Merging Chips Suggestion

As you already know, all it takes to merge to a higher level chip it requires 5 of the lower level chips which effectively gives you a 100% chance. This can be seen when merging your 5 lower level chips to give you your higher level chip.

Now, what if we could take 4 lower level chips to give us a higher level chip at a success rate of 80%

The way it could scale down is by the following:

5 chips = 100% success rate
4 chips = 80% success rate
3 chips = 60% success rate
2 chips = 40% success rate (Read note)*
1 chip = 20% success rate (Read note)*

*Note: With the low requirement of how many chips it takes to get to the higher chip , there will be a higher failure rate even though the % appears to be fairly high.

The other way it could scale down is by the following:

5 chips = 100% success rate
4 chips = 75% success rate
3 chips = 50% success rate
2 chips = 25% success rate
1 chip = 10% success rate

IMO using 1 chip to merge to a higher level chip shouldn't be implemented or should ultimately have an extremely low success rate/ very high failure rate.

This is an idea that can be worked around and could potentially give us higher level chips 'quicker', of course with the chance of giving us higher level chips at a slower rate. It all depends on how lucky you are!

PS: I'm aware of the current problems with the game and would rather have them fixed first.. but we need some new things that we could discuss about.

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Originally Posted by davidschlebusch_6020359

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PS: I'm aware of the current problems with the game and would rather have them fixed first.. but we need some new things that we could discuss about.

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"not getting new things" is one of the current problems we all would like to see "fixed" first lol ;)


... and about your chip gambling idea, i dont like it. sorry.
when it comes to implementing new things or my wish list of desirable stuff, a new way how to gamble chips is not what pops into my mind at all.

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Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829

"not getting new things" is one of the current problems we all would like to see "fixed" first lol ;)


... and about your chip gambling idea, i dont like it. sorry.
when it comes to implementing new things or my wish list of desirable stuff, a new way how to gamble chips is not what pops into my mind at all.

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By saying that it is a chip gambling idea by having a success rate attached to less chips to still give you a higher chip level, do you also say that you are saying that sanctifications and stars is also a gamble?
As there is already a gamble in the game there is nothing wrong with giving it a bit more of a gamble. As I have heard from other sources, chip levels in some cases go to level 15 while others say they go to level 10. The reason I like this idea is because for all of us INCLUDING the top coiners it is going to be immensely difficult to get our chips to level 10 without winning large quantities of them from the casino which we know is extremely rare to almost impossible. IMO, without this, I don't feel that in the history of this game will we be able to have a reasonable source of level 10 chips and beyond. Chips are one of the few things with high levels that can make you very strong!

I feel that you need to emphasise on the fact that you don't like it, as I'm not understanding where you come from by saying that you don't like it.

Why add more luck to the game when there is already has such a huge influence on the game? They need to implement protection on odds in some places like gaining stars and saints then that would be an improvement. For example i have used over 200 blue medals trying to get alc from 7 to 8. there needs to be a fail safe after x amount of fails for each star level you automatically get the next star, it can scale relative to the chance but it is ridiculous how chance affects the server. on my server i have had the best luck with pen so i am way ahead in heroic and quest in fact i have been at the limit it will let me go in quest and as i get spots open in inventory for plans i advance in heroic. A few others have had good luck with adam(my adam refuses to get his first moon) and flav so they can beat me in pvp but are multiple bosses behind me in heroic. All because of the reliance on chance and now you want to add more chance to the game hahahaha. and what would you think if there was a glitch in this that allowed one of your competitors on your server to be able to get really high gems bet that would not make u happy. This game needs to go away from chance and towards skill give us more choices and less chances and the game will be better

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Originally Posted by steveshort59_4035466

Why add more luck to the game when there is already has such a huge influence on the game? They need to implement protection on odds in some places like gaining stars and saints then that would be an improvement. For example i have used over 200 blue medals trying to get alc from 7 to 8. there needs to be a fail safe after x amount of fails for each star level you automatically get the next star, it can scale relative to the chance but it is ridiculous how chance affects the server. on my server i have had the best luck with pen so i am way ahead in heroic and quest in fact i have been at the limit it will let me go in quest and as i get spots open in inventory for plans i advance in heroic. A few others have had good luck with adam(my adam refuses to get his first moon) and flav so they can beat me in pvp but are multiple bosses behind me in heroic. All because of the reliance on chance and now you want to add more chance to the game hahahaha. and what would you think if there was a glitch in this that allowed one of your competitors on your server to be able to get really high gems bet that would not make u happy. This game needs to go away from chance and towards skill give us more choices and less chances and the game will be better

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Steve, I hear where you come from, I really do...

