A Sailing Idea to Stop the Passing of Maps

Wait ................. Limit sinks and steals. BAD BAD BAD IDEA

Let me tell you a good thing about passing maps and sinking people. When you have one group on the server bullying another group, a third group can then sink the 1st group non stop until the first group relent and stops their bullying ways.

Sometimes the third group could be maybe 2 or 3 players powerful enough to sink the entire 1st group with a bunch of smaller players who cant sink the first group but can take the maps off the larger players so they can continue to sink.

There's 2 sides to every coin.

With a 10 pvp limit
people never going in HR or wilds or so rarely you cant find them.
Pirates is the only true PvP area left for some servers.

Limiting it sounds really bad for some servers. Might be nice for some other servers, at least for a time.

How about this, the sailed map is stolen. The person with the non sailed map retains the map.

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Originally Posted by mattp169

[...]Let me tell you a good thing about passing maps and sinking people. When you have one group on the server bullying another group, a third group can then sink the 1st group non stop until the first group relent and stops their bullying ways.
Sometimes the third group could be maybe 2 or 3 players powerful enough to sink the entire 1st group with a bunch of smaller players who cant sink the first group but can take the maps off the larger players so they can continue to sink.
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would be nice to be on a server where there is more than one "group", other than on ours where there is one group and a few scattered groups with 2-5 members. dont forget that you are on one of the top populated servers.

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Originally Posted by mattp169

[...]With a 10 pvp limit
people never going in HR or wilds or so rarely you cant find them.
Pirates is the only true PvP area left for some servers.[...]

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this is so true and unfortunately applies to older just as to younger servers

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Originally Posted by mattp169

[...]How about this, the sailed map is stolen. The person with the non sailed map retains the map.[...]

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i love this idea, its been suggested before but its one of the good ideas that ucool decided to completely ignore...

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Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829

i beg to differ and if i may remind you that they increased the sails from 3 to 4 and daily maps to claim from 1 to 3, so the lower players get more chances to sail. maybe cutting it in half isnt the best solution but to maybe raise available maps to 5 and leave the sails at 4... let maps stack instead of exchanging them and/or let the players decide which map to choose to sail with... etc
there is so many better solutions to this than limiting the game even further.... think expanding

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You said yourself you get 1-3 free maps a day. There is no real need to sink anyone but it happens.

Cutting it to two sink/steals a day is a viable solution. Stops the need for alts and the map swapping to sink others out of spite. If you think it's unfair than blame the multi accounters. They've started this and therefore we wouldn't have needed solutions to a problem we shouldn't have.

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Originally Posted by Morgan le Fay

You said yourself you get 1-3 free maps a day. There is no real need to sink anyone but it happens.

Cutting it to two sink/steals a day is a viable solution. Stops the need for alts and the map swapping to sink others out of spite. If you think it's unfair than blame the multi accounters. They've started this and therefore we wouldn't have needed solutions to a problem we shouldn't have.

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BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!

This ISSUE that some servers have is not because of alts. Its just one way to play this game. If the alts didnt exist there would be more people on a server and therefor the problem would happen with real players and not alts.

The game is designed to sink and pass. its suppose to work this way. Just like banish and HR are deisigned to be pvp areas. Just because we as players dont like it doesnt mean it needs fixed

The alts are not to blame, the game design and people being competitive and bored with lack of content are to blame

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Originally Posted by Morgan le Fay

You said yourself you get 1-3 free maps a day. There is no real need to sink anyone but it happens.

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wrong again, i pointed out that the free map count was raised from 1 to 3, meaning everyone gets 3 free maps per day. so the game is actually designed to make you steal/plunder a map to do your 4th sail or try to squeeze it out of a guild chest.
therefore raising the free map count to 5 (1 of each 4 daily chests + 1 guild) would make it less interesting to steal maps.


ps: the available points from the dailies chests where raised from 100 to 130 to compensate for players getting sunk and not being able to claim the missing points from sailing/GW/banish

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Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829

wrong again, i pointed out that the free map count was raised from 1 to 3, meaning everyone gets 3 free maps per day. so the game is actually designed to make you steal/plunder a map to do your 4th sail or try to squeeze it out of a guild chest.
therefore raising the free map count to 5 (1 of each 4 daily chests + 1 guild) would make it less interesting to steal maps.


ps: the available points from the dailies chests where raised from 100 to 130 to compensate for players getting sunk and not being able to claim the missing points from sailing/GW/banish

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And its is. What I'm against is multiple map passing and sinking. You seem fixated on 4 sails a day and not to what myself and the OP is trying to explain. By limiting it to 2 sinks/steals you can still obtain your 4th map and redeem your other 3 maps throughout the day, can't you. If my math is correct that's 4 sails a day.

