Talent Expansion Idea

A lot of players are reaching the cap on talents now.
When the next major update comes out, rather than simply increasing the level cap and/or talent cap, I suggest adding three new talents:

Adroitness: +1 dodge +1 critical per level
Steadiness: +1 block +1 hit per level
Hardiness: +1 resilience +1 break per level

Costwise, these new talents will have the same cooldown as the 3 attack talents (Illuminated Mind, Psychic Amplifier, SOS) does now, and will have DOUBLE the credit cost as Psychic Amplifier and Illuminated Mind do now, making them sigfniciant investments for players that have nearly maxed the other talents already.

What do you guys think?

+1 ... they would need to scale all PVM up a little in these stats though.

Edit: and I think these may as well be split up... gives us a little more to do and more control over which stats we want first.

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Originally Posted by Yelsha

A lot of players are reaching the cap on talents now.
When the next major update comes out, rather than simply increasing the level cap and/or talent cap, I suggest adding three new talents:

Adroitness: +1 dodge +1 critical per level
Steadiness: +1 block +1 hit per level
Hardiness: +1 resilience +1 break per level

Costwise, these new talents will have the same cooldown as the 3 attack talents (Illuminated Mind, Psychic Amplifier, SOS) does now, and will have DOUBLE the credit cost as Psychic Amplifier and Illuminated Mind do now, making them sigfniciant investments for players that have nearly maxed the other talents already.

What do you guys think?

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if anything then it should be dodge/break and resi/crit. however i like the idea of adding new talents (there is also 2 unused boxes in that window...), but in my mind it should be single stats like g3 is suggesting. with that being said, i still think that the old talents should scale differently to make them significant in the first place, because as of now they are not in higher levels. therefore there is no insentive to even open up the 3rd talent queue hence the 4th and so on...
to the disbelievers lets make an example about doing consistant damage on HR bosses and barely failing, lets say 95%, improve your PA or your SOS by 10 levels and you wont even gain 1% to get to 96% or higher. take banishes as example and you have the same situation.
as much as i like the idea of "dual skills", i'd like to see the existing skills working first, since you gain the same at level 100 as you did at level 10 and thats just not right.

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Originally Posted by Yelsha

A lot of players are reaching the cap on talents now.
When the next major update comes out, rather than simply increasing the level cap and/or talent cap, I suggest adding three new talents:

Adroitness: +1 dodge +1 critical per level
Steadiness: +1 block +1 hit per level
Hardiness: +1 resilience +1 break per level

Costwise, these new talents will have the same cooldown as the 3 attack talents (Illuminated Mind, Psychic Amplifier, SOS) does now, and will have DOUBLE the credit cost as Psychic Amplifier and Illuminated Mind do now, making them sigfniciant investments for players that have nearly maxed the other talents already.

What do you guys think?

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Lol level 100 of these = +100 dodge, +100 crit, etc

You serious? like seriously?

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Originally Posted by Herby

Lol level 100 of these = +100 dodge, +100 crit, etc

You serious? like seriously?

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How are bosses going to get harder from here? Eventually people will have maxxed out weapons/spirits, runes, and 2 sets of near maxxed out defensive gear. How do you make it more challenging then? Well, you can increase boss's and minion's hit, crit, dodge, block, etc. Then how do you beat these bosses when runes are maxxed? By going the route of these talents, duh!

See, even if you say, "oh just increase rune cap," eventually those caps will be reached.

Also, current maxxes for hit rating and crit are insufficient for fighting 6.25B banish boss effectively.
People should be able to stun and crit these bosses using max runes and max gear with 1-2 proper saintings, provided they have a good 40-50 levels of these new talents.

Hey lvl 12 runes give almost 200 for each of them. Plus its just a different and new way to increase them.

Or maybe have them capped at 1/2 of max level, so capped at 60 when the player reaches level 120.

i like the idea, but seeing as only 2 spaces in talent box maybe they should be crit/hit/break and resil/dodge/block - but their "+ value" adds a percentage multiplier not an actual amount. this way the increments could be quite small and it wont be until the talent is at mid to high levels that a real benefit is noticed. i'm thinking maybe 0.5% increase per talent level might be a reasonable amount.

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Originally Posted by trahevony_4745091

i like the idea, but seeing as only 2 spaces in talent box maybe they should be crit/hit/break and resil/dodge/block - but their "+ value" adds a percentage multiplier not an actual amount. this way the increments could be quite small and it wont be until the talent is at mid to high levels that a real benefit is noticed. i'm thinking maybe 0.5% increase per talent level might be a reasonable amount.