Try consider this for a moment, in my original post when I was demonstrating how the success rate could scale downwards, I included the fact that there would still be a chance at getting your 5 chips to merge for a 100% success rate.
For me, I would be someone to take the chance at 3 or 4 chips to merge to a higher one with a chance to fail, however, you and all other players who disapprove of this idea will be able to take the chance AND be able to build your chips up to 5 to have that 100% success rate.

In your post, you talk about how Tynon need to implement protection on odds in some places like gaining stars and saints and how it would be an improvement. Well, what if I had to tell you that they have already done that!!!
When gaining cards to saint up, you already have the opportunity to build your cards so that it will give you 100% success rate. When starring up, they protect you by not having the chance at losing a star that you have already gained. If I remember correctly, it used be that if you fail you lose one or two stars!

No matter what game you play, there will always be somewhere where you have some kind of form of chance or luck, you are never going to be able to eradicate that. By presenting this idea to you, I have given you more choices and maintained the possibility for you to have less choices by giving you an opportunity at 100% success rate.

i didnt mean to hurt your feelings by calling it a "gamble" but it really is a gamble and based on luck. sancts and stars are completely unrelated and out of the question.
now to respond to your personal attack, all i tried to say was that i dont like the idea in the first place and like to add that the higher the chip is, the less i would even dare trying. just thinking about a 90% chance to loose a lv8 chip terrifies me.
also to get things changed in the game there needs to be a profit of some sort in it for ucool that i fail to see in this as well. unless you would for example add an option to increase your chance in gambling a higher chip by sacrifice of gems... in that case you could just increase the casino chances on chips


EDIT PS:
about your sancts and stars issue: sancts you where not able to remove 1 by one but able to remove all at once. at the same time as they introduced "stacking" to raise your chance they also implemented single sanct removal.
at the same time they introduced in not loosing stars when sancting they also introduced transfer, additional purchase options (CW for example), significantly higher fail rate, etc all to raise the sale of gems by increasing your desire for more medals and cards

Nothing in the game is random a gamble or based on luck, everything is predetermined

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Originally Posted by service_8572198

Nothing in the game is random a gamble or based on luck, everything is predetermined

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wouldnt that depend on how you define the point of predetermination?

example: your guild chest for example is randomly predetermined when you click on it (while you clicked on it, it calculated a random reward that you will be given, no matter which card you when uncover).

I rather like this idea of % chance to fail using lower chip count!

So long as that look ahead bug works on it too. Which it should.

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Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829

i didnt mean to hurt your feelings by calling it a "gamble" but it really is a gamble and based on luck. sancts and stars are completely unrelated and out of the question.
now to respond to your personal attack, all i tried to say was that i dont like the idea in the first place and like to add that the higher the chip is, the less i would even dare trying. just thinking about a 90% chance to loose a lv8 chip terrifies me.
also to get things changed in the game there needs to be a profit of some sort in it for ucool that i fail to see in this as well. unless you would for example add an option to increase your chance in gambling a higher chip by sacrifice of gems... in that case you could just increase the casino chances on chips


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about your sancts and stars issue: sancts you where not able to remove 1 by one but able to remove all at once. at the same time as they introduced "stacking" to raise your chance they also implemented single sanct removal.
at the same time they introduced in not loosing stars when sancting they also introduced transfer, additional purchase options (CW for example), significantly higher fail rate, etc all to raise the sale of gems by increasing your desire for more medals and cards

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Sweetheart don't worry you didn't hurt my feelings one bit :)

There is no gamble as it is predetermined which service did say...
Sancts and stars are related to my suggestion, or I am trying to make it related because they work on the same concept which I am trying to get you to understand.

Look, I wasn't attacking you out of anything personal, all I was trying to do is understand where you come from by saying you don't like my OP. As a matter of fact you still haven't told me why you don't like my OP. You can't say you don't like something with out substantiating your statement.

I understand you wouldn't dare try to merge a chip with a high failure rate, which is why when I proposed my suggestion to you I also gave the opportunity of still being able to collect a full 5 chips with a 100% success rate. Personally I would collect at least 5 chips if I am going anything higher than lvl 6 chips! However, as I get lvl 4 chips almost daily from labs (not good enough in banish unfortunately :P ) I wouldn't have a problem with merging them with a chance of failure!

