King Horemheb

Why make this char in the first place is noone ever uses it.. I mean NOONE. I want to use him because his base stats are 2222 Phy att and 1223 Critical Attack (but doesnt that base Crit double if he has over 100 Morale)??? and having Herj to keep him up would make him a powerful Hitter. Or do I just go with the flow and use Blood or Pompey??? And 1 last question, what good is 30% magresistance if most PVP never uses mage attack on you??? unless you take Shayd into concideration??

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Originally Posted by brianpkelley68_351461

Why make this char in the first place is noone ever uses it.. I mean NOONE.

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you dont watch much CW

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Originally Posted by brianpkelley68_351461

I want to use him because his base stats are 2222 Phy att and 1223 Critical Attack (but doesnt that base Crit double if he has over 100 Morale)???

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no

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Originally Posted by brianpkelley68_351461

and having Herj to keep him up would make him a powerful Hitter.

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he retains morale

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Originally Posted by brianpkelley68_351461

Or do I just go with the flow and use Blood or Pompey???

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why not all 3?

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Originally Posted by brianpkelley68_351461

And 1 last question, what good is 30% magresistance if most PVP never uses mage attack on you??? unless you take Shayd into concideration??

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because you have only shayd at this point doesnt mean that she is the only mage in game

what a great reply :)

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Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829

you dont watch much CW


no


he retains morale


why not all 3?


because you have only shayd at this point doesnt mean that she is the only mage in game

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Dang it I ask a question or 2 and its like your going off on me.. I just dont want to dump alot of stars on him if he's useless. so excuse me for asking a question about a hero I know little about. And for your information I get to the 2nd round in CW's and I have yet to see anyone use him not even the top players use him, so give me that, "do you ever watch Cw's crap". Apparently you dont watch CW's like I do. Or maybe your playing a different game because like I said before noone uses him. And that goes for Dawnseeker saying he's only good for certain PVE situations, not PVP.

I tested him before and don't think he retains morale... will need to double check sometime.

Personally he is always worse than lance for me. Maybe I am using him wrong.

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Originally Posted by g346007_1906957

I tested him before and don't think he retains morale... will need to double check sometime.

Personally he is always worse than lance for me. Maybe I am using him wrong.

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Thank you for your constructive comment. Unlike others that just basically tear your post apart. And I too think he doesnt hold his morale unlike Blood. But I will test him out now since I got him.

Yep King H definitely does NOT retain morale, which makes him a weak Lance (or super-buff Alexa) with 30% mage resist.

And the mage resist is really only useful against Aphro, in which case he will still take a ton of damage and will likely die in the next Adam hit anyways.

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Originally Posted by Yelsha

Yep King H definitely does NOT retain morale, which makes him a weak Lance (or super-buff Alexa) with 30% mage resist.

And the mage resist is really only useful against Aphro, in which case he will still take a ton of damage and will likely die in the next Adam hit anyways.

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So basically Kasem was just putting stuff out he had no idea what he was talking about... Figures.. and smoking fox being a lemming... was just adding on to what Kasem knew nothing about.

Still going to try him without putting any stars on him to see what he can do.. but he does hit twice and Im wondering if he has 100 morale that he hits twice with the possibly of 2 crits

i apologize, for some reason i read king theseus instead of king horrible.
i am not a fan of king horrible and have named him in the past the worst gold hero of all times or something like that. his damage is lower than most gold heroes. also his hits can be dodged individually or both at once, meaning if you dodge the first he doesnt get the second skill hit off and if he does land the first you can still dodge the second. IF he would retain morale or have a doubled crit rate he would be a much better hero, but as is he is insignificant. dont bother even unsealing his rune slots.
however if you want to make him work then he does an ok work against magic bosses that usually not doge and if you add a messiness he can shine with his 40% magic resistance.
that all being said i want to point out that lance, pomp, blood are far more superior "single target" hitters than king horrible

dear Haterz_8737311:
i know a lot more about in-game mechanics than you will ever know, we all are human and are entitled to making mistakes. you on the other hand will be someone to watch once you hit puberty.



ps: sorry for the late response but i don't look onto this forum part a lot and usually hang out in the general section

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Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829

i apologize, for some reason i read king theseus instead of king horrible.
i am not a fan of king horrible and have named him in the past the worst gold hero of all times or something like that. his damage is lower than most gold heroes. also his hits can be dodged individually or both at once, meaning if you dodge the first he doesnt get the second skill hit off and if he does land the first you can still dodge the second. IF he would retain morale or have a doubled crit rate he would be a much better hero, but as is he is insignificant. dont bother even unsealing his rune slots.
however if you want to make him work then he does an ok work against magic bosses that usually not doge and if you add a messiness he can shine with his 40% magic resistance.
that all being said i want to point out that lance, pomp, blood are far more superior "single target" hitters than king horrible

dear Haterz_8737311:
i know a lot more about in-game mechanics than you will ever know, we all are human and are entitled to making mistakes. you on the other hand will be someone to watch once you hit puberty.



ps: sorry for the late response but i don't look onto this forum part a lot and usually hang out in the general section

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When you type a comeback like that... It shows everyone who the toddler is in this room. Proud of you for admitting your mistake, but to put someone down AGAIN makes you seem pathetic.