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Problem with % bonus is 1) it widens the gap between people who are already at lvl 12 runes and those at lvl 9-11 runes and 2) makes stat (crit hit dodge break dodge res) saintings OP

I like this idea. However, the next round of talents should not only cost much more credits, it may also be good to tie it to accomplishing a very hard quest or certain heroics boss. This would make it more interesting.

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Originally Posted by Herby

Lol level 100 of these = +100 dodge, +100 crit, etc

You serious? like seriously?

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I thought it was April fools day all over again

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Originally Posted by Yelsha

Problem with % bonus is 1) it widens the gap between people who are already at lvl 12 runes and those at lvl 9-11 runes and 2) makes stat (crit hit dodge break dodge res) saintings OP

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gap will widen anyways for those who have their current set of talents maxed out versus a person who is still working their way towards it - person with talents maxed can concentrate on new ones whereas the one who isnt maxed will have to work on existing plus new ones... there is no way to make it fair for all by introducing new talents on an already established server. besides the gap obviously would exist in the first place so it would not be a new experience for those not as advanced as their counterparts. just something new to do in addition to what they are already behind in doing.

and as for making saintings overpowered... well the % i quoted would obviously need to be looked at in more detail. it might be taht the percentage is somethign like 0.05% - whatever it needs to be to still be balanced in teh grand scheme of things. the idea i believe has merit

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Originally Posted by Yelsha

Problem with % bonus is 1) it widens the gap between people who are already at lvl 12 runes and those at lvl 9-11 runes and 2) makes stat (crit hit dodge break dodge res) saintings OP

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so what? so you are honestly saying that the higher you get, the more you should pay for an equal increment, meaning making it more and more pointless to increase any skill after 70. now you are comparing runes with buffs, the runes INCREASE by higher levels with raising increments. why not make the skills like that?
also the gap as is is already getting bigger and bigger, its separating the elite from the minions. thats what its all about.
i ask you: where is the point in playing a game, increasing your level, spending your money and getting more and more penalized on your way up to let newbies and weekend players catch up with you?
in my mind if you have the credit card to pay for being awesome, then you shall get awesome. in other words, if you have the money to pay for a ferrari then you should get just that and not a red fiat with rally stripes.

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Originally Posted by Riot

I like this idea. However, the next round of talents should not only cost much more credits, it may also be good to tie it to accomplishing a very hard quest or certain heroics boss. This would make it more interesting.

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Better idea is to have it be unlocked at a high level, say 100, and you can only level it one level for each level you are over than 100. Then make the credit costs very high, and make the cooldowns equal to those of lvl 100-115 attack talents.

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Originally Posted by jrrtolley_7332441

I thought it was April fools day all over again

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Same.

I guess the threadstarter is just being sarcastic about this whole thread.

Maybe the next suggestion would be a talent that would give gems daily. lol.

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Originally Posted by Herby

Same.

I guess the threadstarter is just being sarcastic about this whole thread.

Maybe the next suggestion would be a talent that would give gems daily. lol.

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why? as far as i know there was intentions to add different talents later on or at least to keep it as an option. how do you personally feel about gaining 200'ish HP for your talent increase at level 114 and pay almost 12m credits with an insane cooldown, to then at the end have 4-6 talent queues open because your skills are maxed? so the guys who didnt open his additional talent queues and doesnt level up skills past 80 since the increase is insignificant compare to the level 10 player who is getting the same is looking rather smart. all the OP is doing is making suggestions for something that should have been adjusted a long time ago. there is no need to mock or troll the ones that are trying. if you disagree with the idea, then its fine to say so. maybe you can come up with something better, try us. but until then you shouldnt make him look like a fool.
i think the talents should be changed to scale in sync with the level of the player. if that results into "too easy gameplay" then only because the new unreleased pretend content isnt hard enough. dont forget that it will not only be one player who gets stronger but everyone else too.
the only reason for the talents being so low is that they have never been changed or where intended for such high levels as we are now.

the least developers could have done was to increase the increment after 110 when they increased the level cap.

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Originally Posted by Herby

Same.

I guess the threadstarter is just being sarcastic about this whole thread.

Maybe the next suggestion would be a talent that would give gems daily. lol.

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There's nothing wrong with a large boost in these stats. Between endgame players, these stats cancel out. Monsters need to be scaled up a bit, but we would also need ways to deal with harder monsters in the future.