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Originally Posted by mattp169

The game is designed to sink and pass. its suppose to work this way. Just like banish and HR are deisigned to be pvp areas. Just because we as players dont like it doesnt mean it needs fixed

The alts are not to blame, the game design and people being competitive and bored with lack of content are to blame

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No. You are supposed to sink then sail, not pass it to another player or alt. If you think alts aren't damaging the game you need to take a good long look.

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Originally Posted by Morgan le Fay

And its is. What I'm against is multiple map passing and sinking. You seem fixated on 4 sails a day and not to what myself and the OP is trying to explain. By limiting it to 2 sinks/steals you can still obtain your 4th map and redeem your other 3 maps throughout the day, can't you. If my math is correct that's 4 sails a day.



No. You are supposed to sink then sail, not pass it to another player or alt. If you think alts aren't damaging the game you need to take a good long look.

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ALts are not really damaging the game. Its a matter of perspective. They basically are speeding people up towards the glass ceiling thats all

And lets look at how this works with out alts
Player A and his guild is bullying a ghroup of players in some way
Player A sails
I sink them
I power down give the map to someone in another guild who is being bullied by player a's guild
This person then gets tha map stolen by a player in Player A's guild
this person then sails
I sink again

Rinse wash repeat.

Nothing wrong with that. Nothing against TOS in that. No alts involved. This isnt really an alt issue. yes the alts make it easier to do what I said. but the alts arent needed

The alts are only there because:
The game was poorly planned
there is no new content in over 6 months
alts are part of all F2P
and because there is a lack of mergers

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Originally Posted by Morgan le Fay

And its is. What I'm against is multiple map passing and sinking. You seem fixated on 4 sails a day and not to what myself and the OP is trying to explain. By limiting it to 2 sinks/steals you can still obtain your 4th map and redeem your other 3 maps throughout the day, can't you. If my math is correct that's 4 sails a day.

No. You are supposed to sink then sail, not pass it to another player or alt. If you think alts aren't damaging the game you need to take a good long look.

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no, i am focused on how to explain to the frustrated OP that the sailing is working as intended and that there is not really a problem and tried to provide a solution to the made up problem and am trying to work with the other posters on how to "fix" it. i still like to emphasize that cutting the sails in half is a bad idea for other reasons than there was mentioned as well, like for example if players can only sail twice it will be even more significant to get your 2 only sails in.
at this point i do like to point out that in my mind the recent changes done regarding the sailing where just fine and spot on. no further changes needed and the developers should have not to focus on this anymore unless the bugs it comes with that lead to the recent exploits (you know what i am talking about)

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Originally Posted by mattp169

The alts are only there because:
The game was poorly planned
there is no new content in over 6 months
alts are part of all F2P
and because there is a lack of mergers

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... and that bully feels lonely and got no friends to sail with lol ;)

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Originally Posted by mattp169

ALts are not really damaging the game. Its a matter of perspective. They basically are speeding people up towards the glass ceiling thats all

And lets look at how this works with out alts
Player A and his guild is bullying a ghroup of players in some way
Player A sails
I sink them
I power down give the map to someone in another guild who is being bullied by player a's guild
This person then gets tha map stolen by a player in Player A's guild
this person then sails
I sink again

Rinse wash repeat.

Nothing wrong with that. Nothing against TOS in that. No alts involved. This isnt really an alt issue. yes the alts make it easier to do what I said. but the alts arent needed

The alts are only there because:
The game was poorly planned
there is no new content in over 6 months
alts are part of all F2P
and because there is a lack of mergers

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This isn't an Utopian game, Matt.

Alts are made to farm resources off, GWs and to retrieve/pass maps too. If you can't see the damage caused by alts then there is no point arguing with you. Yes they will occur in all F2P games but they need to also curbed.

You might be a knight in shining armour but the vast majority don't notice or don't want their guild to be targeted too. Sorry not all servers are like server 1.