A Sailing Idea to Stop the Passing of Maps

Passing of the map to endlessly sink people on the sea is a form of bullying in my opinion. It's against the TOS (alts interaction) and it's freaking annoying, lol :p

So here is an idea that would stop it in most cases. What would happen if you had to sail with the power that your ranking dictates? It only makes sense because when you want to sail, you want to cross. Why would you want to be any less powerful than you can be? The only reason the power down on the seas, would be to pass a map.

Come on Tynon! Stop the bullies of the seas! If you aren't going to deal with the alts (which honestly would be too difficult), at least make it so they can't be used as easily. Please? :o

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Originally Posted by NyxHunter

Passing of the map to endlessly sink people on the sea is a form of bullying in my opinion. It's against the TOS (alts interaction) and it's freaking annoying, lol :p

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I've done it before, and it was fun. You don't need an alt to do this, you can have a friend in another realm/guild take maps from you. It isn't necessarily against the TOS.

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Originally Posted by NyxHunter

Passing of the map to endlessly sink people on the sea is a form of bullying in my opinion. It's against the TOS (alts interaction) and it's freaking annoying, lol :p

So here is an idea that would stop it in most cases. What would happen if you had to sail with the power that your ranking dictates? It only makes sense because when you want to sail, you want to cross. Why would you want to be any less powerful than you can be? The only reason the power down on the seas, would be to pass a map.

Come on Tynon! Stop the bullies of the seas! If you aren't going to deal with the alts (which honestly would be too difficult), at least make it so they can't be used as easily. Please? :o

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I would only be able to sail in a hybrid between my main and banish formation then... higher power doesn't really mean stronger. It would also be a huge pain to figure out which formation you are allowed to use when it's halfway between switches.

Perhaps limit people to two sink/steals a day?

Allowing us to NOT rob other people maps is kind of defeating the purpose of the whole thing
As g34 said, limiting 50% of the sails may work

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Originally Posted by g346007_1906957

I would only be able to sail in a hybrid between my main and banish formation then... higher power doesn't really mean stronger. It would also be a huge pain to figure out which formation you are allowed to use when it's halfway between switches.

Perhaps limit people to two sink/steals a day?

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i think what he meant was that players have to sail with other players of similar power?
only problem is that the top players would never sail, like i for example have double the power of our currently ranked #2 and then there is also the fact that between our #1 and our #12 (first page in ranking) are 400m power difference.
also, i see powering down to loose maps to other players, provoke revenges, etc as a part of the tactics in this game and it would be just boring without it. that being said when your server advanced like ours, usually most players migrated into the same guild, have all the cities and nothing else to do. this is due to ucool neglecting this game and could be fixed by repopulating/merging the servers.
that being said, i would like to point out that "bullies" in the game are inevitable since its a wargame and players worked hard (or paid a lot) to be dominant in the game and want to exercise that power. so the "bullies" are not really bullies but in most cases players who enjoy the game. they often picked enemies and are at war with them.
i think the water part is working fine and as intended and priorities should be put on fixing the exploits and bugs that are currently going on so certain players dont have those unfair advantages anymore.




EDIT PS: powering down to steal maps with your own alts is against the TOS and should be documented and reported via support

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Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829

this is due to ucool neglecting this game and could be fixed by repopulating/merging the servers.
priorities should be put on fixing the exploits and bugs that are currently going on so certain players dont have those unfair advantages anymore.

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I agree Kaisim & pirates does not have greatest of rewards to really warrant changing the system. Instead of getting 10 gems on Saturdays for sailing at the finish they give us 5 to sail and 5 to finish (plus buffs). There will be more lag time in-between updates/patches to allow players to narrow the gap of coiners/non-coiners.

..going slightly off subject, if Tynon were to open 2 servers in the same time zone on the same day, this would allow an opportunity for future server merges that would be more balanced and rejuvenate the game. Seasonal server merges should be a regular thing (:

I am saying you sail with your power on the rankings board in your best set up. That doesn't change who you sail with. This would make it nearly impossible to have a weaker profile rob your map on shore.

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Originally Posted by NyxHunter

I am saying you sail with your power on the rankings board in your best set up. That doesn't change who you sail with. This would make it nearly impossible to have a weaker profile rob your map on shore.

