Dawnseeker must read suggestions

So here is a list of easily made adjustments to make the game much more enjoyable for everyone and I hope these are taken into consideration.

1. Make blacksmith and talent queues accessible to be unlocked with gems. You should need to spend a certain amount of money and be a certain vip level to unlock more slots, if people want to speed it up and open more they can spend to get the gems to unlock them, for the players that grind out their gems or only spend a little bit this feature shouldn't just be off limits to them.

2. Fix baal and cerb rage mode. People are getting the last hit while standing at the entrance etc. Lower the rewards for last hit or change hp of the boss each time or something. It should not take 35 hits in rage mode to finish the battle as some realms do not have a lot of people. It also encourages people to use alts who can just start a new character a couple hours before and get the 10 million coins. Having a shot at getting the last hit on him was actually one of the most enjoyable experiences in the game, people use so many stunners it is very difficult to try to calculate last hit now as well as the damage done varies greatly.

3. Increase the Ragnarok rewards. I can have a winning record and lose credits from the boost. I can also usually gain more rep hitting 1 person in the arena or farming 1 monster for a piece of material. This is one of the most exciting parts of the game and the rewards should give back at least what you put in with a high winning record.

Other than that all the other improvements I have seen have been great. Please take these into consideration.

on #1 ... Disagree. Tynon must reward VIPs with something special.

#2 ... Disagree. If final blow were based on damage or # of hits, I'd win it 85%+ of the time with my 8-10minute marathon rounds, and that would get boring fast. It must stay random regardless of damage. I do agree though that ~35 player-attacks is too much.

#3 ... Agree. Many threads have been created petitioning to update Ragnarok to the new Reputation system

1. Vip rewards yield all kinds of benefits. Flip more cards, more chances to feed mount, reset heroic realm, more lab chances, instant lab scores, all those are helpful but nothing compared to the blacksmith and talent queues as equipment and talents play a major roll in this game.

2. I'm open to the last hit being changed to anything or not being used at all. A random lotto where the player doesn't even have to be in the rage mode area or attacking getting last hit there is 100% 0 fun in that.

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Originally Posted by Legolas Bow of Athena

So here is a list of easily made adjustments to make the game much more enjoyable for everyone and I hope these are taken into consideration.

1. Make blacksmith and talent queues accessible to be unlocked with gems. You should need to spend a certain amount of money and be a certain vip level to unlock more slots, if people want to speed it up and open more they can spend to get the gems to unlock them, for the players that grind out their gems or only spend a little bit this feature shouldn't just be off limits to them.

2. Fix baal and cerb rage mode. People are getting the last hit while standing at the entrance etc. Lower the rewards for last hit or change hp of the boss each time or something. It should not take 35 hits in rage mode to finish the battle as some realms do not have a lot of people. It also encourages people to use alts who can just start a new character a couple hours before and get the 10 million coins. Having a shot at getting the last hit on him was actually one of the most enjoyable experiences in the game, people use so many stunners it is very difficult to try to calculate last hit now as well as the damage done varies greatly.

3. Increase the Ragnarok rewards. I can have a winning record and lose credits from the boost. I can also usually gain more rep hitting 1 person in the arena or farming 1 monster for a piece of material. This is one of the most exciting parts of the game and the rewards should give back at least what you put in with a high winning record.

Other than that all the other improvements I have seen have been great. Please take these into consideration.

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no to 1 and 2, and totally agree with increase of ragna rewards. ragna is only nice if you get killing streaks of 40+ then you get 3k+ reputation and an amount of credits that would justify to waste them in the first place, let alone spending gems on it. however this is nothing new, we all are aware of this and its been mentioned before.


ps: dawnseeker is reading it most of the times

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Originally Posted by Legolas Bow of Athena

1. Vip rewards yield all kinds of benefits. Flip more cards, more chances to feed mount, reset heroic realm, more lab chances, instant lab scores, all those are helpful but nothing compared to the blacksmith and talent queues as equipment and talents play a major roll in this game.

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The VIP benefits are triered. The extra queues are one of the few VIP bennies that are actually useful. Most of them are not cost effective (like flipping extra cards, more lab chances, instant lab, x5 Lab rewards, and Quick Merge among others) and most VIPs that have them do not use them. The ones that are useful are ones that I see people asking for, or for something that would make them worthless (like the proposal to have Sinergy Rune also give the Gold Runes and fragments that you would have gotten if you spent the same amount on coins in the temple).

