The round limit in Heroics is so unfair

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09-13-2014, 08:40 AM
BickleT_4294143

The round limit in Heroics is so unfair

It really is just cheating on the part of the game engine. I get that some battles could go on forever if the boss is a vampire, but the Golden Dragon is not and 30 rounds really is pretty damn short. I can set up the mechanics and tank the Golden Dragon, but I have to wait until I can do more damage because.....who knows exactly why? Just an arbitrary cut off point. I can see 500 rounds or even 100, but 30 is pretty short. I know it's just a game, but it's sure feels like cheating when the game just decides you lost even though you are clearly going to win in another 10 or 12 rounds. Sigh.
09-13-2014, 12:35 PM
Herby

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Originally Posted by BickleT_4294143

It really is just cheating on the part of the game engine. I get that some battles could go on forever if the boss is a vampire, but the Golden Dragon is not and 30 rounds really is pretty damn short. I can set up the mechanics and tank the Golden Dragon, but I have to wait until I can do more damage because.....who knows exactly why? Just an arbitrary cut off point. I can see 500 rounds or even 100, but 30 is pretty short. I know it's just a game, but it's sure feels like cheating when the game just decides you lost even though you are clearly going to win in another 10 or 12 rounds. Sigh.

Because there is Maria, Khan and Penth.

Remove those 3, and you can remove the round limit and play as much as you want.

But I guarantee you'll hardly make it past round 10 or 15 w/o healing and vampire ability lol.
09-13-2014, 01:05 PM
kaisim_2492829

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Originally Posted by BickleT_4294143

It really is just cheating on the part of the game engine. I get that some battles could go on forever if the boss is a vampire, but the Golden Dragon is not and 30 rounds really is pretty damn short. I can set up the mechanics and tank the Golden Dragon, but I have to wait until I can do more damage because.....who knows exactly why? Just an arbitrary cut off point. I can see 500 rounds or even 100, but 30 is pretty short. I know it's just a game, but it's sure feels like cheating when the game just decides you lost even though you are clearly going to win in another 10 or 12 rounds. Sigh.

you clearly didn't time out 3x in a row yet with 95-98% damage done and 5 heroes standing LOL
anyways, you can look at it as a gearcheck or you can change out heroes, for example use lance instead alci or adam for example, change up forms, etc
i dont mind the round limit, i think it makes it more interesting to be honest. if there was 100 rounds possible i am pretty sure that at least half the players could complete quest and HR tomorrow.

herby is right and spot on. i would like to add that before the 30 round limit there was a 35 round limit and it got cut off by 5 rounds after khan and maria where introduced.
09-13-2014, 02:52 PM
BickleT_4294143

I understand your points completely, and I don't really disagree. I guess what I wish is that there was some mechanism that sort of explained it. After 30 rounds you get a -5% attack and defense each round until you bite it because your heroes are getting tired. I know it's kind of silly, but it just is sort of crappy that they just give up after 30 rounds. A small point, I know. And I have been trying every possible combination. I'm just not strong enough is all, but they way you lose with the cap is really....disheartening. I mean when you get pounded into the sand, yeah, okay I'm weak. But I hate it when my team just throws in the towel.
09-13-2014, 11:52 PM
kaisim_2492829

when they decreased the round limit i suggested a counter for the rounds somewhere on screen. it would explain itself and avoid most of the confusion about it
09-14-2014, 03:04 AM
vandekop_693725

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Originally Posted by BickleT_4294143

I'm just not strong enough...

I think we've isolated the problem. I feel your pain...took me forever to beat him. 92%, then upgrades n 94%, then 95... I asked penth...she said after 30 flips, she's done. =)
09-14-2014, 03:18 AM
kaisim_2492829

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Originally Posted by vandekop_693725

I think we've isolated the problem. I feel your pain...took me forever to beat him. 92%, then upgrades n 94%, then 95... I asked penth...she said after 30 flips, she's done. =)

i think its a boy... and irish... coz they dont go under the table easy ... and he got a small head lol
09-15-2014, 08:18 PM
Riot

Try killing past the final Ultimate hero in Heroics... Queen P and Kahn are useless. You need massive amounts of damage to beat those Heroics. If it was not for the round cap, it would be too easy with just Maria doing the healing.

I really hope they put the new plans for the next set past the Sirus bosses quickly so we can avoid this nonsense with what we just went through with Sirus patch.

OT: It really bothers me that UCool and its principles who also own other games like EVONY, Spartacus, created" an "LLC" Limited Liability Corporation for "EACH" game they produce, to try to limit the legal damage to themselves and pretty much screw players and people who invested in the game when they abandon it. Mean while they keep trolling through more new games for a fast buck instead of focusing on the longevity of one game to try and make it the best game out there.

