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Here is a solution for Banish.
1. Place a "Player CAP" based on their level.
500k coins per level cap. This would yield 50 mil coins at level 100 and 55mil at level 110 and 60 mil at level 120 and so on.
2. Remove all cap on banish since player cap is now in place which should be based on damage done to Banish.
This would make a player compete with him or her self to get most coins.
All problem solved and everyone is happy and no one is jumping realms to farm coins in a dead realm.
:D
Before any of that would do any good. There needs to be a cap on toons from the same IP address(1). There needs to be a cap on guilds owned on server (!). There needs to be a cap on the banish exploit (0). Oh yeah, there already is, it just is not followed or policed
i like this idea. this would also help the smaller players to gain their own coins and credits. they would get more to help them build up easier too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Riot
Did I hear someone say IP Filtering? YES! Use the same ACL Rules cept make it server wide where only 1 IP address Can access the server @ any given time. I cant stay logged into my main acct from 2 pc's why should others be able to run 5 alts from 5 diff browsers to steal last coin hit.. Since there is a CAP in place on Level im with Riot on this one. +111111
Edit: I know alts are in the game to stay. Just wishful thinking. Please dont banish me for venting my illusion. Thanks!
Doesn't help if the big player still do 50%+ dmg.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenly
To make it based only on players themselves, boss would need unlimited HP.
Also, there should be diminishing rewards. The more damage you do, the less coins you get per damage. Reaching the cap amount should be a challenge. Also closes gap between the big and small player's incomes.
I agree with Riot completely.
Wish MattP was here to chime in.
And there most be something done about alts. But limiting by IP seems kind of unfair. For instance, my roomate plays too, and we use the same internet so have the same IP. Even though we don't play alts, we would be forced to go out and use wifi somewhere else in order to both be on at the same time. Or what if you are using public wifi at Starbucks, and someone else is playing the game too?
So the new sales pitch is work hard and get stronger!!! yaaay! congratz! your reward for your work is less for banish events?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yels_5659409
By not giving us a new expansion or even a date for one, or merge for that matter, the amount of people who have finsihed quest and heroics has risen dramatically.
The last thing to help keep this game alive is to add more even more caps to events
Be careful what you wish for lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Yels_5659409
I'm not sure about level caps because some low level people do very well in banish compared to higher level people. I wouldn't want them penalized because they have less exp. Honestly, I'm not so crazy about levels in general. They just make stuff more expensive and wolf claws harder to find.
It shouldn't be that easy to reach level cap. But it should be something like, to reach 60M coin, you need to do 1.2 billion damage. Most people with good setups and two setups can easily reach that output. On the other hand, to reach 30M coin, you should only need to do around 400M damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlandreScarlet_7896971
IP address can be changed easily, plus with merged servers u can by the rules of tynon have 2 accs on the same server if u had 1 on each of the merged servers
I am talking about same server not server wide. IE. ip 207.12.1.1 You could play on all 115 servers if you please. Just not at the same time on the same server. If your roomate played on the same server as you then I think a simple ticket would fix this. But its wishful thinking and doubt any of it would be put in place. I run 2 accounts on the same server so this would affect me. But if it would get rid of 100 alts and people farming them I am all for it. This game has so much potentional. Sad that the people running it dont see what we do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yels_5659409
Maybe he stopped playing because he was tired of waiting for Tynon to release something new.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yels_5659409
He's still got gear to get to 115 i'm sure and a hefty rep fee if he doesn't at least come on daily. He prob just doesn't frequent the forums as often now with nothing new to discuss other than the usual. Though you could do your daily in like 30 min an just auto for the rest of the day; maby that could be the next vip addition. When ya cap at 115 an there's no exp to gain whats the point other than to auto arena for that could be 1k stake? ;) Answer: Auto arena even when you're offline for a higher vip than the current 3. Just a thoughtQuote:
Originally Posted by ChickenWing
i dont think there is anything wrong with the cap and it doesnt need fixing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Riot
what needs fixing is that all banishes drop a lv4 chip and 2 lv 3 chips for the top 3 players and lv 2 chips for the 4-10th regardless what banish you do. i mean its great to get a lv 4 as a player who started a week ago, but after a couple months no one cares anymore.
