Corrupted 6.25 Baal

So what exactly is this Cap? And how can an entire realm possibly make less resources on Baal that is 5 times larger than a 1.25 billion Baal? We were all robbed today. Forget about a one Million Coin Cap.. Execdude walked away with 18 million in coins for 1st place.. 2nd place yielded 9 million.. Myself.. being in 3rd yielded 7 million coins.. 4th place took home a whopping 4 million. and with 20 participants in Baal .. well you do the math.. more like a 50 million CAP.. which is completely UNACCEPTABLE. How can tynon encourage growth and then punish players for it.

We all make more in the 1.25 Baal, not to mention that we are all held hostage for over 35 minutes having to finish this event while his health was showing in the negative.. just so we could reap what little rewards that we were given.

This was our first attempt at the 6.25 Baal. We had to try it just to see what everyone was talking about.. but WTH??

50 Million CAP really???? Tynon is self imploding instead of fixing things.. what is the 50 million Cap punishment for everyone complaining about there being a 100 MILLION Cap? Whatever the heck ever.

this topic has pretty much been discussed to death, there are so many threads going about it and each one is people that are complaining. Yet Tynon states that they don't see any problem with it and isn't planning on changing it in the near future.

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Originally Posted by lostinhouse_815896

So what exactly is this Cap? And how can an entire realm possibly make less resources on Baal that is 5 times larger than a 1.25 billion Baal? We were all robbed today. Forget about a one Million Coin Cap.. Execdude walked away with 18 million in coins for 1st place.. 2nd place yielded 9 million.. Myself.. being in 3rd yielded 7 million coins.. 4th place took home a whopping 4 million. and with 20 participants in Baal .. well you do the math.. more like a 50 million CAP.. which is completely UNACCEPTABLE. How can tynon encourage growth and then punish players for it.

We all make more in the 1.25 Baal, not to mention that we are all held hostage for over 35 minutes having to finish this event while his health was showing in the negative.. just so we could reap what little rewards that we were given.

This was our first attempt at the 6.25 Baal. We had to try it just to see what everyone was talking about.. but WTH??

50 Million CAP really???? Tynon is self imploding instead of fixing things.. what is the 50 million Cap punishment for everyone complaining about there being a 100 MILLION Cap? Whatever the heck ever.

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i thought the max was at 100m and not 50m?

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Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829

i thought the max was at 100m and not 50m?

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It is. The 6.25b Banish is capped at 100m coins and 40m credits the same as 1.25b. You seemingly get less because each round does less damage compared to the lower tier as it has much more HP.

I thought you were closing done to death threads Morgan. Or is it just mine you close down?

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Originally Posted by Morgan le Fay

It is. The 6.25b Banish is capped at 100m coins and 40m credits the same as 1.25b. You seemingly get less because each round does less damage compared to the lower tier as it has much more HP.

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I think the point of the topic is, for them the cap lowered even more for some reason.

To OP, do you remember the % exec got? It's be easier to do the math rather than adding up the top few players and then guessing what all the others got.

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Originally Posted by jrrtolley_7332441

I thought you were closing done to death threads Morgan. Or is it just mine you close down?

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It wasn't a good topic to discuss. Don't post unnecessary comments in other people's threads.

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Originally Posted by g346007_1906957

I think the point of the topic is, for them the cap lowered even more for some reason.

To OP, do you remember the % exec got? It's be easier to do the math rather than adding up the top few players and then guessing what all the others got.

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As I said, the cap is the same as 1.25b coming from someone who has done a lot of 6.25b. You get less because the damage you inflict is less per round.

Everyone gets less, there is no conspiracy or lessened cap. It is what it is.

6.25 B Banish should not have the same cap. This takes much longer to finish, requires more effort on the players part and is split among far more players since you have to have so many to put it down. If there is to be a cap like that it should be a max per person. That way servers that are full will get a fair amount to make it worth their time and effort.
And before the subject is brought up again....Yes there will be those pesky alts doing banish to get their cut then being farmed by the main. That is going to happen until Tynon figures out a way to stop them.

roflmao - now the new servers are having issues with 6.25b - but when it was just servers 1-10 it was ok cause we are just greedy.

we are already standing still for 5 minutes before attacking to avoid getting the 6.5B banish. This is for alll guilds in the realm. I expect it will be continued till the cap is raised. Who wants to spend an hour battling when we can wait 5 min and get completed in 15 minutes with the same reward.