Well well, you just gave the way Tynon / uCool can make profit for this! As with sancts you can pay 100 gems to maintain 1 card ..or more (I'm not 100% sure) , with chips we can also pay 100 gems or what Tynon / uCool will put as a reasonable amount of gems to maintain 1 chip.. or more. Also as you are aware it is very difficult to get high level chips, however, if we have 4 lvl 9 chips (for example) and we want to merge to a lvl 10 chip but we are afraid of it failing and it is going to take us another month or two to get another lvl 9 chips of that kind, then we can pay for example 200 gems to have 100% success rate. What you can also do is tick a little box where you pay 200 gems with the 4 lvl 9 chips to give you the 100% success rate, however, if you have 3 lvl 9 chips it will require 400 gems for 100% success rate, instead you can try saving 100 gems by ticking the 200 gem box for 1 lvl 9 chip and ticking the 100 gem box for maintaining all your chips if it fails.

In response to your edit:

Again, I got no issue about sancts and stars.. what Tynon did was probably what saved this game and got them this far!
About sancts removing all at once, that was in the past, forgotten about, and never to be looked back at. We can fortunately now remove 1 at a time :)
This is what I'm trying to present to you.. is a chip merging idea where you can stack them and as you stack them you get 100% success rate with the most chips stacked in this case ALWAYS 5 NEVER MORE.
You talk about 'transfer'! Well, what if we could take unnecessary chips that people have been throwing their fights for in cwf and making our lives very unpleasant. We should be able to have the chance to take 5 chips, pay (for example) 500 gems for a perfect transfer to give us another 5 chips of same level of a chip of our choice. Without the payment of gems for a perfect transfer they should still give us at least 3 chips of the same level and let us choose which chip we would like. This will 'potentially' stop people throwing their fights in cwf as they probably already have loads of those useless chips floating around and know they can have the opportunity to transfer them to something better. This will also generate loads of income for Tynon / uCool as it requires people to pay for something they don't want to lose.

if they did this, one would have all level 10 chips very soon

I don't like this idea. This would make the game even more of a gamble. Moreover, they'd probably make it possible for people to exploit it in the same manner that people exploit sanctifications.

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Originally Posted by ChickenWing

I don't like this idea. This would make the game even more of a gamble. Moreover, they'd probably make it possible for people to exploit it in the same manner that people exploit sanctifications.

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Then they should remove the way one is able to exploit sancts and stars. I know them but can't discuss them :)

@Riot By very soon, I'm sure you mean couple of months because for me it will take me a good year to make a load of level 10 chips .. maybe 2 years
At the current rate it will take me my life time xD

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Originally Posted by Riot

I rather like this idea of % chance to fail using lower chip count!

So long as that look ahead bug works on it too. Which it should.

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Originally Posted by Riot

if they did this, one would have all level 10 chips very soon

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Well... Riot is pretty much saying they should do this so it can be exploited. Thought I'd hold onto this before he edits.

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Originally Posted by g346007_1906957

Well... Riot is pretty much saying they should do this so it can be exploited. Thought I'd hold onto this before he edits.

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didnt you know that in his mind he doesnt exploit or cheat since he thinks that the "look ahead bugs" (he is exploiting) are part of the game as long as its not clearly specified in the TOS or EULA. therefore he is confident talking about it and assuming everyone else does it too.

There's no gray area on that one, that's just plain exploitation lol
Though for the topic, it would be damn scary to risk high lvl chips I guess you could make it so you could use gems to save the chip(s) like you do for saints. not sure of the cost that would be used.

mm, i must say that if they have increased the failure rate to induce me to buy more gems, they have failed. I no longer by gems as the chance of the sancta or stars working is less than a snowballs chance in my central heating. I am much more likely to burn notes to keep me warm than /I am to buy stars. I want at least a reasonable chance of success before i waste my money. But I guess we are all different and see things in a different way

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Originally Posted by nolansco_5578848

mm, i must say that if they have increased the failure rate to induce me to buy more gems, they have failed. I no longer by gems as the chance of the sancta or stars working is less than a snowballs chance in my central heating. I am much more likely to burn notes to keep me warm than /I am to buy stars. I want at least a reasonable chance of success before i waste my money. But I guess we are all different and see things in a different way

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you are misreading the intentions from ucool. it was more like a win-win. before that when you failed the medals on your hero you would loose anywhere 0-4 stars after a fail (i believe 4, 7, 9, 11, 13 where safe, or something like that). now when you fail you keep the stars on your hero, however the chance of going up is reduced. the sancts you can now stack the cards to increase your chance of going up... it all got better and easier and because of that players intend to spend more gems. many improvements in the game are like that, to make you as a player happy they hope you will spend more gems while you are moving up.