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Originally Posted by Legolas Bow of Athena

2. Fix baal and cerb rage mode. People are getting the last hit while standing at the entrance etc. Lower the rewards for last hit or change hp of the boss each time or something. It should not take 35 hits in rage mode to finish the battle as some realms do not have a lot of people. It also encourages people to use alts who can just start a new character a couple hours before and get the 10 million coins. Having a shot at getting the last hit on him was actually one of the most enjoyable experiences in the game, people use so many stunners it is very difficult to try to calculate last hit now as well as the damage done varies greatly.

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I agree that people that just sit and so not participate in the attacks should not be eligible for the last hit reward. It should be those that actively participate in both phases of the Banish events. I also believe that the last hit rewards should remain a lottery like it is now.

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Originally Posted by Legolas Bow of Athena

3. Increase the Ragnarok rewards. I can have a winning record and lose credits from the boost. I can also usually gain more rep hitting 1 person in the arena or farming 1 monster for a piece of material. This is one of the most exciting parts of the game and the rewards should give back at least what you put in with a high winning record.

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Completely agree that the rewards for Rag are a joke, but the Rag is also a joke. It should be replaced by some other event that requires active participation and skill.

Dawnseeker is always reading and I know that from some of the recent patches and ideas made on the forums

However, I do feel that he should comment a little bit more, maybe express what he feels about ideas or if or if not they are good ideas and why they are not good ideas ... I certainly do hope this feature come in the next patch :D

Dawn reads forums so do alot of other tynon employees.

Ok most will agree with 3.
Those who understand the issue with 2 will agree a change would be nice.
number 1 - is very interesting.
If I understand lego like I think I do. Hes basically saying something I agree 100% with. There should be other ways other then just VIP rewards to get more blacksmith and talent cues. this would not negate VIP benefits in any way. VIP would still be able to unlock more cues then those who have a lower VIP then them, but there should be a way to open additional cues. I personally think that even a VIP0 should be able to have 4 of each where as a VIP 4 should have 6 or 8 of each, while a VIP 8 should have 8-12 of each

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Originally Posted by mattp169

Dawn reads forums so do alot of other tynon employees.

Ok most will agree with 3.
Those who understand the issue with 2 will agree a change would be nice.
number 1 - is very interesting.
If I understand lego like I think I do. Hes basically saying something I agree 100% with. There should be other ways other then just VIP rewards to get more blacksmith and talent cues. this would not negate VIP benefits in any way. VIP would still be able to unlock more cues then those who have a lower VIP then them, but there should be a way to open additional cues. I personally think that even a VIP0 should be able to have 4 of each where as a VIP 4 should have 6 or 8 of each, while a VIP 8 should have 8-12 of each

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If that was done then the developers would not be able to keep up with content because every one, and specially the VIPs would climb too fast. It would also increase the gap between the coiners and non coiners. If I had 12 queues available the last few months I would have most of my equipment maxed out by now.

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Originally Posted by Andy

If that was done then the developers would not be able to keep up with content because every one, and specially the VIPs would climb too fast. It would also increase the gap between the coiners and non coiners. If I had 12 queues available the last few months I would have most of my equipment maxed out by now.

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Really?? 48 pieces of judgement gear at level 115 - I seriously doubt you would be any where close to that - especially with the massive cool down times after level 90. Which then would need releveled 3 levels after you upgrade to sirius then dragon whatever

I mean level 109 spirits are 8 days and 16 hours even on thorsday thats 25 gems a piece multiplied by 8 spirits so 200 gems to get all your spirits to 109.

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Originally Posted by mattp169

Really?? 48 pieces of judgement gear at level 115 - I seriously doubt you would be any where close to that - especially with the massive cool down times after level 90. Which then would need releveled 3 levels after you upgrade to sirius then dragon whatever

I mean level 109 spirits are 8 days and 16 hours even on thorsday thats 25 gems a piece multiplied by 8 spirits so 200 gems to get all your spirits to 109.

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with the exception of the Mage's spirit and two other pieces all of my gear is at level 70 or better. Yes, I do a lot of resets on Thursdays.

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Originally Posted by mattp169

Dawn reads forums so do alot of other tynon employees.

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I have to keep an eye on you, afterall.

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Originally Posted by davemata

I have to keep an eye on you, afterall.

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OUCH MY EYES ARE GOING BLIND from your name.

@andy level 70 is nothing. toget all your gear form level 70 to 115 for all 8 heroes will cost you over 115k gems on a thorsday and lets not even get into how many coins you will need to do that.

Think about this a level 72 spirit takes 135 ours cool down level 72 helmet/.chest/relic/cloak are 72 hours each and a level 72 ish sword is about 80 hours. Then each level after wards adds about 10% more time to the cooldown. DO the math for 6 pieces of armor for 8 heroes.

