Champion Warfare new idea !!!

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05-09-2014, 09:15 PM
maddsosad_8810203

Champion Warfare new idea !!!

The Champion Warfare comprise qualifying rounds, group stage I, group stage II, and five knockout rounds.
Day 1 - Qualifying:
- Keep the same now, not change (8 matches x 3 battles x 5 minutes = 120 minutes)
Day 2 - Qualifying:
- Keep the same now, not change (6 matches x 3 battles x 5 minutes = 90 minutes)
Day 3 - Group stage I:
- 512 players are split into 128 groups of 4.
- Player against each of their pool, winner will get 1 point. Highest point advance to next round.
- 3 matches x 3 battles x 5 minutes = 45 minutes.
Group stage II:
- 128 players are split into 32 groups of 4.
- Player against each of their pool, winner will get 1 point. Highest point advance to next round.
- 3 matches x 3 battles x 5 minutes = 45 minutes.
Day 4 - Knockout Stage I:
- Same Knockout stage V now: Knockout round 1, 2, 3: 32 players-> 16 players ->8 players-> 4 players.
Day 5: Knockout Stage II:
- Same knockout stage VI now: Knockout round 4, 5: 4 players -> 2 players -> 1 winner.

My idea would hopefully bring more fairness to the players, the high power player meet other high power so early as now.
05-09-2014, 09:17 PM
smokingfox

tynon just needs to fix the way player are matched for battle and not go from a 25m opponent to a 225m..
05-09-2014, 09:57 PM
ChickenWing

This is an excellent idea.
05-09-2014, 10:56 PM
riceman4694_8256693

I wish you could see the full bracket to see who you might be matched up with later on.
05-09-2014, 11:00 PM
Riot

I'd like to see brackets so you don't wind up having to compete with someone 10x your power.

5 brackets

low - 1mil - 25mil
med - 26mil - 75mil
high - 76mil - 150mil
super - 151mil - 300mil
ultra - 301mil+

Or something similar to this. Each brackets with it's own set of prizes.
05-09-2014, 11:11 PM
MisChief

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Originally Posted by Riot

I'd like to see brackets so you don't wind up having to compete with someone 10x your power.

5 brackets

low - 1mil - 25mil
med - 26mil - 75mil
high - 76mil - 150mil
super - 151mil - 300mil
ultra - 301mil+

Or something similar to this. Each brackets with it's own set of prizes.

I like this, as long as the prizes are such that one would want to keep growing, and not stop to monopolize that group.
05-09-2014, 11:48 PM
Riot

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisChief

I like this, as long as the prizes are such that one would want to keep growing, and not stop to monopolize that group.

The idea is that higher brackets would give higher degree of reward. Larger chips, more medals, and better heros. So there is an incentive for people to keep growing to higher bracket.

I am sure the details can be worked out by Tynon.
05-10-2014, 09:59 PM
Predakon

Great Idea..make it more like weight classes in boxing..match players by pwr then as they get more powerful they automatically move up 2 nxt lvl...this would give all players a resonable chance as opposed to being just fodder 4 all of the Uber Coin players.
05-11-2014, 11:03 AM
kaisim_2492829

what is wrong with you people? this is a KNOCK-OUT-TOURNAMENT. think about the name...
the entire point of that is a lucky player can advance close to the finals and get a chance at the title with a lucky draw. have you ever been in a knockout tournament in your life, for anything? take chessplayers for example: they keep score of their records wins, losses for hundrets of years and even have patented their own ranking system and managed to establish it world wide across the globe. and yet their is average joe players of 1200, newbies of 800 and bellow entering tournaments together with players and rankings of above 2200 (thats a LOT!). the weaker get kicked out, some grandmasters play other masters early and in the end everyone watches the best of the best kick the others butt and everyone enjoyed it and no one went to the judge and complained it was unfair and he requires 2 kings and 3 queens to make it fair.
all these suggestions are nice (kudos to legion, i like it) but it goes against the spirit of what a knockout tournament is about. it should be basic as in uncomplicated with simple rules and not last too long. if you want brackets then open the CW-leagues.
05-11-2014, 05:02 PM
ChickenWing

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Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829

what is wrong with you people? this is a KNOCK-OUT-TOURNAMENT. think about the name...
the entire point of that is a lucky player can advance close to the finals and get a chance at the title with a lucky draw. have you ever been in a knockout tournament in your life, for anything? take chessplayers for example: they keep score of their records wins, losses for hundrets of years and even have patented their own ranking system and managed to establish it world wide across the globe. and yet their is average joe players of 1200, newbies of 800 and bellow entering tournaments together with players and rankings of above 2200 (thats a LOT!). the weaker get kicked out, some grandmasters play other masters early and in the end everyone watches the best of the best kick the others butt and everyone enjoyed it and no one went to the judge and complained it was unfair and he requires 2 kings and 3 queens to make it fair.
all these suggestions are nice (kudos to legion, i like it) but it goes against the spirit of what a knockout tournament is about. it should be basic as in uncomplicated with simple rules and not last too long. if you want brackets then open the CW-leagues.

