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A couple weeks ago this player was only 6 million power. Now they are over 37 million power. All Heros are equipped with mostly level 12 runes and some of the heros are already Archangel IV. And he is almost NEVER is Baal or Cerb. Anyone have any ideas? I am over 200 million power.. am always 1st or second in Cerb / Baal, have been playing for over a year.. and he has better runes than me... THIS player comes along and makes me feel that I've been wasting my time here.
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Quite simple, either he found some amazing cheat or he has enormously deep pockets (lots of $$$).
Or won the 20k gems in the casino.
Or is a Dev....
or made enough alts to farm
Well i know who this account belongs to.. and there are no deep pockets.. and no one on our server won 20k gems. So i guess that only leaves the other suggestions.. Just wanted to make sure i wasn't missing something. The cheating is rampant on our server and this is just another player who has found his way to the chicken ranch. lol (its what the rest of us call the 6 chicken guilds with over 200 alts and no gear that seems to supply certain players with an endless amount of coins and credits). One player even has a nice chimera courtesy of the chickens.. thats a LOT of chicken feed.
so when you are aware of the "how", the "why" and the "with whats" or "whatevers", why bother and making the forum posters try to help and waste their time? did you assume they are able to change anything or that anyone will get banned, just because you put a vague post instead of accusing others?Quote:
Originally Posted by lostinhouse_815896
at this point i am not sure who is worst: you who wasted everyones time who was trying to explain you and find a solution after you played dumb or the guys with all the alts who are cheating and not getting banned :(
This post is not a waste of time. I wanted to know if there was any other way to get an account to this point without cheating. Clearly you do not think so.. So thank you for your input. And please do not put words in my mouth or speak for me in the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829
Any other thoughts on how this is legitimately possible are very welcome.. as i would like to believe this game isn't totally screwed for the rest of us who play a fair game.
if i be you, i would take screenshots to point out the obvious and report to stanley, over and over and over and over ... and over... again.... they will most likely do nothing about it. but maybe, just maybe, one day will come and they start enforcing the rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by lostinhouse_815896
they will have to be carefull in doing so because often it may be a couple or most likely the kids playing while fighting over the same computer, but in many cases they will see 5, 10, 50... maybe even 200 accounts tied to the same IP's which is most unlikely. also in my experience from the past in other games, they are not paying customers, so no one cares if the leeches are removed since the realms are stuffed up with "dummies" to make them look full.
...hopefully... one day
EDIT: i remember once when blizzard over night removed 25k CD keys from diablo2 from a very small hack that everyone was using. it was rather innocent and many believed it was actually a part of the game. (it would generate a map to the random world when starting a free online game and once installed you would forget that you had it because it just seemed so natural and like developers forgot to implement it).
well point is, they had the balls to remove 25k CD keys over night and players logged onto empty servers the next morning. after an initial upset players realized the game got a lot more enjoyable without the cheaters who had returned just a few weeks later without their hacks.
the morale of the story though is that enforcing the TOS, EULA or whatever you call it, is not a bad thing. you just have to have the balls to do it. if the players truly love the game, they will come back. but if they where cheating exploiting, flaming leeches then they will move on to the next game and no one will miss them.
Ever consider that he won a large sum of gems from the casino and spent it very wisely?!
Also have you thought about the fact he may be a Vip player and buys his/her gems that way cos it is not displayed on world chat/realm or anything at all so you have no idea as to how much may have spent on his /her game some people spend a lot others nothing at all most of all you only know what you have been told!
( holds my hand up yep i'm a spender i use to get all my gems in the vip that was until i got to vip 7 now i buy through the sales) cant afford vip 8 :)
The thing is you don't know for sure and could be a completely honest person who has just spent very wisely :)
last 2 answers didnt read the thread i guess...he stated no gem wins and not having deep pockets...so i would rule out casino gems and high vip
i guess he might use the starter reward gems on alts to build coins to rob but unless he gets the alts to a fair lvl i dont see how he could make enough to make a real inpact the 4% robs just dosnt add up with small alts unless he has 100 of them with 100m each...