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actually my best form (daily pvp/rag/GW) and my highest power form have over 200m difference (260/490m), what would you do about that?
honestly it doesnt seem appealing to me. this is another one of those things where players try to find a solution to the personalized problem on the server by generalizing it and assuming everyone is effected. you need to understand that the game is designed that way, its for fun.
as much as i agree to players shouldnt be trading maps to alts (simply because you cant have alts) doesnt mean that i disagree to powering down. in the past that was the best way to get our wildfights.

if you'd ask how to fix the "problem" then, i'd suggest to watch the coast, wait for him to power down and then revenge him. the gain in coins should be nice for you... ofc its just a temp fix until he spends his coins first and then powers down after...

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Originally Posted by g346007_1906957

Perhaps limit people to two sink/steals a day?

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^^ Probably the best the solution. It'll limit 'map swapping' but not take away all of the fun. To be honest the alt thing has gotten out of control. Yes it's expected as with all F2P MMO's but there should be some kind of penalty there to prevent this kind of bullying. I'm tired of seeing this happening and people complaining about it on the forum.

It's only a game at the end of the day yet a small number of big players with a 'god complex' think it's ok to pick on a small one because of some minor offence to their 'delicate' disposition. Then call it 'part of the game'. It isn't.

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Originally Posted by Morgan le Fay

^^ Probably the best the solution. It'll limit 'map swapping' but not take away all of the fun.

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i beg to differ and if i may remind you that they increased the sails from 3 to 4 and daily maps to claim from 1 to 3, so the lower players get more chances to sail. maybe cutting it in half isnt the best solution but to maybe raise available maps to 5 and leave the sails at 4... let maps stack instead of exchanging them and/or let the players decide which map to choose to sail with... etc
there is so many better solutions to this than limiting the game even further.... think expanding

Wait ................. Limit sinks and steals. BAD BAD BAD IDEA

Let me tell you a good thing about passing maps and sinking people. When you have one group on the server bullying another group, a third group can then sink the 1st group non stop until the first group relent and stops their bullying ways.

Sometimes the third group could be maybe 2 or 3 players powerful enough to sink the entire 1st group with a bunch of smaller players who cant sink the first group but can take the maps off the larger players so they can continue to sink.

There's 2 sides to every coin.

With a 10 pvp limit
people never going in HR or wilds or so rarely you cant find them.
Pirates is the only true PvP area left for some servers.

Limiting it sounds really bad for some servers. Might be nice for some other servers, at least for a time.

How about this, the sailed map is stolen. The person with the non sailed map retains the map.

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Originally Posted by mattp169

[...]Let me tell you a good thing about passing maps and sinking people. When you have one group on the server bullying another group, a third group can then sink the 1st group non stop until the first group relent and stops their bullying ways.
Sometimes the third group could be maybe 2 or 3 players powerful enough to sink the entire 1st group with a bunch of smaller players who cant sink the first group but can take the maps off the larger players so they can continue to sink.
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would be nice to be on a server where there is more than one "group", other than on ours where there is one group and a few scattered groups with 2-5 members. dont forget that you are on one of the top populated servers.

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Originally Posted by mattp169

[...]With a 10 pvp limit
people never going in HR or wilds or so rarely you cant find them.
Pirates is the only true PvP area left for some servers.[...]

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this is so true and unfortunately applies to older just as to younger servers

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Originally Posted by mattp169

[...]How about this, the sailed map is stolen. The person with the non sailed map retains the map.[...]

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i love this idea, its been suggested before but its one of the good ideas that ucool decided to completely ignore...

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Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829

i beg to differ and if i may remind you that they increased the sails from 3 to 4 and daily maps to claim from 1 to 3, so the lower players get more chances to sail. maybe cutting it in half isnt the best solution but to maybe raise available maps to 5 and leave the sails at 4... let maps stack instead of exchanging them and/or let the players decide which map to choose to sail with... etc
there is so many better solutions to this than limiting the game even further.... think expanding

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You said yourself you get 1-3 free maps a day. There is no real need to sink anyone but it happens.

Cutting it to two sink/steals a day is a viable solution. Stops the need for alts and the map swapping to sink others out of spite. If you think it's unfair than blame the multi accounters. They've started this and therefore we wouldn't have needed solutions to a problem we shouldn't have.

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Originally Posted by Morgan le Fay

You said yourself you get 1-3 free maps a day. There is no real need to sink anyone but it happens.