The logical short-term quickfix is to just raise the cap to 300M or 400M for 6.25B banish while keeping the 100M cap for 1.25B banish.

Random thing today...

I got more coins and credits than the cap allows. I didn't get the 10m coins from last hit either. The world announcement still showed the capped amount, but my rewards were higher.

Wow are you on an empty realm? What % of the damage do you do?

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Originally Posted by Yelsha

The logical short-term quickfix is to just raise the cap to 300M or 400M for 6.25B banish while keeping the 100M cap for 1.25B banish.

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By just doubling the cap will allow progression.
We took banish down by 14 mins past today. That's waiting 5 minutes and not having a full turn out. We only have 25 people who turn out for CERB on a normal daily basis.
Normally we are 2-3 of our power players short.
I don't think it's fair that we get punished for being powerful.

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Originally Posted by Yelsha

Wow are you on an empty realm? What % of the damage do you do?

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I did 84%. 10ish people during banish?

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Originally Posted by DaBooMan

By just doubling the cap will allow progression.
We took banish down by 14 mins past today. That's waiting 5 minutes and not having a full turn out. We only have 25 people who turn out for CERB on a normal daily basis.
Normally we are 2-3 of our power players short.
I don't think it's fair that we get punished for being powerful.

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Boo ,
SMH
how is it fair if you and me and the rest of servers 1-5 can get more rewards from banish then say Blayd, becuase we can trigger 6.25b and smaller, less populated servers with one uber coiner can not.

We are not being punished for being powerful, we are being punished because we didnt spend enough money.

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Originally Posted by g346007_1906957

Random thing today...

I got more coins and credits than the cap allows. I didn't get the 10m coins from last hit either. The world announcement still showed the capped amount, but my rewards were higher.

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It's just a display bug.

Refresh and you'll see that you get the normal amounts (80% of your damage).

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Originally Posted by Herby

It's just a display bug.

Refresh and you'll see that you get the normal amounts (80% of your damage).

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that is based on a 1.25b baal or you can just say your damage % times 1 mil is your coins

in a 6.25b its 16% of your damage

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Originally Posted by Herby

It's just a display bug.

Refresh and you'll see that you get the normal amounts (80% of your damage).

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I'll check during baal. I didn't take note of the coins I had beforehand so idk.

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Originally Posted by mattp169

that is based on a 1.25b baal or you can just say your damage % times 1 mil is your coins

in a 6.25b its 16% of your damage

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I know.

g34 was doing the 1.25b hp boss.

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Originally Posted by g346007_1906957

I'll check during baal. I didn't take note of the coins I had beforehand so idk.

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Same thing happened to me when i got hit before the final tally came out.

After the fight, the final tally listed my winnings without the 20% deduction.

After I refreshed, the real amounts (with the deduction) showed as added to my current gold/credit totals.

This is in the 1.25b hp boss.

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Originally Posted by mattp169

Boo ,
SMH
how is it fair if you and me and the rest of servers 1-5 can get more rewards from banish then say Blayd, becuase we can trigger 6.25b and smaller, less populated servers with one uber coiner can not.

We are not being punished for being powerful, we are being punished because we didnt spend enough money.

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Again you bring my name into this.

on my server we can already trigger 6.26 banish. So if they raised the cap, think about what that would mean for me. :)

The solution needs to be complemented with server mergers, so we can eliminate a vacant server/realm issue. Also remove banish per realm and make it banish per the entire server. thus equalizing the distribution to a larger audience.

- Merger of low populated servers + 1 Banish "Per server" + Raised Banish Cap = winning solution.

Also eliminate server 1 - 5 and bring all members into the new server structure where all realms have to compete for the cities (not per realm).