I don't think King Horemheb has been given a fair shot. I personally did not build him up to 18 stars and saint him to Dominion 5.

I do feel that if someone would do that, it may surprise people, how much damage and deadly King H can be. Hitting twice (hard) to a single target can usually take them out (esp if one of those hits crit, or maybe both).

But he will require Prophet o Herja to skill each round.

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Originally Posted by Riot

I don't think King Horemheb has been given a fair shot. I personally did not build him up to 18 stars and saint him to Dominion 5.

I do feel that if someone would do that, it may surprise people, how much damage and deadly King H can be. Hitting twice (hard) to a single target can usually take them out (esp if one of those hits crit, or maybe both).

But he will require Prophet o Herja to skill each round.

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The problem is that those heroes are easily countered with a tank like Saffron or Ahmose. They hit the frontline, where the "undesirable heroes" are. Moreover, AoE attacks are effective when combined with other AoE or multiple targets attacks. If you go with heroes like King H, maybe dropping all AoE heroes would be a good idea. I would love to see a Lance, Pompei, Blood, King H, Main, Maria form at task.

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Originally Posted by Riot

I don't think King Horemheb has been given a fair shot. I personally did not build him up to 18 stars and saint him to Dominion 5.

I do feel that if someone would do that, it may surprise people, how much damage and deadly King H can be. Hitting twice (hard) to a single target can usually take them out (esp if one of those hits crit, or maybe both).

But he will require Prophet o Herja to skill each round.

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I don't have the resources to do that. All I know is... however I tested it, he hits less than lance even with better gear. Have you tried lance and compared?

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Originally Posted by g346007_1906957

I don't have the resources to do that. All I know is... however I tested it, he hits less than lance even with better gear. Have you tried lance and compared?

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To be honest, I never really tried King H. I did notice that he doesn't hit as hard as other single hitter heroes, but he can complement them just as Rhize, G. Alci, and King Theseus complement Adam really well.

AoE hitters don't do as much damage as single hitters, and if you want to kill a target, you need to put several AoE hitters together. There is no point in dealing AoE damage if a Maria can heal everything after the round.

Single hitters could probably work well together, even if one of them is weaker than the others.

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Originally Posted by Riot

I don't think King Horemheb has been given a fair shot. I personally did not build him up to 18 stars and saint him to Dominion 5.

I do feel that if someone would do that, it may surprise people, how much damage and deadly King H can be. Hitting twice (hard) to a single target can usually take them out (esp if one of those hits crit, or maybe both).

But he will require Prophet o Herja to skill each round.

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actually you are wrong in this case and i dare you to try. the damage from king horribles skill hits combined are about the same as a skill hit from bloodstorm. lets stick with the comparison and look at the basic stats:
bloodstorm:
90 command
90 str
p.attk: 3225
s.attk: 1935

king horrible:
80 command
82 str
p.attk: 2222
s.attk: 1223

i like to emphasize the in the previous post said:
IF he would retain morale or have a doubled crit rate he would be a much better hero and if he stays in the current state you have in lance, blood and pompei far better and more superior heroes to choose from.

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Originally Posted by Haterz_8737311

When you type a comeback like that... It shows everyone who the toddler is in this room. Proud of you for admitting your mistake, but to put someone down AGAIN makes you seem pathetic.

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i never "put down" anyone in the first place, i responded to your demeaning/condescending response in the only way possible. the fact that i was giving my honest opinion to another player and that your name starts with "hater" and you show up with 1 post at the time shows your true colors. now please stop interrupting when players are discussing a hero, stay on topic and stop the drama.

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Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829

actually you are wrong in this case and i dare you to try. the damage from king horribles skill hits combined are about the same as a skill hit from bloodstorm.

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Bloodstorm isn't strong, unless... His damage goes up quite a bit when his HP goes down. He can pack quite a punch, unlike King H. I've seen him one shot a lot of heroes in rag when he had almost no HP left.

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Originally Posted by ChickenWing

Bloodstorm isn't strong, unless... His damage goes up quite a bit when his HP goes down. He can pack quite a punch, unlike King H. I've seen him one shot a lot of heroes in rag when he had almost no HP left.

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The key to BloodStorm is giving him plenty of HP so he can live at lower hp ranges for a round or two. Which is another reason why dodge is so important for blood.

Blood can be deadly if used properly, and even at full or near full HP, his rallying strike hits pretty hard if you have several offensive saints in place such as hit, break, and crit.

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Originally Posted by Riot

The key to BloodStorm is giving him plenty of HP so he can live at lower hp ranges for a round or two. Which is another reason why dodge is so important for blood.