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Originally Posted by nolansco_5578848

mm, i must say that if they have increased the failure rate to induce me to buy more gems, they have failed. I no longer by gems as the chance of the sancta or stars working is less than a snowballs chance in my central heating. I am much more likely to burn notes to keep me warm than /I am to buy stars. I want at least a reasonable chance of success before i waste my money. But I guess we are all different and see things in a different way

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LoL, no they don't 'induce' you to buy more gems as it is entirely your choice, but please do remember that Tynon / uCool under NO circumstances whatsoever will implement something that they can't even make a cent out of!
Without us, Tynon / uCool have got no game to fund, without them making me their money they can't let their game progress / develop. We constantly nag like 5 year olds because we not getting any new patches or content or new features. Why, you might ask yourself? Well, simply because we are not funding their game for them to develop it.

You want a reasonable chance of success? EVERYTHING IN THIS GAME IS PREDETERMINED? Is that too big a word for you? Well, it simply means that this game has a DESTINY. The server on uCools side knows when our 10th star on adamanti is going to be successful, it knows if we are going to flip over a purple card with card broker, it knows what we going to get in casino, it knows if our Angel 5 main is going to pass with 2 cards but fail with 3. Our game has already been played for us, we're just unraveling what it turns out to be!

So, please remember that uCool NEED their money otherwise we will NEVER see another patch again. You not wanting something that you have to pay for means you not going to get it. You have better luck in finding another game I'm sorry to say.

Back to my merging chips suggestion, I think a lot of people are failing to understand that it works EXACTLY THE SAME as sanctifying your heroes. You start with a failure rate, build your chips up, and try get a better success rate. I agree no one not even me would risk lvl 6 chips upwards because of the potential fail rate, but please understand that you can still build them to a point where you get a 100% success rate.
Now, what I'm trying to do is still have the set amount of 5 chips to give you 100% no matter what and people can build it to that amount to give you the higher level chip you desire for. But also have the opportunity to merge 3 chips and 4 chips (Lets forget about merging 1 chips and 2 chips as that will cause too much drama) at a failure rate but with the potential to save a bit of money .. Please remember no one is telling you that you have to take 3 or 4 chips then it fails but that you have the opportunity to build it to 5 chips and still get 100% success rate.

I don't like the idea. Chips are fine the way they are. It just takes time but that's all we got because the game is progressing at the rate of a melting iceburg in winter.

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Originally Posted by davidschlebusch_6020359

You want a reasonable chance of success? EVERYTHING IN THIS GAME IS PREDETERMINED? Is that too big a word for you? Well, it simply means that this game has a DESTINY. The server on uCools side knows when our 10th star on adamanti is going to be successful, it knows if we are going to flip over a purple card with card broker, it knows what we going to get in casino, it knows if our Angel 5 main is going to pass with 2 cards but fail with 3. Our game has already been played for us, we're just unraveling what it turns out to be!

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Predetermined, but random. I have kept track of what the success of the different Saints are for Dawn, since I use her to build up the other heroes, and the success is not always the same. I do not know about stars, since I do not do stars on Dawn before the transfer to the other hero.

I suppose that we could all share out experiences on how many medals it tool to get each star and see if it is always the same. In any case once the random value is determine, it does not change, and that is what it makes it look as it is predetermined.

There is one thing that is not predetermined, at least not 100%, and that is what you get from a Guild Chest. The kind of item you get (like leve 1 chip, purple hero, etc) is predetermined, but the specific one is not. If you are going to get a purple hero, for example, you can 'X' out of the card flop screen and open the chest again until you get the one that you want.

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Originally Posted by Andy

Predetermined, but random. I have kept track of what the success of the different Saints are for Dawn, since I use her to build up the other heroes, and the success is not always the same. I do not know about stars, since I do not do stars on Dawn before the transfer to the other hero.

I suppose that we could all share out experiences on how many medals it tool to get each star and see if it is always the same. In any case once the random value is determine, it does not change, and that is what it makes it look as it is predetermined.