So you're taking his words at face value then? Riiiight, and there's no chance that he may be... lying? :O omg who would have thought possibleQuote:
Originally Posted by andreasl187_6103403
if he lies or not dosnt really matter when its him we answer we can only answer by what he tells us unless the other guy comes in and post
Every one starts this game with nothing!Quote:
Originally Posted by andreasl187_6103403
+when you have done those 7 days i think you get about 4 -500 gems in total,+ daily gems + Saturday sails, arena gems when they come up can soon build up!
if you do nothing with them and let them build up just as coins and credits will!
you should stop being so rude as to judge people and pass sarcastic comment a to weather they read the thread!
an opinion was asked for we have tried to give one in our own ways!
As for his power,.. its possible,.. if you play your game properly to put on a miil in power every other day!
Example:- both i and a friend started at the same time we were almost identical in almost everything but we left or respective guilds and went our own ways, now he out classes me in everything and is almost twice my power! he plays every day and for many hours each day too! i don't,i play for a few hour after work! this is a game to me and not the real world!
so whats to be said about it all,. well may be hes just,.. and i mean just prob a better player than the rest of you,.. and that may be you are all just a tad jealous of him,.. just may be!
If you look closely at the bottom left of the screenshot, you will see that this player has got Adamanti, which if you say he has been playing only couple of weeks (which I take as a maximum of around 8 weeks), then I don't see how he could possible have Adam.Quote:
Originally Posted by lostinhouse_815896
Now, on the other hand he could have been a player who got the 500k reps as a gift from Tynon last year, quit, and came back only to find the he got 'the returner rewards', which I believe includes 50mill coins and credits, 1000 gems, 10k casino chips and I dont know how many reps, but in 8 weeks it certainly is possible to make 300k reps, even if you are not in UA.
So, that explains how he has got so many reps.
But, if I/We had not seen that he has not already got Adam from the screenshot, then we would have never been able to put out a definite conclusion that this player got 500k reps from last year November and returned to find returner rewards.
Now, moving onto the returner rewards to make you really strong, this player obviously assigned all those coins and credits from returner rewards to runes and tavern (I would say talents, but from the screenshot I have got no evidence saying that his talents are really good.)
With the 10k casino chips he must have got maria from the casino, as you state that he does not have deep pockets, simply meaning that he did NOT purchase her with real money, also I believe Maria was not available last year November/December.
This player must have also got very lucky in getting a lot of coins from the casino, and trust me 10k casino chips is A LOT, and I would die to get my hands on those.
Now, 8 weeks means 4 Championship Warfare, which in my personal experience if you know how to bet properly you can make LOADS of loot. This player obviously spent his cw tickets on blue medals and purple medals as you see on his main character, he has already got 9 stars and 4 half moons. (Can't comment on the other heroes as I can't see their specs.)
In my mind 1000 gems would give you significant value especially if you don't waste it all in the casino as you already had 10k casino chips to spend there.
With a 1000 gems, and being in a guild that has majority of gw cities, especially lvl 4 cities, this would substantiate the fact of how he got such good heroes and lvl 12 runes. (Opportunity to prove me wrong here)
The P. Stone will give you a lot more coins and the shrine will have a significant value increase. This is in my mind where he got all his credits to get heroes to, and I quote: "... are already Archangel IV". Now we all know that we can build up Dawnseeker (the cheapest gold card hero) and later transfer to other heroes, and Calvin (the cheapest purple card hero) and transfer to heroes such as queen p or lance.
To conclude here it is certainly possible to get to where he is from having tynons gift of 500k reps last year November and returning to the returner rewards which he used very wisely. It is also most certainly possible to get where he is from FOUR CHAMPIONSHIP WARFARE'S (Maybe five, maybe 3), which if you bet wisely you most certainly can get high starred heroes and get high level sanctification's. Regarding what you say about not having deep pockets, it seems most logical to say he won maria from the casino using his returner rewards. Using the shrine with the bonus of gw lvl 4 cities, it most certainly is possible to get the necessary coins and credits to get where he is currently. It also seems most logical that he would have taken the cheapest route in transferring cheap heroes to high level heroes.
