Gold Calvin

I wanted to share an idea I had regarding implementing a new hero. It would be a hero that would be particularly useful against a formation with morale retention heroes in it, such as Blood, Pompei, Khan, King Theseus, and Scipio. Someone could run a formation without Herja or Ezekiel, and I predict that more heroes with morale retention will be added in the future. Why not make a hero useful against them? Flavius is useless against them. Calvin is weak.

So here are a couple of suggestions. Feel free to say which you like, which you hate, and why!

Golden Calvin: Same skill as Calvin, but would deal more damage and have better innate bonuses, such as +20 hit rating and +20 critical hit, or 25% physical and skill defence.

Calvinistic Rhize: Similar to Calvin in damage output (i.e. weak), but sends his Will Breaker skill in a Piercing Thrust fashion.

Calvinistic Prophet Petosiris: Similar to Calvin in damage output (i.e. weak), but sends his Will Breaker skill in a Smashing Cleave fashion.

Calvinistic Dawnbringer: Similar to Calvin in damage output (i.e. weak), but sends his Will Breaker skill in a Sweeping Slash fashion.


I understand that these heroes can be rather overpowered, but this is why I suggest that they be weak damage dealers, (except for the golden calvin, which is still a single hitter). I think this would add a bigger strategic dimension to battles, and it seems to be a natural strategic response to the morale retention heroes that are being added.

I just thought of another:

Calvinistic Queen Bryn: A mage that, instead of landing random stuns, lands random morale drains.

I like the idea overall of having more will breakers, but we shouldn't have all of them because OP team of 6 calvins could exist. A will breaker/some kind of morale reducing skill scroll would be cool too.

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Originally Posted by jkwongfl_7919855

I like the idea overall of having more will breakers, but we shouldn't have all of them because OP team of 6 calvins could exist. A will breaker/some kind of morale reducing skill scroll would be cool too.

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People could have a team of will breakers, but they would be dealing very little damage (less than the other heroes' physical damage. Think of Calvin's current damage. It's rather weak. I wouldn't have a team of such damage dealers.)

But yes, I agree, there is no need to have all of them. Even two of them with Maria and Adam could be too OP. I was thinking of letting people argue which one they think is the best idea.

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Originally Posted by ChickenWing

People could have a team of will breakers, but they would be dealing very little damage (less than the other heroes' physical damage. Think of Calvin's current damage. It's rather weak. I wouldn't have a team of such damage dealers.)

But yes, I agree, there is no need to have all of them. Even two of them with Maria and Adam could be too OP. I was thinking of letting people argue which one they think is the best idea.

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I think the calvinistic rhize would be the best, but with a moral drain of 100, no more, no less. This might make a moral sainting a bit more useful and strategic. I would enjoy it.

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Originally Posted by DrthCaedus

I think the calvinistic rhize would be the best, but with a moral drain of 100, no more, no less. This might make a moral sainting a bit more useful and strategic. I would enjoy it.

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That would be a very good way to prevent him from being overpowered.

If you want two Willbreakers you can use Percy and Calvin.

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Originally Posted by Andy

If you want two Willbreakers you can use Percy and Calvin.

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But they are too weak. Moreover, you need more options than hitting the frontline. I guess that would be an argument against the gold calvin. I'd tend more towards the Calvinistic Rhize.

Like the ideas! Why not just add will-breaker to the list of skill scrolls

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Originally Posted by ChickenWing

But they are too weak. Moreover, you need more options than hitting the frontline. I guess that would be an argument against the gold calvin. I'd tend more towards the Calvinistic Rhize.

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You could have Calvinistic Cianna

How about Calvinistic Flavius??? Or Calvinistic Adam? Calvinistic Blood?

Ohh.. how bout these two.. Calvinistic Percy and Calvinistic Calvin!

... Why not just have a Calvin with beefed up stats or retains morale at the cost of attack strength or something. That seems to fall in line with a lot of what Tynon has already done with new heroes.

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Originally Posted by ChickenWing

But they are too weak. Moreover, you need more options than hitting the frontline. I guess that would be an argument against the gold calvin. I'd tend more towards the Calvinistic Rhize.

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but you just said you want them weak for balance... ;)
but hey, i like the piercing-willbreaker idea. brynn doesnt need a makeover, she just needs to do a lot more damage to make a difference.
but since you are talking about ezekiel/herja, i would love to see ezekiel do something that differenceates him from herja other than more defense. so i think it would be great if he would become the ultimate debuffer/buffer so for example restores/drains morale but instead could do for example random healing or random stunning. like there is a 20% chance to stun target while drain morale or a 20% chance to restore HP and morale... something like that.


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tbh though, i dont think that calvin needs a makeover coz if you get lucky in formations setup then the rendering a hero useless for an entire match is a huge advantage since he can skill every round with the right spirit (remember if he skills first then the normal hit from the one he just drained puts him right back on 100+ morale).

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Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829

but you just said you want them weak for balance... ;)
but hey, i like the piercing-willbreaker idea.

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Piercing Will-Breaker isn't a weak skill, so it needs to be on a low damage range :P

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Originally Posted by ChickenWing

I just thought of another:

Calvinistic Queen Bryn: A mage that, instead of landing random stuns, lands random morale drains.

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There can be a maage which hits 3 random targets, never misses and does good damage.

I like these suggestions Chicken, because at the end-game, the initial morale is so high it's off the charts that not even a 14-star Flavius can counter (Flavius is not effective until after he's pounded by every initial skill attack ....... if he survives. Boom adam, boom Alci, boom Theseus -- dead Flavius. GG.)

There is no counter except Calvin, but...
#1-- there's more than just Adam (Alci, KingT, etc)
#2-- who is dumb enough to put their Adam (or other power-skill toon) in front to be eaten by Pompey??

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Originally Posted by Cuddles_1461020

I like these suggestions Chicken, because at the end-game, the initial morale is so high it's off the charts that not even a 14-star Flavius can counter (Flavius is not effective until after he's pounded by every initial skill attack ....... if he survives. Boom adam, boom Alci, boom Theseus -- dead Flavius. GG.)

There is no counter except Calvin, but...
#1-- there's more than just Adam (Alci, KingT, etc)
#2-- who is dumb enough to put their Adam (or other power-skill toon) in front to be eaten by Pompey??

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Yes exactly. Flavius grows to be ineffective. Mine is pretty sturdy and can usually stand the first round of attacks, but he is rather useless against morale retention heroes. He needs to strike first in those situations so that he has attacked twice when the second round begins. That means he is frontline in those situations. But in those situations, he can rarely take the hits.

i agree with this. but what i really want to see is a good mage, and not a stunner. most of the mages are stunners and only a handful of them are even good. a mage that could turn the tides of a good formation that doesnt need to stun.

an insane high hit rating by default and extremely high magic attack and very high skill def/phy def.

back to the point, a piercing thrust morale down would be beastly. my top row is herja/adam/king t. so that could hurt alot for adam and king t. once i get second sub, i'd put bloodstorm back in just cause he doesnt need to rely on herja/ezekiel. cause she would probably be dead by then, khan would be a good choice too. so far the only unique attack is general alcibiades frontal assualt and i like it like that, even though its a great attack. so in a way i would prefer an entire new attack, but i couldnt think of a new AoE attack to give to a new hero to make them just as unique and not be utter crap lol

I suggest a All in One hero:
Dame: Skill + phy + mage attack, AOE
Effect: stun + morale down to zero + increase critical in 3 turn.