There is a difference however. Chess players all have the same pieces to play with. Would you imagine putting a player with all pawns against another with all queens?
05-11-2014, 06:01 PM
Andy

In normal tournament seeding the first ranked player will face the lowest rank player, 2nd rank the next to the lowest, etc. The players are distributed on the brackets so that the 1 and 2nd seed will not face each other until the finals. The rest of the players are placed on the brackets in similar fashion. This way the higher ranked players will not be eliminated (unless there is an upset) in the early rounds by facing another high ranked player.

This is a seeding chart for a tournament of 128 players. It is too small for our purposes, but it illustrates the concept pf seeding. http://www.printyourbrackets.com/pdf...teamseeded.pdf
05-11-2014, 06:05 PM
jkwongfl_7919855

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Originally Posted by ChickenWing

There is a difference however. Chess players all have the same pieces to play with. Would you imagine putting a player with all pawns against another with all queens?

Someone just got pwned.

In other news, i think some sort of division-system would be nice but the current system works just fine. However. if there are brackets based on power, higher powered plowers would just power down during signups and enter the lower brackets, then power up to regular form and demolish. That wouldnt be happy.
05-11-2014, 08:22 PM
Rocco

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Originally Posted by jkwongfl_7919855

higher powered plowers would just power down during signups and enter the lower brackets, then power up to regular form and demolish. That wouldnt be happy.

The game already tracks your highest recorded power. Simply use that rather than your current power. Not saying there are no challenges or issues with creating brackets, but people can't just simply power down like in HP.
05-11-2014, 08:27 PM
kaisim_2492829

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChickenWing

There is a difference however. Chess players all have the same pieces to play with. Would you imagine putting a player with all pawns against another with all queens?

same pieces = playing the same game. you forgetting about brainpower, strategy, etc
05-11-2014, 09:26 PM
g346007_1906957

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy

In normal tournament seeding the first ranked player will face the lowest rank player, 2nd rank the next to the lowest, etc. The players are distributed on the brackets so that the 1 and 2nd seed will not face each other until the finals. The rest of the players are placed on the brackets in similar fashion. This way the higher ranked players will not be eliminated (unless there is an upset) in the early rounds by facing another high ranked player.

This is a seeding chart for a tournament of 128 players. It is too small for our purposes, but it illustrates the concept pf seeding. http://www.printyourbrackets.com/pdf...teamseeded.pdf

Chess player here (around 2280 and apparently that's a lot). Normally (in a swiss) the top ranked plays the top ranked in the second half (so someone around the middle). Second ranked plays the second in the second half...etc... and then the top ranked in the first half plays the lowest rank.

The new pairings are based off of both score, ratings, and colour (who went first)... and need to be generated after each round, rather than preset beforehand.

I never played in a knockout tourney in chess, so not sure what that's about. There are sometimes different sections in tournaments... or sometimes different sections just for the prizes (i.e. if you are 2000, you can play 2400 people but people U2000 can win the U2000 prize).
05-11-2014, 10:19 PM
kaisim_2492829

Quote:

Originally Posted by g346007_1906957

Chess player here (around 2280 and apparently that's a lot). Normally (in a swiss) the top ranked plays the top ranked in the second half (so someone around the middle). Second ranked plays the second in the second half...etc... and then the top ranked in the first half plays the lowest rank.

The new pairings are based off of both score, ratings, and colour (who went first)... and need to be generated after each round, rather than preset beforehand.

I never played in a knockout tourney in chess, so not sure what that's about. There are sometimes different sections in tournaments... or sometimes different sections just for the prizes (i.e. if you are 2000, you can play 2400 people but people U2000 can win the U2000 prize).

correct but thats not a knock out tournament.
chess was meant as an example and not to take it literally. its to explain those guys what a knockout tournament is about. what they are trying to implement is a different style and structure of a tournament, more like something where everyone is in their leagues and at the end you can have the winners of the divisions play against each other for a grand prize or whatever.

ps: gratz on your FIDE rating and FYI the top 100 players have a 2600-2700 rating and you should sign up at a club first and then go to tourneys or something
05-11-2014, 10:31 PM
g346007_1906957

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Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829

correct but thats not a knock out tournament.
chess was meant as an example and not to take it literally. its to explain those guys what a knockout tournament is about. what they are trying to implement is a different style and structure of a tournament, more like something where everyone is in their leagues and at the end you can have the winners of the divisions play against each other for a grand prize or whatever.

ps: gratz on your FIDE rating and FYI the top 100 players have a 2600-2700 rating and you should sign up at a club first and then go to tourneys or something

I never played in a knockout. Personally I don't mind the current CFW system, but changing it could be interesting as well. It would certainly get us a lot more close matches, rather than the 1 or 2 we get currently. The betting part is boring for me, so changing the structure might be a good thing for me.

ps: Sorry, it wasn't my FIDE. My FIDE is something like 2150 because I don't play in a lot of international tournaments. 2280 is my CFC (Canadian rating).