To finish now, everyone should remember "... the truth lies in the evidence ...", no matter how small the evidence is, it can lead to the most logical explanation.
a level 12 costs roughly 450m to make in rune temple without synergy
Really ?:confused: usually cost me 300m coins to make a lvl 12 rune and that without synergyQuote:
Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829
really then tell us howQuote:
Originally Posted by davidschlebusch_6020359
the approximate costs are
11-12 250m coins
10-11 125m
9-10 75m
8-9 38m
7-8 19m
6-7 9m
5-6 5m
4-5 2.5m
3-4 1.25m
2-3 750k
1-2 375k
so a level 12 rune is about 525m coins start to finish
How can you do it for 300m without synergy
I too have asked the question of numbers. However you try to lay out the numbers, they do not always track. I am guessing that random factors in the game code are responsible for this, and in order to keep toons advancing in lvl, it is made a requisite to access dungeons that you be of a certain lvl. Now since we all know that lvl and pwr have almost nothing to do with each other, it is a safe bet that most all of the numbers in this game will not track all the time. So far as I have seen, the system toons can totally suck, yet defeat players easily. The numbers in this game do not track. Once I figured that out, I stopped trying to make sense out of it, and now the game is just a good distraction to me, but I certainly will not spend any money on it.
In this game there is no Hack or Cheating. There is tricks.
There is 3 ways he can get that strong faster. Buying gems or Doing alts to farm them or he has some friends helping him getting stronger by farming their alts.
Nothing else. No cheating or Hacking. Only Tricks that makes u get strong and it makes u strong only for a short time once ur reach a power lvl around 80-90M here it will be all about ur strategy and experience in-game and with $ things becomes too easy to the new players.
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Originally Posted by mattp169
What about the returner rewards which you could use very wisely?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dnx
Also that 1000 free gems, Boost XP and coins and credits and 50k rep or 20k no idea exactly how much + 10k ticket casino.. that's a nice boost.Quote:
Originally Posted by davidschlebusch_6020359
Having alts, farming them be it your own or others is a cheat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dnx
The answer is in the spirits. The labyrinth does gove very good rewards when you break 800 on hard levels of difficulty- I have seen 1000 gem prizes.
I tend to agree with Morgana but Tynon does nothing to alleviate the alts so they must think it is ok. Just like all the other exploits that Tynon allows. There is nothing anyone can do about them so live with it.
I never said it's not cheating. but since tynon doesn't do anything to this then its a trick people use to earn resources.Quote:
Originally Posted by Morgan le Fay
if its really against rules tynon would've fixed it ages ago just like Fair thingy buying chip with credits and etc in the same day they fixed it cuz its against the game rules. but farming alts its a TRICK people use to earn resources. and honestly they can't fix this. because a lot of countries have same IP.
For example i have internet from a company called Technet. there is around 2000 users in it and those 2000 users have the same IP Address which means there is no way that tynon or any other game online can find if its an alt or not . and who says they can tell em good luck with that :)
Farming alts isn't good thing cuz it makes a lot of stuff easy for you, but in tynon everyone does it and admins doesn't care about it they are just leaving it like that and u people still say its a cheat?
ITS A T R I C K! Think about it :)
Like i said this game still need years to become an organized game. not sure if it will ever become.
Out of this thread.
OK before we go any further. Having alts is a cheat. It's not a 'trick', hidden Easter egg or allowed. Well on the face of it, it seems that way but I assure you it's not. The same goes for exploits, mouse clickers or bots.
Here's an exert of the ToS.
Hopefully that'll clear up any more rumours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tynon Terms of Service
There is no Rules in this game. the game is full of cheating and Tricks, who bans ? Or Punish ? no one. All the players in whole tynon cheating who can find out about them? who can prove that they are? no one. Those Rules are posters no one cares about them cuz there is no action taken from Devs towards all those cheating.