Blood can be deadly if used properly, and even at full or near full HP, his rallying strike hits pretty hard if you have several offensive saints in place such as hit, break, and crit.

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Hit and break does not affect his damage lol... Hit makes him less likely to be dodged and break does NOTHIING unless his morale gets drained, in which case it avoids him being blocked.

i used to like blood a lot more back in the days when his damage was increasing as his morale was going up, but i still dont think that king horrible gets even close unless he lands a double crit on a skill

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Originally Posted by Yelsha

Hit and break does not affect his damage lol... Hit makes him less likely to be dodged and break does NOTHIING unless his morale gets drained, in which case it avoids him being blocked.

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on another thought, do you have data and screens from previous test runs to back this up and regarding the other skills as well? i would love to take a look at it (please dont start it for me if you dont have it).
especially the part about where you increase his hitrating and it makes him less likely to be dodged, but i am also very interested in the in-game mechanics about break and how it effects skills differently

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Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829

on another thought, do you have data and screens from previous test runs to back this up and regarding the other skills as well? i would love to take a look at it (please dont start it for me if you dont have it).
especially the part about where you increase his hitrating and it makes him less likely to be dodged, but i am also very interested in the in-game mechanics about break and how it effects skills differently

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Sorry, no data for you. But the only skills where I noticed break having an effect is on Thousand Strikes, Horns of Hell, and Flamewall. You can test it yourself, just make sure your break rating is higher than the opponents block rating. If their block is sufficiently high, then break will not increase your damage on those skills either. This is why mages take much more damage from Thousand Strikes in comparison to other skills, because they do not benefit from block rating.

A corollary is that block reduces damage from Thousand Strikes, Horns of Hell, and Flamewall. The exact mechanics and ratios and numbers involved, I have no idea. But you can run some simple tests to confirm the general observations.

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Originally Posted by Yelsha

Sorry, no data for you. But the only skills where I noticed break having an effect is on Thousand Strikes, Horns of Hell, and Flamewall. You can test it yourself, just make sure your break rating is higher than the opponents block rating. If their block is sufficiently high, then break will not increase your damage on those skills either. This is why mages take much more damage from Thousand Strikes in comparison to other skills, because they do not benefit from block rating.

A corollary is that block reduces damage from Thousand Strikes, Horns of Hell, and Flamewall. The exact mechanics and ratios and numbers involved, I have no idea. But you can run some simple tests to confirm the general observations.

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but thats wrong. mages do block, they just cant counterattack. also the block rating determines the overall damage reduction.

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Originally Posted by Yelsha

(in direct response to bloodstorm)[...] Hit makes him less likely to be dodged and break does NOTHIING unless his morale gets drained, in which case it avoids him being blocked.

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would you mind explaining me please how increasing bloods hitrating it would increase his dodge rate? also, i hope you are aware that blood got a masters degree in dodging and if he doesnt dodge he can block and counter attack with and without morale

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Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829

but thats wrong. mages do block, they just cant counterattack. also the block rating determines the overall damage reduction.



would you mind explaining me please how increasing bloods hitrating it would increase his dodge rate? also, i hope you are aware that blood got a masters degree in dodging and if he doesnt dodge he can block and counter attack with and without morale

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1) Have you ever seen one of your mages block? Try putting on a high level resistance on your mage and then fight someone with Adam/Mulan. Notice no damage change. Repeat with a physical character and you will see a damage change.

2) Hit Rating means Blood is less likely to be dodged by an enemy. This has nothing to do with Blood dodging. Blood dodges a lot because he has +40 dodge bonus, the highest stat bonus in the game (tied with King T's +40 crit). Break means Blood is less likely to be blocked. It has nothing to do with Blood himself doing an counterattack. Break would only benefit Blood in the situation in which Blood has been morale drained and needs to do regular attacks to build morale back up.

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Originally Posted by Yelsha

2) Hit Rating means Blood is less likely to be dodged by an enemy. This has nothing to do with Blood dodging. Blood dodges a lot because he has +40 dodge bonus, the highest stat bonus in the game (tied with King T's +40 crit). Break means Blood is less likely to be blocked. It has nothing to do with Blood himself doing an counterattack. Break would only benefit Blood in the situation in which Blood has been morale drained and needs to do regular attacks to build morale back up.

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ty for rephrasing this because your original post was easy to misread and it sounded like you suggested to improve bloods dodging by increasing his hitrating.

ps: and yes you are right he is great at dodging, but again he can not only block but also counter attack with morale. the counter attack however itself is a normal hit and not a skill attack

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Originally Posted by Yelsha

1) Have you ever seen one of your mages block? Try putting on a high level resistance on your mage and then fight someone with Adam/Mulan. Notice no damage change. Repeat with a physical character and you will see a damage change.

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find your answer here, i posted this into the more appropriate section

yelsha... nothing..? thought we had some sort of exchange going here :(
i guess its just hard to admitt that others are sometimes right too :rolleyes: