CW final??

Everyone plays this game for themselves 1st their guild 2nd ! they don't care for anyone else why should they ? Also the game is designed to favour the strongest coiners so we cant really complain as we all know this

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Originally Posted by mparton_1280808

One more not very useful topaz 8 chip

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There is one chip worse than Topaz and that is Diamond. That's what I rolled for next CWF. So what do you think will happen here... :)

I hope you have better chip for next CWF

I wont be betting on you to win riot that's for sure

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Originally Posted by WickeD

I see nothing wrong in Fleur throwing the fight.

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how about exploitation, fixing fights for his guild and alts, its morally wrong, its like a casino fixing the slotmachines because the "jackpot is too low and not appealing enough"

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Originally Posted by WickeD

I see a big problem in tynon dev staff deserting the game [...] There are much bigger problems which need be addressed for which we need to cry out loud.

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agreed!

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Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829

how about exploitation, fixing fights for his guild and alts, its morally wrong, its like a casino fixing the slotmachines because the "jackpot is too low and not appealing enough"



agreed!

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Ha! thats a good one, who are you oh righteous one to determine whats morally right or wrong.
It's NOT against tynon's TOS; go push your holier than thou standards on people who give a ****

Heck, I thought it was interesting and made a ton just watching what they were doing. It is gambling after all

If you know the outcome, it is not gambling. If you intentionally throw a match that is being bet on then you are exploiting the losers. In the real world it would be classified as a fraudulent action. TOS or not, exploiting is exploiting, fraudulent actions are fraudulent actions. The good news is Tynon does not seem to care what goes on in the game so there is no possibility of anything changing.

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Originally Posted by Moonshadeaux_3172622

If you know the outcome, it is not gambling. If you intentionally throw a match that is being bet on then you are exploiting the losers. In the real world it would be classified as a fraudulent action. TOS or not, exploiting is exploiting, fraudulent actions are fraudulent actions. The good news is Tynon does not seem to care what goes on in the game so there is no possibility of anything changing.

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In the real world its also illegal to kill people which we do on the regular in this GAME.
Why do you keep making comparisons of the two when it makes no sense to do so.
At the end of the day, its whomevers acct right to do what ever they want with it, regardless of whatever morale standards you might have on how they play.
people need to stop pushing their own righteous ways on others and grow the * up. Its a game. nothing more, nothing less.

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Originally Posted by FlandreScarlet_7896971

In the real world its also illegal to kill people which we do on the regular in this GAME.
Why do you keep making comparisons of the two when it makes no sense to do so.
At the end of the day, its whomevers acct right to do what ever they want with it, regardless of whatever morale standards you might have on how they play.
people need to stop pushing their own righteous ways on others and grow the * up. Its a game. nothing more, nothing less.

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actually you are wrong here, soldiers kill people in warsituations every day and our heroes are our soldiers and at war.
therefore you are the one with the "bad comparisons".
i would like to add that when you try to insult and flame others and tell them to "grow the * up" then you would need to take a good look into the mirror first and ask yourself if its not you who is trying to force your opinion onto others.

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Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829

actually you are wrong here, soldiers kill people in warsituations every day and our heroes are our soldiers and at war.
therefore you are the one with the "bad comparisons".
i would like to add that when you try to insult and flame others and tell them to "grow the * up" then you would need to take a good look into the mirror first and ask yourself if its not you who is trying to force your opinion onto others.

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Just looked to be sure and yep, its not me who's pushing their morale standards on others; People are free to do as the wish with their acct in this game. I'm pretty sure that's what i said. sounds totally like I'm the one forcing others doesn't it... Also I wouldn't consider myself flaming since you're the one who trolls these forums more than most with your one sided views and closed minded thinking.

One fact: no one "dies" on this game, they lose. Fact two: the player in the battle decides what they do, and all we can do is make a bet based on the info we have at the moment. If you bet gems, then you risk the loss. Just a game folks.

I see people are beating this to death again...

It's certainly sad that the biggest players spent so much to be at the top just to throw a fight. One wonders why that cash went there if not to have a good fight in CWF? I honestly don't care about the tickets, but it's sad to see that this game is about being bigger instead of having a good fight for the sake of having a good fight.

Chicken Wing, I see you either didn't read my post, or didn't take any time to understand it, therefore you will never get it. Most other people did understand it . Sorry. There's really no point in trying to explain to you any further. Accept it or not, your decision, either way your opinion really makes no difference.

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Originally Posted by mparton_1280808

Do you know what colour my chips were for a win today, in the final ? No, you don't, but I do, and they were crap. ... my rewards would be what ? One more not very useful topaz 8 chip AND a permanent 5% handicap going foward ? No thank you.

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I'm sorry, I hadn't read your post. I just read it and I haven't changed my mind, although I get your point. I'm really pointing at the fact that this game is about growing instead of having fun during a fight, and your post really states that.

EDit: that being said, if this is the spirit of the game, Tynon might as well fix the rewards to allow players to choose what chips they want.

Be nice if we can pick our rewards. I don't need any more leader and Aphro cards, and would much rather get additional chips or even purple stars.

Also the chip assignments are messed up like sails, I had the same diamond chip once 3 CWF's in a row.

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Originally Posted by Riot

Be nice if we can pick our rewards. I don't need any more leader and Aphro cards, and would much rather get additional chips or even purple stars.

Also the chip assignments are messed up like sails, I had the same diamond chip once 3 CWF's in a row.

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I guess you have not come to realize that the majority of the things in this game are messed up

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Originally Posted by Riot

Be nice if we can pick our rewards. I don't need any more leader and Aphro cards, and would much rather get additional chips or even purple stars.

Also the chip assignments are messed up like sails, I had the same diamond chip once 3 CWF's in a row.

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and i was under the impression that the chips only change after you actually claimed them in the first place...

either way, it would make more sense to reward the for example top10 or top5 with a lot of tickets scaled up to first and they could pick from it whatever they want (for example 100k for #1, 50k #2, 40k #3 and so on) so that way the wealth could be spread more, the incentive to win is raised and people could actually look forward and be happy about getting 2nd, 5th place or 6th or whatever

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Originally Posted by Riot

Be nice if we can pick our rewards. I don't need any more leader and Aphro cards, and would much rather get additional chips or even purple stars.

Also the chip assignments are messed up like sails, I had the same diamond chip once 3 CWF's in a row.

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Man that really sucks, I am sorry

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Originally Posted by Moonshadeaux_3172622

If you know the outcome, it is not gambling. If you intentionally throw a match that is being bet on then you are exploiting the losers. In the real world it would be classified as a fraudulent action. TOS or not, exploiting is exploiting, fraudulent actions are fraudulent actions. The good news is Tynon does not seem to care what goes on in the game so there is no possibility of anything changing.

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Originally Posted by FlandreScarlet_7896971

In the real world its also illegal to kill people which we do on the regular in this GAME.
Why do you keep making comparisons of the two when it makes no sense to do so.
At the end of the day, its whomevers acct right to do what ever they want with it, regardless of whatever morale standards you might have on how they play.
people need to stop pushing their own righteous ways on others and grow the * up. Its a game. nothing more, nothing less.

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Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829

actually you are wrong here, soldiers kill people in warsituations every day and our heroes are our soldiers and at war.
therefore you are the one with the "bad comparisons".
i would like to add that when you try to insult and flame others and tell them to "grow the * up" then you would need to take a good look into the mirror first and ask yourself if its not you who is trying to force your opinion onto others.

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Originally Posted by FlandreScarlet_7896971

Just looked to be sure and yep, its not me who's pushing their morale standards on others; People are free to do as the wish with their acct in this game. I'm pretty sure that's what i said. sounds totally like I'm the one forcing others doesn't it... Also I wouldn't consider myself flaming since you're the one who trolls these forums more than most with your one sided views and closed minded thinking.

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Lets keep this discussion on topic. Real world comparisons are irreverent since this is a game and not the real world. The game is governed by the ToS and that is it. If it does not violate the ToS and it is not an exploit, it is legal.

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Originally Posted by Andy

Lets keep this discussion on topic. Real world comparisons are irreverent since this is a game and not the real world. The game is governed by the ToS and that is it. If it does not violate the ToS and it is not an exploit, it is legal.

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i agree to the bad metaphors and that we should stick to the topic but i also strongly believe it is an exploit for several reasons but the main points are:
1) blayds and flowers guild members and friends (and alts) knew how to bid to max their tickets and that is clearly an exploit
2) if communication between the finalists would have been intended they would have implemented a chat window, but i strongly believe that next to being lazy, the most important reason was so they dont fake the fights and like blayd take runes off or like flower remove the party from the formation. this is not just morally wrong but also exploiting the game.

"bad rewards" is in this case just an excuse to cover up the (mafia style?) staged fight because when we look at the bigger picture there was a lot more at stake then "just" the 2x lv7 gems

I think you need to go learn what the definition of a exploit is.
For example, Not claiming part of your sails so you can claim all on saturday for mad gems. It wasn't meant to be done that way. (That's an exploit)
Fighting in CW or GW or any other match with whatever form you desire, because its up to the player to decide how they play. ( NOT an exploit)

I got wasted by fleur in the first knockout, do i feel cheated in any way? not at all. You're only real argument is you say so many of their guildmates got tickets by knowing in advance what the outcome would be; but you have no real proof that it even happened. Also, "You know they did" isn't a valid argument, nor is proof that they conspired in that sense.
Its not an exploit, it doesn't violate ToS. You're making something out of nothing

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Originally Posted by FlandreScarlet_7896971

I think you need to go learn what the definition of a exploit is.
For example, Not claiming part of your sails so you can claim all on saturday for mad gems. It wasn't meant to be done that way. (That's an exploit)
Fighting in CW or GW or any other match with whatever form you desire, because its up to the player to decide how they play. ( NOT an exploit)

I got wasted by fleur in the first knockout, do i feel cheated in any way? not at all. You're only real argument is you say so many of their guildmates got tickets by knowing in advance what the outcome would be; but you have no real proof that it even happened. Also, "You know they did" isn't a valid argument, nor is proof that they conspired in that sense.
Its not an exploit, it doesn't violate ToS. You're making something out of nothing

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I find the definition of an exploit to be unclear as well. Clearing it wasn't meant for the players to throw their fights either and it's totally up to the player when they want to claim a reward... so your example doesn't mean anything. This is similar to powering down for HP which may or may not be an exploit.

We do know that throwing a match is not an exploit because Dawnseeker said it's not strictly cheating. But I honestly don't know what makes it different than an exploit.

My guild knew how to bid? I don't think so.

I think it's great! If somebody does it several times in a row when the new toons and rewards come out they could have an easy win since all the crowns will nerf the challengers, That's an awesome strategy. Especially if they only reset the crowns once every 20 CW's.

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Originally Posted by FlandreScarlet_7896971

Fighting in CW or GW or any other match with whatever form you desire, because its up to the player to decide how they play. ( NOT an exploit)

I got wasted by fleur in the first knockout, do i feel cheated in any way? not at all. You're only real argument is you say so many of their guildmates got tickets by knowing in advance what the outcome would be; but you have no real proof that it even happened. Also, "You know they did" isn't a valid argument, nor is proof that they conspired in that sense.
Its not an exploit, it doesn't violate ToS. You're making something out of nothing

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paraphrasing to make it sound lesser isnt the right way to go either. i dont know what your relation is to fleur but you seem to be defending him a lot. lets make this clear, once and for all. yes players can "fight" with whatever they desire, but it's not much of a "fight" if they remove all heroes and show up with nothing.
you like your metaphors, so here is one for you:
take 2 boxers, one is the undisputed heavyweight champ and the other is a 6 foot tall paperweight who gets almost knocked out the first round and then for the next 4 rounds the heavyweight holds still and doesnt swing, at all. legal or illegal?
how about a jokey who holds his horse back for the first 2 races to then win in the 3rd as the underdog on a 1:49 bet? strategy or illegal?

you can name is as you want, its still staging a fight and its not only morally wrong if players know how to place bets. you can dress it up as like and call it strategy or might as well put lipstick on a pig, its still a pig.

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Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829

paraphrasing to make it sound lesser isnt the right way to go either. i dont know what your relation is to fleur but you seem to be defending him a lot. lets make this clear, once and for all. yes players can "fight" with whatever they desire, but it's not much of a "fight" if they remove all heroes and show up with nothing.
you like your metaphors, so here is one for you:
take 2 boxers, one is the undisputed heavyweight champ and the other is a 6 foot tall paperweight who gets almost knocked out the first round and then for the next 4 rounds the heavyweight holds still and doesnt swing, at all. legal or illegal?
how about a jokey who holds his horse back for the first 2 races to then win in the 3rd as the underdog on a 1:49 bet? strategy or illegal?

you can name is as you want, its still staging a fight and its not only morally wrong if players know how to place bets. you can dress it up as like and call it strategy or might as well put lipstick on a pig, its still a pig.