I did say it 10 times and its gonna be said again this game needs years to become a good game. When Devs starts following their own rules then people will follow rules but those rules are just POSTERS no one believes in them cuz everyone cheating in tynon. and don't tell me no one cheats cuz we both know that everyone does :)
Sorry to burst your bubble Dnx but not everybody cheats. That is just an excuse to alleviate your guilty conscience. The old everyone does it so I can do it to syndrome. Then there is another group that thinks tynon steals from them so it is ok to steal from tynon. Unfortunately for that line of thinking, you can not own any of the virtual items in this game, So if you lose items and tynon does not respond to your tickets they are not stealing, they are just being terrible hosts.
to make a level 9 rune in temple is about 60-65m, upgrading that 9 to 10 is the same amount.Quote:
Originally Posted by mattp169
your list is wrong either way. 10-11 is stated 125 which is 2x10 according to your own list 150m and not 125m, why would they get more expensive?
excuse me?!?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by rafmeister_5440998
have you just said you are getting spirits and 1k gems on the shuffle in the lab? you are talking about tynon or another game?
What that has to do with what im talking about? who was talking about items ? or who said tynon stealing from anybody read my post well cupcake. i was talking how people using alts trick to get resources coins and credits not items.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonshadeaux_3172622
People who doesn't do it its because they never heard about it. that's why u see some people saying " We don't cheat " cuz they don't know about em. but my point was clear to everyone.
im talking how this game isn't moded in-game right. No Devs punishing cheaters Mods has no power in-game to keep the game safe from cheaters. you call this game? since when i started this game people been cheating with some tricks and no one getting punished no one can even get caught and even if they get caught tynon takes no action.
There has been tons of threads related to alts and sails and stuff how people switches maps alts.nothing has been fixed or taking care of.
So please stay in ur server and in ur world and stay away from stuff that you've never heard about em
Sorry to burst your bubble Moonshadeaux :)
Thanks
Ok I sorely DO NOT believe this whatsoever!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by rafmeister_5440998
I have NEVER seen this on my server nor has anyone else in my guild seen this... maybe I should ask some other guilds :rolleyes:
Please do me a favour and confirm this is true by taking a SCREENSHOT of this reward has an option in the shuffles :)
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Alright, so I checked with the vh from another guild and she said that when completing and hard lab the maximum gem rewards are 100 gems which I can believe .. she get scores of +700 in lab 3 hard on a regular basis and sometimes 800, 4 times I can recall .. she says there are definitely no 1000 gem rewards.
We had a player do something like this on a server we played on... he was investigated and found to be cheating. Rumor has it he started with 20k gems somehow, or had some kind of resource cheat.
5 level 12 runes in 2 weeks is doable with several hundred stone packages. Tynon could easily investigate whether he legitimately purchased the packages needed to get those runes.
I got a score of 845 in Level 3 Hard and yes there was a 100 (that is one hundred) gem stake in the roll but I missed it and got a LVL 6 chip instead
Umm... I don't think a player with under 50 million power could handle the level 3 lab's extra bosses. Kinda doubtful that is how it happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by rafmeister_5440998
And for those naysayers about the higher gem rewards, I have seen the 100 gems at the 700/800 point boss shuffles in lvl 3 easy and will take a screenshot next time I see it.
100 is pretty common but i never seen a 1k for sure...dont think i seen a lvl 6 chip either just alot of lvl 5s that always eludes me
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Originally Posted by andreasl187_6103403
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Originally Posted by Revan
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Originally Posted by davidschlebusch_6020359
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Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829
Level 2 and 3 Hard 800pt boss is the only one that gives 100 gems shuffles.Quote:
Originally Posted by rafmeister_5440998
There is no 1000 gem shuffle.
Also, I think the 100 gem shuffle is only an "imaginary" shuffle. It's there, but no one has ever won it.
Has anyone won it yet from here in the forums?