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Originally Posted by Riot

The solution needs to be complemented with server mergers, so we can eliminate a vacant server/realm issue. Also remove banish per realm and make it banish per the entire server. thus equalizing the distribution to a larger audience.

- Merger of low populated servers + 1 Banish "Per server" + Raised Banish Cap = winning solution.

Also eliminate server 1 - 5 and bring all members into the new server structure where all realms have to compete for the cities (not per realm).

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Thanks Blayd needed a good laugh. Changing GWF on sevrers 1-10 not 1-5 to the 11+ structure will cause a huge loss of income for uCool. Because it would drive people to quit, hence why they didnt change it for us before

I agree merging servers to eliminate empty realms.
Then just get rid of the cap, theres really no need with how expensive upgrades are. If you got enough people per realm per server you dont need a cap.

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Originally Posted by Riot

Again you bring my name into this.

on my server we can already trigger 6.26 banish. So if they raised the cap, think about what that would mean for me. :)

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Oh if you trigger it then the cap will go away soon. They were waiting for you to trigger to do something different. All comments Dawn ade said AT THIS TIME or YET. They were waiting to figure something out and for even a fairly new server to trigger to do something. SO good news. Now just wait and see what they do

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Originally Posted by mattp169

Thanks Blayd needed a good laugh. Changing GWF on sevrers 1-10 not 1-5 to the 11+ structure will cause a huge loss of income for uCool. Because it would drive people to quit, hence why they didnt change it for us before

I agree merging servers to eliminate empty realms.
Then just get rid of the cap, theres really no need with how expensive upgrades are. If you got enough people per realm per server you dont need a cap.

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Why would people quit because there is the same GWF structure? So having the ability to own 12 cities per realm (and there is 5 realms on your server) is ok for your server, but not ok for other servers? Yet you want other events on other servers to be bestowed on to your server as well? Let's be consistent. You don't have enough players to challenge each other within each realm to make a beans bit of difference. Yet you have more people to steal maps from on the sea and have more people sailing because of the way the server is laid out. The older servers are not more "alive" than the newer servers, they just seem that way because of how it is structured. Time to do away with the inconsistency and make them all the same.

I highly doubt that players who really enjoy this game would quit because they no longer can easily own 12 cities. It may be more fun and a challenge. OR - You have the option to play Evony and twirl your thumb while you wait for your grass to grow.

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Originally Posted by mattp169

Oh if you trigger it then the cap will go away soon. They were waiting for you to trigger to do something different. All comments Dawn ade said AT THIS TIME or YET. They were waiting to figure something out and for even a fairly new server to trigger to do something. SO good news. Now just wait and see what they do

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Why would they be waiting for me to trigger banish? I am sure Execdude can also do the same with the players on his server I am sure as well as other servers with high powered players if they put a little effort into it.

They will most likely place a cap per player and do away with the cap in general before they remove the cap on banish. Removing cap on banish is a dream that will never come true. Better odds playing the power ball.

Also I don't think anyone from UCOOL is even reading this forum TBH. There has been no communications to the community going on a month+

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Originally Posted by Riot

Why would people quit because there is the same GWF structure? So having the ability to own 12 cities per realm (and there is 5 realms on your server) is ok for your server, but not ok for other servers? Yet you want other events on other servers to be bestowed on to your server as well? Let's be consistent. You don't have enough players to challenge each other within each realm to make a beans bit of difference. Yet you have more people to steal maps from on the sea and have more people sailing because of the way the server is laid out. The older servers are not more "alive" than the newer servers, they just seem that way because of how it is structured. Time to do away with the inconsistency and make them all the same.

I highly doubt that players who really enjoy this game would quit because they no longer can easily own 12 cities. It may be more fun and a challenge. OR - You have the option to play Evony and twirl your thumb while you wait for your grass to grow.

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Originally Posted by Riot

Why would they be waiting for me to trigger banish? I am sure Execdude can also do the same with the players on his server I am sure as well as other servers with high powered players if they put a little effort into it.

They will most likely place a cap per player and do away with the cap in general before they remove the cap on banish. Removing cap on banish is a dream that will never come true. Better odds playing the power ball.