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First off your boxing reference is horrible. In this situation Riot would have been the heavyweight and fleur the other so to speak though the gap isn't that large; you're saying a stronger power is giving way to the lower which is not the case here. Also you're still using real world scenarios which involve different rules and regulations. (I think we already covered why its bad to compare the two, but hey; when you do you ever listen)

You can throw your morale standards around as much as you want, but in the end. There were no rules broken; thats all that matters.

Also there is no relation to fleur and I. I would have said the same if anyone had made it that far and played however they wanted to with the match.

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Originally Posted by FlandreScarlet_7896971

First off your boxing reference is horrible. In this situation Riot would have been the heavyweight and fleur the other so to speak though the gap isn't that large; you're saying a stronger power is giving way to the lower which is not the case here. Also you're still using real world scenarios which involve different rules and regulations. (I think we already covered why its bad to compare the two, but hey; when you do you ever listen)

You can throw your morale standards around as much as you want, but in the end. There were no rules broken; thats all that matters.

Also there is no relation to fleur and I. I would have said the same if anyone had made it that far and played however they wanted to with the match.

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i wasnt saying that riot is a heavyweight or a jokey, i was was trying to explain you how the match got exploited by fleur.
you just just dont want to get it because you know its wrong but are afraid of punishment if you admit to it

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Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829

i wasnt saying that riot is a heavyweight or a jokey, i was was trying to explain you how the match got exploited by fleur.
you just just dont want to get it because you know its wrong but are afraid of punishment if you admit to it

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and you just don't get that its not an exploit, not at all now, not ever. the worst you can throw at this depends on your "morale standard" of how it went down.
I"m not afraid of punishment because it doesn't violate the ToS, which governs this game. So there never will be a punishment. The only punishment we have is to have to listen to people like you who think doing what you want with your acct is an exploit an makes whomever would partake in such a thing a cheater, a horrible person and we are prob goin to hell for it.

Side topic, but potentially a good betting idea:

It would be nice if they allowed you to bet with greater tickets being given to bet on who will win in the "beginning" of the CWF. Now that would be nice.

Plus allow for betting each round like it is now.

Giving more options and tickets to all players.

But then I can see how a person can bet on the underdog and throw the fight yielding massive tickets at the end for himself. Unless you only get the option to pick who will win, if you are not in the knockout round after the preliminaries.

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Originally Posted by FlandreScarlet_7896971

and you just don't get that its not an exploit, not at all now, not ever. the worst you can throw at this depends on your "morale standard" of how it went down.
I"m not afraid of punishment because it doesn't violate the ToS, which governs this game. So there never will be a punishment. The only punishment we have is to have to listen to people like you who think doing what you want with your acct is an exploit an makes whomever would partake in such a thing a cheater, a horrible person and we are prob goin to hell for it.

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you are doing it again and paraphrasing to make it sound lesser and twisting words by taking them out of context!
the actual quote was:

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Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829

[...]you can name is as you want, its still staging a fight and its not only morally wrong if players know how to place bets. you can dress it up as like and call it strategy or might as well put lipstick on a pig, its still a pig.

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now that being said, the TOS reads:
CHEATS AND HACKS - You agree that you will not, under any circumstances: d. Use cheats, exploits, automation software, bots, hacks[...]

definition of an exploit according to mirriam-webster:
ex·ploit verb \ik-ˈsplȯit, ˈek-ˌ\
: to get value or use from (something)

: to use (someone or something) in a way that helps you unfairly

now you tell us exactly how it is NOT an exploit if their guilds and alts knew how to place the bets during the matches

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Originally Posted by Riot

Side topic, but potentially a good betting idea:

It would be nice if they allowed you to bet with greater tickets being given to bet on who will win in the "beginning" of the CWF. Now that would be nice.

Plus allow for betting each round like it is now.

Giving more options and tickets to all players.

But then I can see how a person can bet on the underdog and throw the fight yielding massive tickets at the end for himself. Unless you only get the option to pick who will win, if you are not in the knockout round after the preliminaries.

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I'd still say toss all the betting. Make everything like the preliminaries but longer. Let's everyone fight each round, and no one will care who throws which fights.