Cutting it to two sink/steals a day is a viable solution. Stops the need for alts and the map swapping to sink others out of spite. If you think it's unfair than blame the multi accounters. They've started this and therefore we wouldn't have needed solutions to a problem we shouldn't have.

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BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!

This ISSUE that some servers have is not because of alts. Its just one way to play this game. If the alts didnt exist there would be more people on a server and therefor the problem would happen with real players and not alts.

The game is designed to sink and pass. its suppose to work this way. Just like banish and HR are deisigned to be pvp areas. Just because we as players dont like it doesnt mean it needs fixed

The alts are not to blame, the game design and people being competitive and bored with lack of content are to blame

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Originally Posted by Morgan le Fay

You said yourself you get 1-3 free maps a day. There is no real need to sink anyone but it happens.

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wrong again, i pointed out that the free map count was raised from 1 to 3, meaning everyone gets 3 free maps per day. so the game is actually designed to make you steal/plunder a map to do your 4th sail or try to squeeze it out of a guild chest.
therefore raising the free map count to 5 (1 of each 4 daily chests + 1 guild) would make it less interesting to steal maps.


ps: the available points from the dailies chests where raised from 100 to 130 to compensate for players getting sunk and not being able to claim the missing points from sailing/GW/banish

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Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829

wrong again, i pointed out that the free map count was raised from 1 to 3, meaning everyone gets 3 free maps per day. so the game is actually designed to make you steal/plunder a map to do your 4th sail or try to squeeze it out of a guild chest.
therefore raising the free map count to 5 (1 of each 4 daily chests + 1 guild) would make it less interesting to steal maps.


ps: the available points from the dailies chests where raised from 100 to 130 to compensate for players getting sunk and not being able to claim the missing points from sailing/GW/banish

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And its is. What I'm against is multiple map passing and sinking. You seem fixated on 4 sails a day and not to what myself and the OP is trying to explain. By limiting it to 2 sinks/steals you can still obtain your 4th map and redeem your other 3 maps throughout the day, can't you. If my math is correct that's 4 sails a day.

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Originally Posted by mattp169

The game is designed to sink and pass. its suppose to work this way. Just like banish and HR are deisigned to be pvp areas. Just because we as players dont like it doesnt mean it needs fixed

The alts are not to blame, the game design and people being competitive and bored with lack of content are to blame

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No. You are supposed to sink then sail, not pass it to another player or alt. If you think alts aren't damaging the game you need to take a good long look.

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Originally Posted by Morgan le Fay

And its is. What I'm against is multiple map passing and sinking. You seem fixated on 4 sails a day and not to what myself and the OP is trying to explain. By limiting it to 2 sinks/steals you can still obtain your 4th map and redeem your other 3 maps throughout the day, can't you. If my math is correct that's 4 sails a day.



No. You are supposed to sink then sail, not pass it to another player or alt. If you think alts aren't damaging the game you need to take a good long look.

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ALts are not really damaging the game. Its a matter of perspective. They basically are speeding people up towards the glass ceiling thats all

And lets look at how this works with out alts
Player A and his guild is bullying a ghroup of players in some way
Player A sails
I sink them
I power down give the map to someone in another guild who is being bullied by player a's guild
This person then gets tha map stolen by a player in Player A's guild
this person then sails
I sink again

Rinse wash repeat.

Nothing wrong with that. Nothing against TOS in that. No alts involved. This isnt really an alt issue. yes the alts make it easier to do what I said. but the alts arent needed

The alts are only there because:
The game was poorly planned
there is no new content in over 6 months
alts are part of all F2P
and because there is a lack of mergers

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Originally Posted by Morgan le Fay

And its is. What I'm against is multiple map passing and sinking. You seem fixated on 4 sails a day and not to what myself and the OP is trying to explain. By limiting it to 2 sinks/steals you can still obtain your 4th map and redeem your other 3 maps throughout the day, can't you. If my math is correct that's 4 sails a day.

No. You are supposed to sink then sail, not pass it to another player or alt. If you think alts aren't damaging the game you need to take a good long look.