I know about spirits cooldowns. I have a 109 Sirius now. I now run 4 queues. With 12 queues the limiting factor will be coins. I did not think of that. If 12 queues became available about the only way I can thing anyone could keep them going with resets is having a lot of alts that they can farm for coins, so something like this would just be another excuse to have alts.

In any case I am opposed to having extra queues. It would alter the pace of the game too much.

Just wait for Santa :)

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Originally Posted by Herby

Just wait for Santa :)

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Lol Santa is the best NPC of Tynon, better than Letizia and Laura combined. I do think that the number of cooldowns should be reduced or more expensive during Santa's visit; I could see some people go crazy on 10 gem cooldowns *cough Blayd cough*

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Originally Posted by jkwongfl_7919855

Lol Santa is the best NPC of Tynon, better than Letizia and Laura combined. I do think that the number of cooldowns should be reduced or more expensive during Santa's visit; I could see some people go crazy on 10 gem cooldowns *cough Blayd cough*

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STOP! don't mention this anymore please.... I was on vacation and completely missed this event. Going to cry if you keep going...

Ok 12 cues might be excessive

But i definitely think A VIP0 at say level 100 has the option to unlock a 3rd cue for gems and anyone else at level 100 should be able to open 1 more cue for gems

We have 48 pieces of gear to upgrade. having a way to get an extra cue or 2 without upgrading to VIP 8 would be nice and even at VIP 8 why not have 1 or 2 extra cues available

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Originally Posted by Herby

Just wait for Santa :)

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That is 8 months away. By then, some of us .. if not most of us may be already at cap on Black Smith the way things are looking.

But I do agree 10 resets a day was nice but seemed excessive for 10 gems per reset. That was after you got the first few for free I believe.

What was the santa event?

For a few days Santa was giving 10 free queue resets a day.

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Originally Posted by Andy

For a few days Santa was giving 10 free queue resets a day.

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Technically 3 free ones and up to 7 additional resets at 10 gems a pop.

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Originally Posted by Legolas Bow of Athena

So here is a list of easily made adjustments to make the game much more enjoyable for everyone and I hope these are taken into consideration.

1. Make blacksmith and talent queues accessible to be unlocked with gems. You should need to spend a certain amount of money and be a certain vip level to unlock more slots, if people want to speed it up and open more they can spend to get the gems to unlock them, for the players that grind out their gems or only spend a little bit this feature shouldn't just be off limits to them.

2. Fix baal and cerb rage mode. People are getting the last hit while standing at the entrance etc. Lower the rewards for last hit or change hp of the boss each time or something. It should not take 35 hits in rage mode to finish the battle as some realms do not have a lot of people. It also encourages people to use alts who can just start a new character a couple hours before and get the 10 million coins. Having a shot at getting the last hit on him was actually one of the most enjoyable experiences in the game, people use so many stunners it is very difficult to try to calculate last hit now as well as the damage done varies greatly.

3. Increase the Ragnarok rewards. I can have a winning record and lose credits from the boost. I can also usually gain more rep hitting 1 person in the arena or farming 1 monster for a piece of material. This is one of the most exciting parts of the game and the rewards should give back at least what you put in with a high winning record.

Other than that all the other improvements I have seen have been great. Please take these into consideration.

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1. This is not going to happen. Sorry.
2. There is no reward for last hit. One player who participated in the first stage of the fight will randomly receive the kill reward at the end of the fight.
3. I'll pass this feedback on, thanks.

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Originally Posted by Dawnseeker

2. There is no reward for last hit. One player who participated in the first stage of the fight will randomly receive the kill reward at the end of the fight.

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Dawn, I think Legolas' main concern here is that for realms that have very few active players, the final fight portion can take many rounds to complete, making it very difficult to upgrade banish. This also encourages them to create alts to lower the final fight length.

Why not just exclude final fight for the upgrade? ie. you have to get to the START of final fight mode within 11 minutes (10:13am and 3:13pm) to get an upgrade. As opposed to finishing final fight by 10:15/3:15.

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Originally Posted by Cuddles_1461020

on #1 ... Disagree. Tynon must reward VIPs with something special.

#2 ... Disagree. If final blow were based on damage or # of hits, I'd win it 85%+ of the time with my 8-10minute marathon rounds, and that would get boring fast. It must stay random regardless of damage. I do agree though that ~35 player-attacks is too much.

#3 ... Agree. Many threads have been created petitioning to update Ragnarok to the new Reputation system

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Same. I only agree with the third suggestion.

Just curious.. what server are you on Cuddles and what size baal/cerb are you fighting?

I think final fight mode should be removed, and the time limit for advancing to next level bosses be changed from 15 down to 12 min. Then, a random player gets 10M coins for, "taking cerb's head as a trophy," or "finds baal's still beating heart on the ground," and, "pawns it for 10,000k coins!"