Also I don't think anyone from UCOOL is even reading this forum TBH. There has been no communications to the community going on a month+

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WHy would they be waiting on you?
Good question. You are the biggest spender, you are on a fairly new server, so you are a very good person to base changes on.

I never said that i liked 11+ gwf nor do i think there should be 2 different gwf systems. I think both sytems are flawed and need changed to one NEW system
I have made the suggestion to merge the 2 servers per time form 1-10 and then split them into 5 new servers 1 per realm with 2 new empty realms and set gwf to be the same as 11+
I have made many many suggestions on new ideas for gwf.


Blayd I am not trying to pick on you or single you out. But you are the top spender in the game, your name will get mentioned because of that. Your are a guideline for what can and has been achieved. When I mention you, its not really about you personally its about the acct you created.

All caps are unfair and useless imo and are merely a substitute for quality game design and planning.

People would quit because we are accustomed to one game, and changing GWF to a system that is not designed to support the number of active players we have on 1-10 will upset people greatly. On server 1 we have one realm where multiple guilds hold cities. Some people on the server enjoy being in that realm and fighting over cities daily. Others left the realm.

I think someone is reading this stuff. Just not replying Look at how few comments of value Dawn ever made, because he had alot of worthless - just chit chatty like posts. There was nothing wrong with them but they were not communication from uCool to the players. Yet almost every change in this game has been in response to comments posted on this forum. I just dont think they have anything ready, so there is nothing to say.

If I were The person required to post on here as my job, if there was no good news to post, I would just be quiet. We can be pretty ruthless at times. Dawn was the brunt of a lot of frustration that wasnt his fault, but since he was the only person form uCool communicating with us, he got it all.

Just chillax. Changes should be on the way sooner or later. When they want a lot of investment, they will give us content to invest in.

People on servers 1-10 like the realm wars system. Ask any of them and they hate the idea of GWs going server wide. It's partially why the first 10 servers have remained reasonably active, no one guild rules the server. So yeah a huge portion would probably quit if they suddenly had their buffs removed.

As for Dave, he reads the forum and he's a very busy man. He hasn't posted because as far as I can tell there is nothing to tell you guys.

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Originally Posted by mattp169

WHy would they be waiting on you?
Good question. You are the biggest spender, you are on a fairly new server, so you are a very good person to base changes on.

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I think Ava may have me beat on the spend :)

We just played it differently.

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Originally Posted by Riot

I think Ava may have me beat on the spend :)

We just played it differently.

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I think you two are just about even :)

You two will be about the same in effective power in the next cwf also.

The new challengers to watch out for are fleur, exec, tiny and/or legion.

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Originally Posted by g346007_1906957

Random thing today...

I got more coins and credits than the cap allows. I didn't get the 10m coins from last hit either. The world announcement still showed the capped amount, but my rewards were higher.

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refresh if you got that. there is a bug that adds the coins from your cities to the banish (as it should) but isn't intended. if you bought a lot of runes, you will have a forced refresh from the system and it will roll the runes back.


EDIT: i still suggest to keep the cap as is and raise the chip levels to something worth the time (7 and up) and give out random sirius armor plans for the winner

Could you imagine starting on a new server and getting a lvl 7 chip and sirius gear plan? Ya that's a big no.

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Originally Posted by japerdog50_9329163

Could you imagine starting on a new server and getting a lvl 7 chip and sirius gear plan? Ya that's a big no.

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agreed. cap raise is more than enough to keep everyone happy for any level.

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Originally Posted by japerdog50_9329163

Could you imagine starting on a new server and getting a lvl 7 chip and sirius gear plan? Ya that's a big no.

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i guarantee you that if that server starts with a 6.25B banish and they kill it right away, they removed deserved that lv7 chip.
(in case you missed it, i was talking about increasing chip level and plans for the 6.25B banish, not for the small ones lol ;))

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Originally Posted by Greenly

agreed. cap raise is more than enough to keep everyone happy for any level.

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instead of everytime agreeing and saying yes on japer, maybe you should actually read what the others write and confirm if thats your true opinion, otherwise you would have read its for the 6.25b and that i am not saying to remove the cap, i am saying to keep it.

