At Wit's End about Cheating

I Host a guild and face a quandry. The two largest players on my server decided to cheat. They sink members of my guild,then transfer the maps to one of their multiple alt accounts so they can repeat the process.

I took several steps to deal with this abuse:
1) Sent mail to my guild listing terms of use.
2) Purged my guild of known or suspected alts, though one player is babysitting another player's account at the moment. This removed several spies...
3) Called the cheating players out in world chat, posting the terms of use and how they violated them.
4) Employed diplomacy with other guilds for damage control.
5) Changed sailing tactics.
6) Reported the abuse to Tynon. This includes my Vice-Host taking screen grabs and submitting evidence of repeated and FLAGRANT cheating.
7) Helped my guild grow in size to handle all other members of the rival guild EXCEPT the two cheaters.

Are their other options that I have missed?

Revenge when they power down.

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Originally Posted by maddsosad_8810203

Revenge when they power down.

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That is part of the sailing tactics. We try to revenge, but opps are very quick at powering back up. Combined with a Tynon lag, we rarely get through. Good idea though.

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Originally Posted by rafmeister_5440998

I Host a guild and face a quandry. The two largest players on my server decided to cheat. They sink members of my guild,then transfer the maps to one of their multiple alt accounts so they can repeat the process.

I took several steps to deal with this abuse:
1) Sent mail to my guild listing terms of use.
2) Purged my guild of known or suspected alts, though one player is babysitting another player's account at the moment. This removed several spies...
3) Called the cheating players out in world chat, posting the terms of use and how they violated them.
4) Employed diplomacy with other guilds for damage control.
5) Changed sailing tactics.
6) Reported the abuse to Tynon. This includes my Vice-Host taking screen grabs and submitting evidence of repeated and FLAGRANT cheating.
7) Helped my guild grow in size to handle all other members of the rival guild EXCEPT the two cheaters.

Are their other options that I have missed?

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sorry but hate to waste your dreams

its pointless to report.. IMO

i tried same send screen shots every day for weeks.. and of no use

if its a heavy coiner(s) keep dreaming then it will never happen.. IMO (again)

and don't people go mention that 1 high vip player that was removed... 8 months ago..

and best to revenge during baal cerb.. bigger chance to win.

or when they are powered down in the sails.

it's the massive number of alts that really bothers me. Have one? Cool. Sometimes it's nice to have an alt to share some maps with your buddies with. Have an entire stable to pull from? Gets a little old.

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Originally Posted by rafmeister_5440998

I Host a guild and face a quandry. The two largest players on my server decided to cheat. They sink members of my guild,then transfer the maps to one of their multiple alt accounts so they can repeat the process.

I took several steps to deal with this abuse:
1) Sent mail to my guild listing terms of use.
2) Purged my guild of known or suspected alts, though one player is babysitting another player's account at the moment. This removed several spies...
3) Called the cheating players out in world chat, posting the terms of use and how they violated them.
4) Employed diplomacy with other guilds for damage control.
5) Changed sailing tactics.
6) Reported the abuse to Tynon. This includes my Vice-Host taking screen grabs and submitting evidence of repeated and FLAGRANT cheating.
7) Helped my guild grow in size to handle all other members of the rival guild EXCEPT the two cheaters.

Are their other options that I have missed?

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Don't rob the alts maps. Eventually they'll run out of space to move their maps to.

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Originally Posted by Herby

Don't rob the alts maps. Eventually they'll run out of space to move their maps to.

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depends how much there are and they are used for sails ofc

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Originally Posted by Herby

Don't rob the alts maps. Eventually they'll run out of space to move their maps to.

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The maps go to the alts in the alt guild. Then the alt guild gets robbed by the guild members of the original players. The alt guild serves two purposes: 1) map transfers, and 2) provides them with a guild war. Everyone else left their realm, leaving them only with two alt guilds to fight.

EDIT: We never hit their alts unless the alts start to sail.

Keep this thread going until Dawn sees it and actually makes a comment about helping.

Alts are a violation of the game rules, correct?

yeah but tynon won't allow talking about it on forum :(

i should know

which is weird. What we're discussing is how to get people to stop doing it. So many alts on our server!

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Originally Posted by jorgumander_7292057

which is weird. What we're discussing is how to get people to stop doing it. So many alts on our server!

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direct from forum rules hate it to but this will be closed soon

Exactly the same issue on my server with three players with a crazy amount of alts. They seem to enjoy sinking certain players over and over again. They have been reported numerous times to no avail.
One of them even commented in world chat that nothing will happen to them while they are paying customers.

People post in threads openly about having alts and so many others have said they have reported this behaviour and nothing has happened so I guess he is right, nothing will ever be done while money is trickling in.

Sorry I have no suggestion for you, I will follow this thread with interest in the hope a proper answer, hopefully via the devs.

Ok guys here's the thing. If you suspect someone is using alts to gain an advantage in some way report it to Customer Support and not on the forum.

We can go round in circles how best to defeat alts and I even allowed and commented on a similar thread, but the truth of the matter is there are some measures to prevent too much gain but Tynon has some way to go to please everyone. However, players will always try and bend the rules to benefit themselves at the expense of others.

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Originally Posted by maddsosad_8810203

Revenge when they power down.

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This leaves you open to being revenged back on Monday at the end of the day when you are loaded up with Credits for Tavern Tuesday. You may get a map but it really does not do you any good because thy will sink you again when you sail with it. Hitting the Alt when it is trying to pass the map back is also not effective for getting the map back because you can very easily hit the player that is taking it back because of Lag and more than likely they will take it while you are trying to get out of the battle so you can unboard, but at least you get a revenge that you can use during Guild Wars or some other critical time like that. In enough people in your Guild get revenges, you can coordinate them so they happen right after each, but about 30 seconds appart, other and it will keep them having to clear the battle scene one after the other and they will loose a lot of time.