This is complete nonsense and time will tell if this company lives up to their obligations.
09-16-2014, 08:17 PM
davemata

No one is trying to "screw" players, and conjecture like that won't happen here on the forum.
Thanks.
09-16-2014, 08:36 PM
kaisim_2492829

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Originally Posted by Riot

[...]OT: It really bothers me that UCool and its principles who also own other games like EVONY, Spartacus, created" an "LLC" Limited Liability Corporation for "EACH" game they produce, to try to limit the legal damage to themselves and pretty much screw players and people who invested in the game when they abandon it. Mean while they keep trolling through more new games for a fast buck instead of focusing on the longevity of one game to try and make it the best game out there.
[...]

sry to point this out:
"1.10. Ownership 1.10.1. Games and Service All rights and title in and to the Service (including without limitation any user accounts, titles, computer code, themes, objects, characters, character names, stories, dialogue, catch phrases, locations, concepts, artwork, animations, sounds, musical compositions, audio-visual effects, methods of operation, moral rights, any related documentation, "applets" incorporated into the Game Client, character profile information, recordings of games played using the Game Client, and the Game Client and server software) are owned by uCool or its licensors. The Game and the Service are protected by United States and international laws, and may contain certain licensed materials in which uCool’s licensors may enforce their rights in the event of any violation of this Agreement.
[...]
No Ownership Rights in Account. NOTWITHSTANDING ANYTHING TO THE CONTRARY HEREIN, YOU ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT YOU SHALL HAVE NO OWNERSHIP OR OTHER PROPERTY INTEREST IN THE ACCOUNT, AND YOU FURTHER ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT ALL RIGHTS IN AND TO THE ACCOUNT ARE AND SHALL FOREVER BE OWNED BY AND INURE TO THE BENEFIT OF UCOOL, INC.[...]"
(caps are part of it and not added)
this part alone says it all and covers all bases and even if you try to sue them, then it would not be for anything you owned in the first place
09-16-2014, 08:42 PM
Riot

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Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829

sry to point this out:
"1.10. Ownership 1.10.1. Games and Service All rights and title in and to the Service (including without limitation any user accounts, titles, computer code, themes, objects, characters, character names, stories, dialogue, catch phrases, locations, concepts, artwork, animations, sounds, musical compositions, audio-visual effects, methods of operation, moral rights, any related documentation, "applets" incorporated into the Game Client, character profile information, recordings of games played using the Game Client, and the Game Client and server software) are owned by uCool or its licensors. The Game and the Service are protected by United States and international laws, and may contain certain licensed materials in which uCool’s licensors may enforce their rights in the event of any violation of this Agreement.
[...]
No Ownership Rights in Account. NOTWITHSTANDING ANYTHING TO THE CONTRARY HEREIN, YOU ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT YOU SHALL HAVE NO OWNERSHIP OR OTHER PROPERTY INTEREST IN THE ACCOUNT, AND YOU FURTHER ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT ALL RIGHTS IN AND TO THE ACCOUNT ARE AND SHALL FOREVER BE OWNED BY AND INURE TO THE BENEFIT OF UCOOL, INC.[...]"
(caps are part of it and not added)
this part alone says it all and covers all bases and even if you try to sue them, then it would not be for anything you owned in the first place

Sorry to point this out: that you spent time quoting from EULA that is not even relevant to my posting.
09-16-2014, 08:45 PM
Riot

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Originally Posted by davemata

No one is trying to "screw" players, and conjecture like that won't happen here on the forum.
Thanks.

Glad to hear this Dave!

Also we finally get to hear from someone from UCool!!!!

Can we get some status on what the plans are for this game?

Is there more content planned? will we be getting the 3rd sub slot from Royal challenge any time soon? Also new Royal challenge heros and new rep heros and possibly fix some issues such as talent scaling properly as well as increased levels and next set for the ultimate heroic bosses?

Thank you.
09-16-2014, 09:06 PM
kaisim_2492829

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Originally Posted by Riot

Sorry to point this out: that you spent time quoting from EULA that is not even relevant to my posting.

wrong again. point is they have no obligations towards you or any other player. they tolerate you here and thats all.
09-16-2014, 09:45 PM
davidschlebusch_6020359

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Originally Posted by davemata

No one is trying to "screw" players, and conjecture like that won't happen here on the forum.
Thanks.

Ah Dave!

Looks as though you got my private message on the Evony forums :)
Perhaps, you can start answering some unanswered questions for us!
09-17-2014, 02:17 AM
becalvert_1151817

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Originally Posted by davemata

No one is trying to "screw" players, and conjecture like that won't happen here on the forum.
Thanks.

Well damn Hi there thought you were a permanent vacationer AKA gone see ya bye adios

Welcome back I think oh yeah in the words of some others "Lucy you've got some splainin to do"

Hands Dave a Beer now calm down and hang out for a few days will you?
09-18-2014, 03:39 PM
mattp169

*rubs eyes*

I thought i saw a davemata

must be dreaming
09-19-2014, 10:06 PM
mparton_1280808

Dave Mata... didnt you post about 7 months ago (your last post, I believe) that you'd be around on the forums "a lot more" ?! We are glad to see you, finally, but the massive hiatus was a very bad thing....

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Originally Posted by davemata

No one is trying to "screw" players, and conjecture like that won't happen here on the forum.
Thanks.