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1. keep the coin cap on the 6.25B banishes
2. increase chip levels to something significant
   • 1st lv 7 chip
   • 2nd lv6
   • 3rd lv5
   • 4th + 5th lv4
   • 6-10th lv3
   
   
3. winner gets sirius armor plan
   second and third place get current HR plan

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Originally Posted by japerdog50_9329163

Could you imagine starting on a new server and getting a lvl 7 chip and sirius gear plan? Ya that's a big no.

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I doubt the new server will be able to do 6.25 Banish, so this is nothing to be concerned about.

I like the idea of keeping the cap, but raising the stakes for the 1 - 10 place winners (be it in chips, plans, tokens, stars, etc).

ok i misunderstood. Ya that sounds like a good idea.

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Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829

i guarantee you that if that server starts with a 6.25B banish and they kill it right away, they removed deserved that lv7 chip.
(in case you missed it, i was talking about increasing chip level and plans for the 6.25B banish, not for the small ones lol ;))




instead of everytime agreeing and saying yes on japer, maybe you should actually read what the others write and confirm if thats your true opinion, otherwise you would have read its for the 6.25b and that i am not saying to remove the cap, i am saying to keep it.

again:

1. keep the coin cap on the 6.25B banishes
2. increase chip levels to something significant
   • 1st lv 7 chip
   • 2nd lv6
   • 3rd lv5
   • 4th + 5th lv4
   • 6-10th lv3
   
   
3. winner gets sirius armor plan
   second and third place get current HR plan

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i actually read it and yeah, i don't agree with you. why i had to say it twice i do not understand.

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Originally Posted by Morgan le Fay

It is. The 6.25b Banish is capped at 100m coins and 40m credits the same as 1.25b. You seemingly get less because each round does less damage compared to the lower tier as it has much more HP.

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That's exactly the problem that prompted this thread. Almost everyone in the banish was in the same guild. We added up the rewards we each got along with the estimated rewards for the 11 player who got less than 1%. It was about 50mil and significantly less than what we normally get from 1.25b. On 1.25 if I get 10% I get 10mil. At almost 10% damage on 6.25b I got under 5mil. Before you start about seemingly lower rewards because of baal having more HP, that's a percentage not raw damage. 10% damage on baal with a 100mil coin cap should be 10mil, regardless of baal size. Something is messed up with the cap.

Since this is such a hot topic, I am wondering if there will be any changes made with the upcoming patch.

If so, I would like to see 1 banish per the entire server so people do not jump to empty realms just to farm coins.

Then raise the cap on banish since it is the same banish for the entire server to a more reasonable amount, or put in place a per player cap for how many coins one can earn per banish and don't worry about any cap on the boss.

Put in place a per player cap for how many coins one can earn per banish and don't worry about any cap on the boss.
This Yes! If 100 show up to fight it they all have equal chance at high payout. If only 10 show up same chance. Then if we end up with 6.25 Baal because we have a server full of people whacking at him we all get a fair amount for the work we do.

Well by the time players get on 6.25B banish, things like stars and high lvl chips will benefit them more than more coins/credits anyways. If 6.25B Banish awarded a fair number of stars and high lvl chips, I think the coin/credit cap would be a lot more acceptable to most people.

For the record, they don't need to fix the cap per say, they just need to fix how it's been done. The problem isn't the cap itself, its that they don't know how to program the game with a proper cap. So rather than doing a hard cap, which would make it so that people could never get over 100mil regardless of what damage they do, they just use the % of damage as a controller, so that 1% = 1mil. 10% = 10mil etc. If they took the damage that is actually displayed at the end of a round (which for the 6bil boss, is approximately 5 times more than the 1.6bil boss) and allowed you to accumulate at that rate until you hit 100mil, at which point any more damage that you did wouldn't result in more coin for you, I don't think we'd be having this discussion, and that would be proper coding. Unfortunately, their programmers went the easy way out, rather than programming properly.
So whether it's been talked to death or not, it's actually still a BUG. Because the return does not reflect what is shown on the per round basis. It's using the % of damage instead.