounce continuesly when someone calls in sick ;).

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Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829

so if you want the rage phase to take only a minute get 30 alts up

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wouldn't that be against the TOS and considered cheating? Just wondering, but how many zombies are there in Tynon? They should change the name of this game to Zombie Nation or something.

and remove the wait time between phase 1 and two please its a waste of time, and just make it harder to progress to next tier WB

and the 2 min. wait in the beginning plz

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Originally Posted by Herby

I can work with that.

Tbh I prefer the final countdown mode be based on damage, not number of hits.

Say, a random percentage between 1-10% of the boss's original HP.

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This is a good idea. I'll pass it on.

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Originally Posted by Herby

I can work with that.

Tbh I prefer the final countdown mode be based on damage, not number of hits.

Say, a random percentage between 1-10% of the boss's original HP.

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This can actually make the last hip phase last longer since Baal and Cerb can not be stunned at that time. The only way to prolong the fighting is to use a morale drainer in the top right corner and if you do not normally use one then that means switching heroes and you only have one minute to do it in.

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Originally Posted by Andy

This can actually make the last hip phase last longer since Baal and Cerb can not be stunned at that time. The only way to prolong the fighting is to use a morale drainer in the top right corner and if you do not normally use one then that means switching heroes and you only have one minute to do it in.

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One minute is long enough to switch in the 1 hero... Maybe not your entire formation to replace the stunners, but I think that's fine. Damage makes more sense since that's what determines if you could take on the next level, as opposed to # of players hitting.

The final mode is lame and boring, and even with Herbys idea it would still be boring. Since it predeterminated anyway just pick a random player from the damagelist and reward that person without letting all of us go through a brainless final fight.

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Originally Posted by Nymeria

The final mode is lame and boring, and even with Herbys idea it would still be boring. Since it predeterminated anyway just pick a random player from the damagelist and reward that person without letting all of us go through a brainless final fight.

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AGreed

just get rid of final hit mode. and randomly give someone 10m coins. or maybe 100m coins

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Originally Posted by Nymeria

The final mode is lame and boring, and even with Herbys idea it would still be boring. Since it predeterminated anyway just pick a random player from the damagelist and reward that person without letting all of us go through a brainless final fight.

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Actually, +1 to this instead. Maybe scale up hp on bosses a tiny bit to make up for this, but there is no need for a separate final fight.

NO need to scale up and NO NEED FOR FINAL FIGHT and NO TO HERBY'S SUGGESTION. Get rid if final fight ASAP! Thank you Dawn & Tynon!
Its nice coming from a server where there are 30-40 people on during Banish, but I have many friends on other servers who are killing 250M Baal in a little over 5 minutes but can't progress because there are 3-5 people on during Banish, so it takes 7-10 minutes just for the stupid useless final fight sequences. That's just not fair!

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Originally Posted by Yelsha

NO need to scale up and NO NEED FOR FINAL FIGHT and NO TO HERBY'S SUGGESTION. Get rid if final fight ASAP! Thank you Dawn & Tynon!
Its nice coming from a server where there are 30-40 people on during Banish, but I have many friends on other servers who are killing 250M Baal in a little over 5 minutes but can't progress because there are 3-5 people on during Banish, so it takes 7-10 minutes just for the stupid useless final fight sequences. That's just not fair!

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AGreed +1.654

I understand at least some of the reasoning behind the fight for "killing blow".
1) The old system basically gave one or two players final blow every time. The new system randomizes it much more.
2) It encourages cooperation between guilds. I played on beta and one player insisted on attacking others while everyone fought baal/cerberus. When one guild with a handful of players dominate all opposition, then the weaker players leave the game.
3) Fewer players attacking baal or cerberus extends the end period where the "final blow" lands.
4) Fewer players on the servers brings less excitement to the game and less income for the game company.

Thus, one factor in killing baal or cerberus involves having enough players interested in the game. I kicked someone from my guild on 86 for attacking smaller players in other guilds fighting our baal/cerberus. Keeping players in other guilds active pays off in the end.

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Originally Posted by Yelsha

NO need to scale up and NO NEED FOR FINAL FIGHT and NO TO HERBY'S SUGGESTION. Get rid if final fight ASAP! Thank you Dawn & Tynon!
Its nice coming from a server where there are 30-40 people on during Banish, but I have many friends on other servers who are killing 250M Baal in a little over 5 minutes but can't progress because there are 3-5 people on during Banish, so it takes 7-10 minutes just for the stupid useless final fight sequences. That's just not fair!

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Originally Posted by mattp169

AGreed +1.654

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You know what, Matt and Yelsha are about to collapse in shock.....

....I agree with them, for better or worse the final hit phrase of Banish is fine how it is.

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Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829

maybe your frustration is because you dont understand the game mechanics during banish. your problem is because during the rage phase it doesnt matter how many times you hit him per round. it counts the total re-entries of all participating players that are at 35 i believe. so if it takes you 8 minutes to take him down you are doing it with roughly 4-5 players. so if you want the rage phase to take only a minute get 30 alts up. however if you really want to get into the next banish stage then agree with your friends to use the 2 and 4 gem revivals. with your 5 players you whould be able to do it then under 5minutes easy.
also the 10m (not 10k) is randomly determined and not by how much damage you did or how often you hit him.

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Of course using multiple characters (alts) breaches the terms of use contract. I would reject advice from anyone who encourages cheating as a solution.

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Originally Posted by rafmeister_5440998

Of course using multiple characters (alts) breaches the terms of use contract. I would reject advice from anyone who encourages cheating as a solution.

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I agree with this.

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Originally Posted by Morgan le Fay

You know what, Matt and Yelsha are about to collapse in shock.....

....I agree with them, for better or worse the final hit phrase of Banish is fine how it is.

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Well, I also proposed to get rid of it entirely since it really serves no purpose other than to punish players who are on less active servers/realms by making it more difficult to get to next-level bosses. A solution is to remove final blow, and reduce the time limit from 15min to 12min. After the fight, a random player is chosen to get the reward, and the text is changed to, "Great luck! Morgan is able to find Baal's still warm heart after the fight and is able to pawn it for 10,000,000 coin!"