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Originally Posted by Yelsha

Just curious.. what server are you on Cuddles and what size baal/cerb are you fighting?

I think final fight mode should be removed, and the time limit for advancing to next level bosses be changed from 15 down to 12 min. Then, a random player gets 10M coins for, "taking cerb's head as a trophy," or "finds baal's still beating heart on the ground," and, "pawns it for 10,000k coins!"

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By having the rage phase as a separate phase it allows some players to step out after the Boss is killed so that they are not legible for the lottery. I do this when I am not needed to complete the rage phase in time so that other members of my Guild have a better chance of getting the 10 mil coins.

I agree with Andy. It certainly is an option (Yelsha), but I like to step out of the 10m lottery when I get far more than 10mil from the boss (via damage) :)

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Originally Posted by Andy

By having the rage phase as a separate phase it allows some players to step out after the Boss is killed so that they are not legible for the lottery. I do this when I am not needed to complete the rage phase in time so that other members of my Guild have a better chance of getting the 10 mil coins.

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I agree with Andy. It certainly is an option (Yelsha), but I like to step out of the 10m lottery when I get far more than 10mil from the boss (via damage)

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But that doesn't work. I used to do that and still got last hit :(

As dawn explained, the person winning the lottery is randomly selected before rage phase even begins.

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Originally Posted by Yelsha

But that doesn't work. I used to do that and still got last hit :(

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Perhaps your server is programmed differently than ours? We've NEVER had that [glitch].

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Originally Posted by Cuddles_1461020

Perhaps your server is programmed differently than ours? We've NEVER had that [glitch].

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Dawn would you be able to offer an explanation?

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Originally Posted by Rocco

Dawn, I think Legolas' main concern here is that for realms that have very few active players, the final fight portion can take many rounds to complete, making it very difficult to upgrade banish. This also encourages them to create alts to lower the final fight length.

Why not just exclude final fight for the upgrade? ie. you have to get to the START of final fight mode within 11 minutes (10:13am and 3:13pm) to get an upgrade. As opposed to finishing final fight by 10:15/3:15.

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A better suggestion from another thread was to have the boss health be randomly determined at the start of final fight at < 10% and still have his health obscured. That way it won't matter how many players are participating.

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Originally Posted by Dawnseeker

A better suggestion from another thread was to have the boss health be randomly determined at the start of final fight at < 10% and still have his health obscured. That way it won't matter how many players are participating.

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That would be a neat feature, but it still makes the final blow damage-based, unless it instead selects a random participant from the last 10% of the boss' HP.

In other words, let's say at last 10% of boss HP...
-- uber player does 5%
-- noob does 0.34
-- noob does 0.28
-- noob does 0.25
-- noob does 0.10
-- noob does 0.05
etc
Selecting one from the above persons at random. Otherwise uber player gets half to over half of the final blow and noobs get VERY discouraged.

i was hoping there will be the easter bunny (maybe dressed up as energizer bunny lol) and resetting our queues like santa... but no, just a dream...

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Originally Posted by Dawnseeker

A better suggestion from another thread was to have the boss health be randomly determined at the start of final fight at < 10% and still have his health obscured. That way it won't matter how many players are participating.

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Originally Posted by Cuddles_1461020

That would be a neat feature, but it still makes the final blow damage-based, unless it instead selects a random participant from the last 10% of the boss' HP.

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no it wouldnt, the way dawn is suggesting is that you can not see how much HP is left, so anyone going in can have the last hit, unless someone hits strong enough to clear it all in the first round

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Originally Posted by Dawnseeker

A better suggestion from another thread was to have the boss health be randomly determined at the start of final fight at < 10% and still have his health obscured. That way it won't matter how many players are participating.

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Right. I saw that after I posted my message on this thread. You had already reply to that particular issue.

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Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829

unless someone hits strong enough to clear it all in the first round

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Duh, that's my point. I do 10% rounds quite often. Average 5%.

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Originally Posted by Cuddles_1461020

Duh, that's my point. I do 10% rounds quite often. Average 5%.

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doing 2-5% rounds, not quite there yet, but this is not regarding the 1.25B banishes with the near endgame players, only lower players would complain about being able to kill banish too fast and then not being able to advance to the next stage

ps: my minimum i get is 40m+ per banish and hope everytime that someone else gets the 10m, someone who needs it. it would be nice that whoever done the most damage would be exempted from the 10m reward and lv5 chips or higher would drop for the 1.25B banish winners

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Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829

it would be nice that whoever done the most damage would be exempted from the 10m reward and lv5 chips or higher would drop for the 1.25B banish winners

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I agree :)