CW final??

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Originally Posted by Andy

Lets keep this discussion on topic. Real world comparisons are irreverent since this is a game and not the real world. The game is governed by the ToS and that is it. If it does not violate the ToS and it is not an exploit, it is legal.

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i agree to the bad metaphors and that we should stick to the topic but i also strongly believe it is an exploit for several reasons but the main points are:
1) blayds and flowers guild members and friends (and alts) knew how to bid to max their tickets and that is clearly an exploit
2) if communication between the finalists would have been intended they would have implemented a chat window, but i strongly believe that next to being lazy, the most important reason was so they dont fake the fights and like blayd take runes off or like flower remove the party from the formation. this is not just morally wrong but also exploiting the game.

"bad rewards" is in this case just an excuse to cover up the (mafia style?) staged fight because when we look at the bigger picture there was a lot more at stake then "just" the 2x lv7 gems

I think you need to go learn what the definition of a exploit is.
For example, Not claiming part of your sails so you can claim all on saturday for mad gems. It wasn't meant to be done that way. (That's an exploit)
Fighting in CW or GW or any other match with whatever form you desire, because its up to the player to decide how they play. ( NOT an exploit)

I got wasted by fleur in the first knockout, do i feel cheated in any way? not at all. You're only real argument is you say so many of their guildmates got tickets by knowing in advance what the outcome would be; but you have no real proof that it even happened. Also, "You know they did" isn't a valid argument, nor is proof that they conspired in that sense.
Its not an exploit, it doesn't violate ToS. You're making something out of nothing

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Originally Posted by FlandreScarlet_7896971

I think you need to go learn what the definition of a exploit is.
For example, Not claiming part of your sails so you can claim all on saturday for mad gems. It wasn't meant to be done that way. (That's an exploit)
Fighting in CW or GW or any other match with whatever form you desire, because its up to the player to decide how they play. ( NOT an exploit)

I got wasted by fleur in the first knockout, do i feel cheated in any way? not at all. You're only real argument is you say so many of their guildmates got tickets by knowing in advance what the outcome would be; but you have no real proof that it even happened. Also, "You know they did" isn't a valid argument, nor is proof that they conspired in that sense.
Its not an exploit, it doesn't violate ToS. You're making something out of nothing

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I find the definition of an exploit to be unclear as well. Clearing it wasn't meant for the players to throw their fights either and it's totally up to the player when they want to claim a reward... so your example doesn't mean anything. This is similar to powering down for HP which may or may not be an exploit.

We do know that throwing a match is not an exploit because Dawnseeker said it's not strictly cheating. But I honestly don't know what makes it different than an exploit.

My guild knew how to bid? I don't think so.

I think it's great! If somebody does it several times in a row when the new toons and rewards come out they could have an easy win since all the crowns will nerf the challengers, That's an awesome strategy. Especially if they only reset the crowns once every 20 CW's.

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Originally Posted by FlandreScarlet_7896971

Fighting in CW or GW or any other match with whatever form you desire, because its up to the player to decide how they play. ( NOT an exploit)

I got wasted by fleur in the first knockout, do i feel cheated in any way? not at all. You're only real argument is you say so many of their guildmates got tickets by knowing in advance what the outcome would be; but you have no real proof that it even happened. Also, "You know they did" isn't a valid argument, nor is proof that they conspired in that sense.
Its not an exploit, it doesn't violate ToS. You're making something out of nothing

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paraphrasing to make it sound lesser isnt the right way to go either. i dont know what your relation is to fleur but you seem to be defending him a lot. lets make this clear, once and for all. yes players can "fight" with whatever they desire, but it's not much of a "fight" if they remove all heroes and show up with nothing.
you like your metaphors, so here is one for you:
take 2 boxers, one is the undisputed heavyweight champ and the other is a 6 foot tall paperweight who gets almost knocked out the first round and then for the next 4 rounds the heavyweight holds still and doesnt swing, at all. legal or illegal?
how about a jokey who holds his horse back for the first 2 races to then win in the 3rd as the underdog on a 1:49 bet? strategy or illegal?

you can name is as you want, its still staging a fight and its not only morally wrong if players know how to place bets. you can dress it up as like and call it strategy or might as well put lipstick on a pig, its still a pig.

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Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829

paraphrasing to make it sound lesser isnt the right way to go either. i dont know what your relation is to fleur but you seem to be defending him a lot. lets make this clear, once and for all. yes players can "fight" with whatever they desire, but it's not much of a "fight" if they remove all heroes and show up with nothing.
you like your metaphors, so here is one for you:
take 2 boxers, one is the undisputed heavyweight champ and the other is a 6 foot tall paperweight who gets almost knocked out the first round and then for the next 4 rounds the heavyweight holds still and doesnt swing, at all. legal or illegal?
how about a jokey who holds his horse back for the first 2 races to then win in the 3rd as the underdog on a 1:49 bet? strategy or illegal?

you can name is as you want, its still staging a fight and its not only morally wrong if players know how to place bets. you can dress it up as like and call it strategy or might as well put lipstick on a pig, its still a pig.

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First off your boxing reference is horrible. In this situation Riot would have been the heavyweight and fleur the other so to speak though the gap isn't that large; you're saying a stronger power is giving way to the lower which is not the case here. Also you're still using real world scenarios which involve different rules and regulations. (I think we already covered why its bad to compare the two, but hey; when you do you ever listen)

You can throw your morale standards around as much as you want, but in the end. There were no rules broken; thats all that matters.

Also there is no relation to fleur and I. I would have said the same if anyone had made it that far and played however they wanted to with the match.

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Originally Posted by FlandreScarlet_7896971

First off your boxing reference is horrible. In this situation Riot would have been the heavyweight and fleur the other so to speak though the gap isn't that large; you're saying a stronger power is giving way to the lower which is not the case here. Also you're still using real world scenarios which involve different rules and regulations. (I think we already covered why its bad to compare the two, but hey; when you do you ever listen)

You can throw your morale standards around as much as you want, but in the end. There were no rules broken; thats all that matters.

Also there is no relation to fleur and I. I would have said the same if anyone had made it that far and played however they wanted to with the match.

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i wasnt saying that riot is a heavyweight or a jokey, i was was trying to explain you how the match got exploited by fleur.
you just just dont want to get it because you know its wrong but are afraid of punishment if you admit to it

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Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829

i wasnt saying that riot is a heavyweight or a jokey, i was was trying to explain you how the match got exploited by fleur.
you just just dont want to get it because you know its wrong but are afraid of punishment if you admit to it

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and you just don't get that its not an exploit, not at all now, not ever. the worst you can throw at this depends on your "morale standard" of how it went down.
I"m not afraid of punishment because it doesn't violate the ToS, which governs this game. So there never will be a punishment. The only punishment we have is to have to listen to people like you who think doing what you want with your acct is an exploit an makes whomever would partake in such a thing a cheater, a horrible person and we are prob goin to hell for it.

Side topic, but potentially a good betting idea:

It would be nice if they allowed you to bet with greater tickets being given to bet on who will win in the "beginning" of the CWF. Now that would be nice.

Plus allow for betting each round like it is now.

Giving more options and tickets to all players.

But then I can see how a person can bet on the underdog and throw the fight yielding massive tickets at the end for himself. Unless you only get the option to pick who will win, if you are not in the knockout round after the preliminaries.