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no, i am focused on how to explain to the frustrated OP that the sailing is working as intended and that there is not really a problem and tried to provide a solution to the made up problem and am trying to work with the other posters on how to "fix" it. i still like to emphasize that cutting the sails in half is a bad idea for other reasons than there was mentioned as well, like for example if players can only sail twice it will be even more significant to get your 2 only sails in.
at this point i do like to point out that in my mind the recent changes done regarding the sailing where just fine and spot on. no further changes needed and the developers should have not to focus on this anymore unless the bugs it comes with that lead to the recent exploits (you know what i am talking about)

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Originally Posted by mattp169

The alts are only there because:
The game was poorly planned
there is no new content in over 6 months
alts are part of all F2P
and because there is a lack of mergers

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... and that bully feels lonely and got no friends to sail with lol ;)

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Originally Posted by mattp169

ALts are not really damaging the game. Its a matter of perspective. They basically are speeding people up towards the glass ceiling thats all

And lets look at how this works with out alts
Player A and his guild is bullying a ghroup of players in some way
Player A sails
I sink them
I power down give the map to someone in another guild who is being bullied by player a's guild
This person then gets tha map stolen by a player in Player A's guild
this person then sails
I sink again

Rinse wash repeat.

Nothing wrong with that. Nothing against TOS in that. No alts involved. This isnt really an alt issue. yes the alts make it easier to do what I said. but the alts arent needed

The alts are only there because:
The game was poorly planned
there is no new content in over 6 months
alts are part of all F2P
and because there is a lack of mergers

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This isn't an Utopian game, Matt.

Alts are made to farm resources off, GWs and to retrieve/pass maps too. If you can't see the damage caused by alts then there is no point arguing with you. Yes they will occur in all F2P games but they need to also curbed.

You might be a knight in shining armour but the vast majority don't notice or don't want their guild to be targeted too. Sorry not all servers are like server 1.

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Originally Posted by Morgan le Fay

This isn't an Utopian game, Matt.

Alts are made to farm resources off, GWs and to retrieve/pass maps too. If you can't see the damage caused by alts then there is no point arguing with you. Yes they will occur in all F2P games but they need to also curbed.

You might be a knight in shining armour but the vast majority don't notice or don't want their guild to be targeted too. Sorry not all servers are like server 1.

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Look I aint stupid, I know how many alts there ar eon the servers. same way evony was. alts dont bother me at all. They are not the reason anything happens in this game except hitting the glass ceiling faster. I know what you can do with alts. But the reason things happen is not BECAUSE of alts. Curbing them, doing away with them, or doing anything about it is not going to really change anything.

People will find a way to annoy other people in any game where there is PvP with or without alts.

But you are right not all servers can be server 1. There can only be one best and server 1 is the best

HEHE what is so funny is Nyxhunter and her guild is getting ganged up on because her husband has been trying to bully people. Now she cries, yet her husband is doing the same thing. Too Funny. I will have to network so I can get more people to snag my maps. Karma sucks Nyx.

Lol! You are a crybaby that hates being hit in the arena. He stole a chest from you after GW and you started a war on our guild. If you had any respect or cared one bit about your guild, you would of taken it out on him instead of dragging our guilds into it.

Your guild has been bullying the Bards for months! I'll be damned if I'm going to let you do the same thing to us. We aren't going to stop until you do. The only karma here is what you guys are getting. And you crying here only proves we are getting to you ;)

I am sorry I didn't mean to hit a nerve, does somebody need a hug?

Huh? ....no thank you :confused:

But I definitely think you need a box of tissues.

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Originally Posted by Morgan le Fay

You said yourself you get 1-3 free maps a day. There is no real need to sink anyone but it happens.

Cutting it to two sink/steals a day is a viable solution. Stops the need for alts and the map swapping to sink others out of spite. If you think it's unfair than blame the multi accounters. They've started this and therefore we wouldn't have needed solutions to a problem we shouldn't have.

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Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829

wrong again, i pointed out that the free map count was raised from 1 to 3, meaning everyone gets 3 free maps per day. so the game is actually designed to make you steal/plunder a map to do your 4th sail or try to squeeze it out of a guild chest.
therefore raising the free map count to 5 (1 of each 4 daily chests + 1 guild) would make it less interesting to steal maps.


ps: the available points from the dailies chests where raised from 100 to 130 to compensate for players getting sunk and not being able to claim the missing points from sailing/GW/banish

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Originally Posted by Morgan le Fay

And its is. What I'm against is multiple map passing and sinking. You seem fixated on 4 sails a day and not to what myself and the OP is trying to explain. By limiting it to 2 sinks/steals you can still obtain your 4th map and redeem your other 3 maps throughout the day, can't you. If my math is correct that's 4 sails a day.



No. You are supposed to sink then sail, not pass it to another player or alt. If you think alts aren't damaging the game you need to take a good long look.