i have said it in the past and will say it here again:
1) 1.25 banish should give a random lv5 for winner then lv4 for 2nd/3rd and lv3's for 4-10. also the 6.25 banish a random lv6 for the winner and so on
2) 6.25 banish should also give out random sirius armor plans until the new game content is here
3) the winning player should be excluded from the 10m reward
4) result button should be reinstated
giving out random sirus armor plans is meaningless right now because you cant get any of the materials.Quote:
Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829
also by raising the higher levels chips for top finisher, it does not fix the issue of people realm hopping to dead realms to farm coins and chips.
only server mergers will fix that "problem" if it is one. And theres been none of those, for months !!
are we still going on trying to find a solution to a problem that was created by ucool when there wasnt really a problem to start with.
Just kill the cap period. Enough solutions.
If income is being gained to fast the solution is not a cap
it is server merges and giving us more to spend on and making it so the wb hp increases by a factor of 5 isnt necessary. or simply changing teh whole formula for rewards in banish. ANY CAP IS A BAD IDEA IN THE LONG RUN
stop suggesting cap alternatives.
I still belive running banish like rag is the best solution
it can run in the back ground.
no refreshing needed
everyone gets the same number of rounds in every realm on every server
then the formula for rewards can be adjusted universally by the dev team if it is needed to keep progression of players form out pacing development.
thi sis such a simple and eloquent solution, that i hope it is implemented in the next major patch - it solves the problem that the cap was meant to fix in the first place without punishing anyone, and solve sthe refresh issue and balances banish across all realms and servers.
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Originally Posted by mattp169
agreed :)
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Originally Posted by mattp169
like that!
*shrugs* :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Riot
did you smoke something or do you really think that switching realms is in any way, even remotely related to a coin farming "problem" other than hunting gemstakes and that it needs fixing or your own suggestion would "fix" any of those imaginative "problems" of yours?
then there is plenty of players that saved their mats from arenas and i am pretty sure that a lot of the real players are hoarders and have saved up 1-2 complete sirius sets in their inventory and bank. i also had added its for the 6.25b banishes until the new content is released to give it some sense to the people instead of forcing real players to power down or stop hitting on the 1.25 to not trigger the next banish. also you are clearly missing the additional gem purchases to finance the conjure button.
i really dont care about the cap, let it stay, remove it... it doesnt matter to me. we are holding all 3 coin cities, farming the 1.25 banish. but being able to really progress in the game other than listening to your tantrum and you crying out loud for more coins like a kid rolling over on the floor of a candy store sure is annoying, especially after you bragged so much how much coins you have and dont know what to do with them.
oh boy, ... i cant wait for real new content.
Yep. 100%Quote:
Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829
no one on my server hops for 1k gem stakes and not worth the time or the hassle to get 500 gems and spend 300 to go there and back.
I agree with the "run banish like Rag", it would definitely give the none exploiters a better chance. Also it would aggravate the idiots with their alts in banish. Win win.
i just dont see it. i actually think it would benefit the alts instead. i mean think about it:Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonshadeaux_3172622
- no flash lag due to running in the background
- fights happen at highspeed and "result" when the next battle (re-entry) comes up
- players dont have to be there anymore and/or can go afk
- more accounts can be loaded at once
how would this aggravate anyone but actually not benefit the alts more than the regular players?
ps: refreshing between battles to avoid watching battles that last 20-30 rounds is not an exploit since originally there was a "result" button but was removed because it was causing bugs and not working properly. therefore having not to be forced watching the entire battle is enjoying the game as it was originally intended.
Huh??? Players do not have to be there now. Only the exploiters have to be there. The alts would all have to be better then the other toons to do any good in the banish, unlike now where a crummy exploiter toon gets more % then non exploiters
The game as it was originally intended???? How would you know that? Are you one of those tynon toons that all the paranoids worry about??
More accounts can be loaded at once?? What is there a cap on the amount of alts one can have? Baal, 7 people, The winner and his 2 alts, The losers the other 4.
If Tynon can't figure it out they should banish the banish and come up with a better challenge.
Instead of wasting your time trying to aggravate people try to think before you speak.
The point isn't to prevent alts from getting Banish rewards. Heck, NOBODY IN THE ENTIRE GAME CARES.