There is one thing that is not predetermined, at least not 100%, and that is what you get from a Guild Chest. The kind of item you get (like leve 1 chip, purple hero, etc) is predetermined, but the specific one is not. If you are going to get a purple hero, for example, you can 'X' out of the card flop screen and open the chest again until you get the one that you want.

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the success of medals on each hero is predetermined (i believe for 10 steps) however it is predetermined for stages and/or until you transfer then it will be reset and randomly predetermined for the next X attempts.

PS: my lance went from 0-9 stars without a single loss, from 9-15 i lost 4 attempts and since then i must have lost at least 100+ purples and he not budging :(

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Originally Posted by Andy

There is one thing that is not predetermined, at least not 100%, and that is what you get from a Guild Chest. The kind of item you get (like leve 1 chip, purple hero, etc) is predetermined, but the specific one is not. If you are going to get a purple hero, for example, you can 'X' out of the card flop screen and open the chest again until you get the one that you want.

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Yes, I do that as well when I want a map from guild chest or a shot at 10 gems. I think that out of the 5 cards you see that are displayed there, one is already predetermined for you, until you press the 'X' button and get a random different 5 cards where one again out of that list is predetermined for you!

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Originally Posted by davidschlebusch_6020359

Yes, I do that as well when I want a map from guild chest or a shot at 10 gems. I think that out of the 5 cards you see that are displayed there, one is already predetermined for you, until you press the 'X' button and get a random different 5 cards where one again out of that list is predetermined for you!

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by the way you explained it, i am not sure if you got that wrong or right so please let me reiterate this to be clear. the way how it works is that you get ONE predetermined card until you pull it and the other 4 cards are like decoration. so if the game decides to give you credits from the guild chest, you will get credits on every attempt when you re-opened the box and closed it before you click on shuffle.
with cards and chips, only the general "level" is predetermined not the particular kind. so if the game decided to give you a purple hero you will keep on getting a random purple hero along with 4 other cards (for decoration) as fillers or motivation to make it more interesting for the players (aiming for thoughts like "oh i almost got 10 gems" or "aww why i picked that thing next to the gold hero").
when you click on the X to close the chest you can find out what you get by elimination and once you determined you will get a purple hero you can then open/close until you get the hero you desire.

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Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829

by the way you explained it, i am not sure if you got that wrong or right so please let me reiterate this to be clear. the way how it works is that you get ONE predetermined card until you pull it and the other 4 cards are like decoration. so if the game decides to give you credits from the guild chest, you will get credits on every attempt when you re-opened the box and closed it before you click on shuffle.
with cards and chips, only the general "level" is predetermined not the particular kind. so if the game decided to give you a purple hero you will keep on getting a random purple hero along with 4 other cards (for decoration) as fillers or motivation to make it more interesting for the players (aiming for thoughts like "oh i almost got 10 gems" or "aww why i picked that thing next to the gold hero").
when you click on the X to close the chest you can find out what you get by elimination and once you determined you will get a purple hero you can then open/close until you get the hero you desire.

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No it definitely does not work like this!

I have wanted a map before, where the first time I open the chest for 5 different options, there is definitely no map displayed on that list before I click on shuffle.
I clicked the 'X' button over again until I saw the map and yes, I got the map that I wanted (L or R doesn't matter), but I got the map.

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Originally Posted by davidschlebusch_6020359

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I have wanted a map before, where the first time I open the chest for 5 different options, there is definitely no map displayed on that list before I click on shuffle.
I clicked the 'X' button over again until I saw the map and yes, I got the map that I wanted (L or R doesn't matter), but I got the map.

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you'd need to rephrase that, but assuming on your upset i'd assume when you first open a box you didn't see a map and continued to open/close until you saw a map?
either way, maps is a little different from other items in the chest, there is an exception that you can not get a map while you are holding one. if you have a map in your guild chest and acquire one in the meantime for example from assistant, the map will turn into coins. if you are opening/closing a chest it could be showing coins (instead of a map because you have one) and someone jumps on your boat and is sailing with you, the coins will switch back into the map.

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Originally Posted by davidschlebusch_6020359

No it definitely does not work like this!

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and yes it definitely works exactly like this


can we now please return to the OP and stop talking about guild chests? if you dont clearly understand you can always pm me or read the previous posts again

this idea is basically what Knight's fable does with their gems upgrading