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Yeah everyone has great ideas, only problem is in our server is the uber guild, who seem to think that actually claiming the free sails is a bad idea!
So between the whole guild they can potentially sink 36 other sailors per day. Which they do seem to attempt!

Which they then pass off to their alts, of which they have combined approximate total of
83 alts over 5 alt guilds. (this is the number of alt guilds that we know of)

All reported, with tickets, blah, blah blah.
And the reply???
It is all part of the game and you need to be prepared...TOS, more like B/S

p.s I am a grand total of 3,158,698 in power, and am regularly sunk by somebody with OVER 900,000,000 in power....
maybe I am a threat to them??? SMH

I agree with placing the form from the Rankings is not a good idea at all.

I agree with Matt and also feel the more you regulate, the less fun you have. Our sever currently has a no hit truce on for sailing. Anything on shore is fair game. Yet as taniwha said, we still have a few members several hundred million in power sinking ships with combined powers of less than half a mil. That is when we step in and police the seas ourselves. We sink those players every sail and pass those maps to small players that are not powerful enough to steal a map to get their 4th sail. The same goes for the guild we have always declaring WAR on someone. With being limited to 10 pvp fights, the sea is the only place to settle a battle of sorts. You pound them every sail possible, all day every day until they play nice again. Can't we all just get along.......

Wait, what? Pvp fights are limited to 10?
Morgan is spot on.
Speaking of god complex...did u guys notice both examples of why passing maps is good was in the name of Justice...dealt out by only a few who decided what it should be.
It's not a big issue on my main server. Someone did it for awhile, and got destroyed. It is, however, an issue. If one of our big dogs went rogue and started doing this...well, nobody would be safe. They don't, and most likely won't.
Stating that alts are a norm in ftp...this is the first game that I've seen them in...at least like this...we had a player with 4 alt guilds. Not in our guild, on our server. I never got that. The time it took to run 4 other guilds...dude coulda got a job, coined, n saved time and money. Some people will step over a dollar to pick up a nickel. Others are so close-minded they can't see logic and reason.

If you can't get your point across by sinking 4 ships/day, then you can't get your point across.

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Originally Posted by vandekop_693725

Wait, what? Pvp fights are limited to 10?
Morgan is spot on.
Speaking of god complex...did u guys notice both examples of why passing maps is good was in the name of Justice...dealt out by only a few who decided what it should be.
It's not a big issue on my main server. Someone did it for awhile, and got destroyed. It is, however, an issue. If one of our big dogs went rogue and started doing this...well, nobody would be safe. They don't, and most likely won't.
Stating that alts are a norm in ftp...this is the first game that I've seen them in...at least like this...we had a player with 4 alt guilds. Not in our guild, on our server. I never got that. The time it took to run 4 other guilds...dude coulda got a job, coined, n saved time and money. Some people will step over a dollar to pick up a nickel. Others are so close-minded they can't see logic and reason.

If you can't get your point across by sinking 4 ships/day, then you can't get your point across.

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Some people have seen that spending real money on a game as not a wise way to spend. Therefore they have supplemented by using alts. It is not a bad strategy, even if not allowed. I think part of the problem is the game doesn't provide enough to grow accts on without doing something and a lot of people just won't spend their life savings on it. Perhaps the greed Tynon has here for gems is in a funny way their own undoing.

If they overregulate any more I would have to declare this game neither free nor a wargame. It would be an event game, very limited at that. I still think that robbing maps and sinking IS the intention of Tynon on Pirates, as stated in the instruction on the right side of the screen. therefore not against TOS.

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Originally Posted by MisChief

Some people have seen that spending real money on a game as not a wise way to spend. Therefore they have supplemented by using alts. It is not a bad strategy, even if not allowed. I think part of the problem is the game doesn't provide enough to grow accts on without doing something and a lot of people just won't spend their life savings on it. Perhaps the greed Tynon has here for gems is in a funny way their own undoing.

If they overregulate any more I would have to declare this game neither free nor a wargame. It would be an event game, very limited at that. I still think that robbing maps and sinking IS the intention of Tynon on Pirates, as stated in the instruction on the right side of the screen. therefore not against TOS.

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You don't go into a store and use a five fingered discount to get what you desire just because it's above your price range? No of course you don't because it'll be breaking the law and likely to see you end up in jail. Everyone knows you'll look pretty dumb if you tried to justify it to the arresting officer by going "Sir/Ma'am, I only stole it because I couldn't afford it and it isn't fair that others who can, have it.