What people actually CARE about is alts jumping in to TAKE REWARDS FROM REAL PLAYERS.
Its not the alts getting banish rewards that matter, its the fact that in the current system, every percent of damage the alts do is one percent less to be shared with the main accounts. And with a lot of alts.. thats a good chunk of rewards that can be taken away.
Under a Rag-style system based on a time limit rather than a limited, capped, pool of hit points (and hence rewards), no body would give a s**t about alts participating. Except for taking last hit.. but I think they should just get rid of last hit then.
you should rethink the above said. but i am here to help you out, so lets go into detail:Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonshadeaux_3172622
"Players do not have to be there now. Only the exploiters have to be there."
i am assuming that with "exploit" you mean refreshing. so if i dont refresh between battles i do roughly 30% and with refresh i do 50%. if you however run a lot of alts instead then you are most likely not refreshing those, but if you would have a banish with a ragna like set up then you would not have to refresh at all anymore.
"The game as it was originally intended???? How would you know that? Are you one of those tynon toons that all the paranoids worry about?? "
there is many players here that can tell you about that, i think it was herby who mentioned it to me first and i am not sure what you are worried about in your paranoia but i believe morgan got instructions for you on how to make your own personal tinfoilhat.
"More accounts can be loaded at once?? What is there a cap on the amount of alts one can have? Baal, 7 people, The winner and his 2 alts, The losers the other 4. "
yes if the exploiter with all those alts needs to use multiple computers to do so, if the game would run in the background then he/she could load up even more alts since there is no more or less lag and it uses up less recourses per computer. as for your fictional example, i thought the exploiters would use a lot of alts to be able to farm them for coins after from a different realm on a different banish. if the guy is running his alts in the same banish isnt that kinda like shooting himself into the foot? i mean i can solo the 1.25 banish if i would start boosting 80-100% and i know i am not the only one that can. ... lol and yes there is a cap on alts and that would be zero. however the exploiters, cheaters or whatever you call them can only use as many alts as they have hardware for.
"Instead of wasting your time trying to aggravate people try to think before you speak."
i suggest to go punch some more holes into your walls and calm yourself down before you ragepost again. you remind me of a rioting little boy having a tantrum rolling over on the floor
oh the last hit in my rag style banish is replaced with first blood first strike reward given out randomly
i also think that if we switch to this
the amount of coins/ceds syou get per damage should be reduced greatly
in a 1.25b banish you get 1m coins per 12.5m damage you do i would like to see this get reduce d in my rag style banish to say 1m coins per 50m damage
BUT
the guild tech bonus, city bonus and rc bonuses should be applied to banish rewards. The rep binus already is form cities but thats the only one I know of that actually gets applied to banish. But the coin/credit city bonus the coin credit bonus from rc and the guild tech for more credits form killing monsters should then get applied to banish. or a new guild tech be added that allows you to increase rewards from banish
If they wont apply all these bonuses to banish then i think
1m coins per 25m damage would be appropriate
I like most of MattP's suggestion EXCEPT using guild tech to apply to Banish. Especially not a tech that specifically boosts Banish rewards. Banish should be based on forms and strength only.Quote:
Originally Posted by mattp169
this should have done long time ago. as a fact it is today. currently coins from city bonuses are applied to the banish and then deducted. it just happens instantly. how you can see that is sometimes it bugs out and doesnt deduct the coins (which i believe is caused by sync error) and shows you the true amount of coins only after you refreshed.Quote:
Originally Posted by mattp169
the idea of banish boosting with guild techs i love, i also suggested it in the past (and am not the only one) along with a mount guild skill (more xp, less coodown, whatever comes to the devs mind).
To be totally honest, why shouldnt higher levels earn high amounts of coins from banish. When they started they were getting low amounts and then spent a lot of time building themselves up so they could compete in banish and earn greater rewards. So, its up to low level players to do the same as players have worked hard making themselves stronger to get those rewards so i think they deserve it
A question that has been asked many times but has received no 'direct' response from tynon regarding the issueQuote:
Originally Posted by ZARA-STORM_6088890
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Read over this a few times, and am still trying to figure out what all this all means.
I have one address, and a few demo tunes for nephews, showing Tynon, the game off at Best Buy, etc... the kids are fascinated by Banish Baal.