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Originally Posted by FlandreScarlet_7896971

I think you need to go learn what the definition of a exploit is.

Its not an exploit, it doesn't violate ToS. You're making something out of nothing

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Exploits by their definition are difficult to explain. One man's exploit is another man's trick. However you are right in this case uCool don't consider 'match fixing' as a illegal (as far as I know currently).

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Originally Posted by Wikipedia

Whether an exploit is considered a cheat, or all exploits are cheats, is a matter of widespread debate that varies between genres, games, and other factors. The distinction is important as it decides how the developers and community responds to the issue and to the players who exploit the issue. On the one hand exploits can be considered illegitimate cheats that the developers should address and exploiters should be banned, while on the other hand exploits can be considered simply part of the game.

Arguments in favor of the cheating view involve the spirit of the game and the potentially damaging effects of the exploit on the game's community.[3][4] While the rules or game code may not explicitly disallow a specific exploit, it may be seen that using that exploit goes against the spirit of the game.[3] The potential damage of an exploit on a game has been described by an online community manager as "devastating".[4]

In defense of these behaviors are arguments that the rules of the game allow it and that players might not know they are behaving against the designer's intention.[5][6] So-called exploits, in this view, are not cheats because they do not change the game in any way and therefore could be accessible to all players if they know how to do it.[2] The players who use such techniques may consider them fair for use in the game in cases when they are not explicitly disallowed in the Terms of Service or other such rules governing participation.[5]

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NB Wikipedia is not the most reliable source for information since it can be edited by anyone. However I thought this quote explained exploits and what is legal or not quite eloquently.

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Originally Posted by g346007_1906957

I find the definition of an exploit to be unclear as well. Clearing it wasn't meant for the players to throw their fights either and it's totally up to the player when they want to claim a reward... so your example doesn't mean anything. This is similar to powering down for HP which may or may not be an exploit.

We do know that throwing a match is not an exploit because Dawnseeker said it's not strictly cheating. But I honestly don't know what makes it different than an exploit.

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I'll simplify this; uCool consider any manipulation of the game's coding to gain an advantage as an exploit. No one really gains much from fixing a CWF or dare I say it Heaven's Palace.

The only argument you can say against it, is that it isn't in 'spirit of the game' or the player has a south facing morale compass. Whatever, most really don't care much since it's unlikely they'll be in a position to 'throw' a final.

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Originally Posted by g346007_1906957

I'd still say toss all the betting. Make everything like the preliminaries but longer. Let's everyone fight each round, and no one will care who throws which fights.

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I like this idea too. Just let everyone fight everyone, and one with the most wins take first, second, etc...

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Originally Posted by Riot

I like this idea too. Just let everyone fight everyone, and one with the most wins take first, second, etc...

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What about if 1st 2nd and 3rd have same amount of wins/points at the end?
I got the answer but want to see if you all know?

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Originally Posted by Morgan le Fay

Exploits by their definition are difficult to explain. One man's exploit is another man's trick. However you are right in this case uCool don't consider 'match fixing' as a illegal (as far as I know currently).

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and unfortunately that is exactly why they do it because they know that ucool doesnt care about cheaters, exploits, multiple accounts, etc ... i would even bet that is some that actually have some hack going to get more coins, better items, etc, but again it would be up to ucool to research, detect, prove and punish it




ps@morgan: i looked at wiki first but noticed the description that you quoted as well but didnt post it because its not a definition (as in the undisputed mirriam-webster) but is more a description with multiple authors and "ongoing" discussions.

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Originally Posted by Riot

My guild knew how to bid? I don't think so.

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I had no contact with Blayd before, during or after CW.

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Originally Posted by davidschlebusch_6020359

What about if 1st 2nd and 3rd have same amount of wins/points at the end?
I got the answer but want to see if you all know?

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In chess sometimes they do a computer tie break, which basically looks at the strengths of their opponents to evaluate who preformed best.

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Originally Posted by g346007_1906957

In chess sometimes they do a computer tie break, which basically looks at the strengths of their opponents to evaluate who preformed best.

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Yes, so basically 1st place goes to the person who dealt the most damage on their opponent and so on

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Originally Posted by davidschlebusch_6020359

Yes, so basically 1st place goes to the person who dealt the most damage on their opponent and so on

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Or we can have a final round to 7 or something if there is a tie.