This excuse was used (poorly) in Evony and looked at what happened there. Saying that you need to 'suppliant' your game just because those who have the cash to sink into the game are both unwise (it's their choice where they spend their cash and certainly nothing to do with us) and causing a game imbalance is pretty dumb. If I'm honest the only imbalance is the ever increasing alts, it spoiled Evony and it's spoiling Tynon. I'm a realist so I am well aware there will be alts regardless, but justify them? Ummm no.

Until uCool really look at ever increasing alts and alt guilds, it'll be a problem that is and will cause people to quit. No one likes a bully and worse a bully who cheats. Evony has a far smaller player base than it did a few years back because uCool turned a blind eye to the rampant bots and alts and allowed the bullies to terrorise the servers. Turning it into a dull, two-dimensional game instead of the team building thrill ride it was in 2009/10.

I really can't do much about people who are naughty in game, I don't moderate the game only the forum. I'm hoping that uCool finally do something about it and put an end it to it, banning the worse offenders. It will set an example and prove uCool are serious about their ToS. As it stands most players consider it nothing more than a several paragraphs of nonsense, which it isn't.

As for robbing and sinking in Pirates. Yes that was the intention to grab that map that's sailing or docked because it's the opposite to the one your guildie has for a sail. However, to be an ass about it and viciously repeatedly sink a player or guild because you don't like them isn't playing at war, it's digital terrorism.

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Originally Posted by Morgan le Fay

This excuse was used (poorly) in Evony and looked at what happened there. Saying that you need to 'suppliant' your game just because those who have the cash to sink into the game are both unwise (it's their choice where they spend their cash and certainly nothing to do with us) and causing a game imbalance is pretty dumb. If I'm honest the only imbalance is the ever increasing alts, it spoiled Evony and it's spoiling Tynon. I'm a realist so I am well aware there will be alts regardless, but justify them? Ummm no.

Until uCool really look at ever increasing alts and alt guilds, it'll be a problem that is and will cause people to quit. No one likes a bully and worse a bully who cheats. Evony has a far smaller player base than it did a few years back because uCool turned a blind eye to the rampant bots and alts and allowed the bullies to terrorise the servers. Turning it into a dull, two-dimensional game instead of the team building thrill ride it was in 2009/10.

I really can't do much about people who are naughty in game, I don't moderate the game only the forum. I'm hoping that uCool finally do something about it and put an end it to it, banning the worse offenders. It will set an example and prove uCool are serious about their ToS. As it stands most players consider it nothing more than a several paragraphs of nonsense, which it isn't.

As for robbing and sinking in Pirates. Yes that was the intention to grab that map that's sailing or docked because it's the opposite to the one your guildie has for a sail. However, to be an ass about it and viciously repeatedly sink a player or guild because you don't like them isn't playing at war, it's digital terrorism.

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As true as it is I also feel that I would not be able to keep up in the game.. I assure you I am no alt abuser and do not have more than 2 alts while others have maybe 20 alts.. I simply can't manage all of them!
You talk about how it has created an imbalance in the game, however, tynon WILL NOT stop this as people who have created alts have spent 'real money' on those alts. Not a lot, but they have used some of their hard earned cash. So, if tynon goes and punishes them for those alts they are at the same time punishing them for spending money on their game which in business is unethical form. So, they can punish those people but then at the same time give their money back to them. You also can't tell me that I was not allowed to create those alts as not everybody reads the TOS when they start the game but just tick the little box saying you agree and proceed, otherwise, I wouldn't have spent that money on them ... personally I haven't spent a coin in this game but I'm referring to others who I know have!
As it remains an imbalance in the game and Tynon will continue to do nothing about it the only way to make the game more balanced is to start creating alts yourself.. remember Tynon WILL NOT do anything about this issue unless they return our money back to us!

About the sinking of pirates, it's part of the game.. I get sunk all the time but I don't complain, instead, I use the time I would complain to go find another map.
It wouldn'y be could Caribbean PIRATES if you couldn't sink somebody all the time. As that is kind of what pirates do.

Why not just add NPC pirates that people could get maps from instead of other players? We already have PVP in several areas and being that this a daily challenge why have it to where high level players prey on the weaker ones, just have it so that they go against NPC placers at the same power level.

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Originally Posted by vandekop_693725

Speaking of god complex...did u guys notice both examples of why passing maps is good was in the name of Justice...dealt out by only a few who decided what it should be.
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God complex... I think not. And for justice being handled by a few that decide what it is... wrong again as far as our server goes. It was a suggestion put out to all realms and all guilds to decide on. The overwhelming majority was yes we wanted no hitting once a ship set sail. I personally run 1 account with no alts and I have not coined a ton. I may cover accounts for guild members on vacation or working or help them beat a boss, whatever but that's neither here nor there. So yes, when we have a player or a guild go rogue, we join together to shut them down. Whoever sinks them passes the map to another guild. Most times I make 1 or 2 sails a day and give my other maps to small players. Sometimes having to work out relays because the player is too small to take it themselves. It's nice when everyone works together......

I think that when starting sail, having the map rewards from that sail be randomly chosen instead of player chosen would make for a much more interesting pirate's mini game.

Morgan, and everyone; I am not justifying alts. I was stating an opinion as to why they became so popular. It may well ruin Tynon, as bots did Evony. If the Dev's wanted this fixed why aren't they doing something? Because it's impossible, and to try and sort out what is an alt, a main, a noob vs a player that is just small that has little time or effort into the game is impossible, and using IP is not 100% sure or fair.

As far as pirates, we have people on our server that do that; sink - pass - sink - pass .. and it stinks!! As a strategy!!! I will not now, nor will I ever believe that sinking is against TOS. What can be done about them?? Not a lot, but to do it back, avoid their hours and other peer pressure tactics. Until the Dev's devise a way to adjust Pirates, it will continue. I don't like it ... I don't do it, but no admonishing of opinions here in forum will change my mind that it is against a rule. LOL You can even look at the names of alts, and guilds and identify people, they don't even hide it!!! Yet - nothing happens.

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Originally Posted by acesn8s69_4868706

God complex... I think not. And for justice being handled by a few that decide what it is... wrong again as far as our server goes. It was a suggestion put out to all realms and all guilds to decide on. The overwhelming majority was yes we wanted no hitting once a ship set sail. I personally run 1 account with no alts and I have not coined a ton. I may cover accounts for guild members on vacation or working or help them beat a boss, whatever but that's neither here nor there. So yes, when we have a player or a guild go rogue, we join together to shut them down. Whoever sinks them passes the map to another guild. Most times I make 1 or 2 sails a day and give my other maps to small players. Sometimes having to work out relays because the player is too small to take it themselves. It's nice when everyone works together......

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Bob Loblaw. I think either you didn't read everything I posted, or didn't understand it. I'm going to explain it for you, but I will not understand it for you. Just because you can do something does not mean that you should. Now...don't read any further until you understand what I just wrote. Take your time...no need for an injury. Once you understand it...continue..

Morgan is spot on.
If you can't make your point with four sinks, then you can't make your point.

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Originally Posted by NyxHunter

Passing of the map to endlessly sink people on the sea is a form of bullying in my opinion. It's against the TOS (alts interaction) and it's freaking annoying, lol :p

So here is an idea that would stop it in most cases. What would happen if you had to sail with the power that your ranking dictates? It only makes sense because when you want to sail, you want to cross. Why would you want to be any less powerful than you can be? The only reason the power down on the seas, would be to pass a map.


Come on Tynon! Stop the bullies of the seas! If you aren't going to deal with the alts (which honestly would be too difficult), at least make it so they can't be used as easily. Please? :o

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I made comments on this situation a year ago. Same guild still doing it with a couple of players creating an alt guild. blah, blah, blah

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Originally Posted by vandekop_693725

Bob Loblaw. I think either you didn't read everything I posted, or didn't understand it. I'm going to explain it for you, but I will not understand it for you. Just because you can do something does not mean that you should. Now...don't read any further until you understand what I just wrote. Take your time...no need for an injury. Once you understand it...continue..

Morgan is spot on.
If you can't make your point with four sinks, then you can't make your point.

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Maybe you should learn to read what's posted. If I had meant to cover your entire post I would have included it. I covered what I wanted to just to give a different point of view. But alas, when a server does something not according to YOUR game plan you start belittling and throwing insinuations that some one is not as bright as you. Sorry to burst you bubble but the world and the game does not revolve around you or your opinion and you know what they say about them. I'm glad our server works together to help smaller players enjoy the game......