Runes on helpers, ie; Herja/Ezekiel

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10-02-2014, 06:16 PM
MisChief

Runes on helpers, ie; Herja/Ezekiel

Has anyone made any tests or determinations on whether the "helper" class of hero is a mage or not?? I know they have to use staff. My question really is about runes. I see now many people with differing opinions on whether they need preciseness, can benefit from adv or intenseness. I have looked at the top players and it varies. I have done a bit of testing, but I would like to hear what others think. In many ways their power is more of a skill than a magic, and there does not seem to be a rune for them as the runes never changed when they were added.
10-02-2014, 07:11 PM
service_8572198

Personally ive yet to see herja/ezek miss, I dont believe they require intenseness preciseness advantage, tho i havnt tested it
10-02-2014, 07:55 PM
kaisim_2492829

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Originally Posted by MisChief

Has anyone made any tests or determinations on whether the "helper" class of hero is a mage or not?? I know they have to use staff. My question really is about runes. I see now many people with differing opinions on whether they need preciseness, can benefit from adv or intenseness. I have looked at the top players and it varies. I have done a bit of testing, but I would like to hear what others think. In many ways their power is more of a skill than a magic, and there does not seem to be a rune for them as the runes never changed when they were added.

look at it this way: if you added all 3 divine runes (which you will do anyways, sooner or later) and add all defense runes, you have one open rune slot.
10-02-2014, 09:42 PM
g346007_1906957

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Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829

look at it this way: if you added all 3 divine runes (which you will do anyways, sooner or later) and add all defense runes, you have one open rune slot.

I just use a Dex on my herja as I don't believe it needs any break. Might save some manual runing.
10-02-2014, 11:43 PM
vandekop_693725

Zeke and Herja don't benefit from offensive runes, but it's a good place to carry a spare.
10-03-2014, 12:28 PM
Greenly

I have a prec on my helper just casue of what kaisim said, I have 1 open slot. the rest are all def runes.
10-03-2014, 10:44 PM
MisChief

Thanks all. (lack of) Storage for runes is as good a reason to keep them there as any. As when they were first released, the belief was they needed it since they use staff - but really are not mages.
10-04-2014, 03:42 AM
kaisim_2492829

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Originally Posted by MisChief

Thanks all. (lack of) Storage for runes is as good a reason to keep them there as any. As when they were first released, the belief was they needed it since they use staff - but really are not mages.

i dont like bringing this up again because its been talked about up to the point of exhaustion on the forums, but in the early replays there used to be one where herja missed one hero debuffing. that started a heated discussion including the fact that herja got a +25 hitrating add-on by default. you will find a lot if you search for it on the forum. since then i used to have a low hit rating on my herja since she got tank runes anyways, in case i wanted to switch her or the rune set for a tank like saff or ahmose (my ezk doesnt, he carries a vengance for faster switching).
10-05-2014, 12:05 AM
Andy

Use only defensive rune on Hejja and Eze. Rge rest are just wasted, The same for equipment. A staff of Spirit is wasted.
10-05-2014, 01:38 AM
kaisim_2492829

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Originally Posted by Andy

A staff or Spirit is wasted.

not really, you still profit from the defense set bonuses. to my guild members i always suggest to have a +0 staff/spirit on herja/ezk
10-05-2014, 05:02 PM
Greenly

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Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829

not really, you still profit from the defense set bonuses. to my guild members i always suggest to have a +0 staff/spirit on herja/ezk

i agree. my staff and spirit only has levels on them cause its usually on a wednesday with to little time for any other upgrade before thursday
10-06-2014, 01:20 AM
Andy

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Originally Posted by Greenly

i agree. my staff and spirit only has levels on them cause its usually on a wednesday with to little time for any other upgrade before thursday

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Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829

not really, you still profit from the defense set bonuses. to my guild members i always suggest to have a +0 staff/spirit on herja/ezk

I did not think of that. In any case you need one or the other since the defensive bonus are for a set of 5. You do not get an extra defense bonus for a set of 6.
10-06-2014, 02:45 AM
kaisim_2492829

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Originally Posted by Andy

I did not think of that. In any case you need one or the other since the defensive bonus are for a set of 5. You do not get an extra defense bonus for a set of 6.

come on andy, really? how about 6 piece dodge and block bonuses?
10-06-2014, 09:35 AM
jrrtolley_7332441

Ezekiel is great for getting runes up ready for when the 3rd sub slot opens. So, its always worth loading him up and when it does you are ready to go.
10-06-2014, 06:31 PM
vandekop_693725

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Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829

come on andy, really? how about 6 piece dodge and block bonuses?

They need a "like this" button in the forum so I don't have to post, lol.
I often run herja and either maria or aphro... one of 'em has to have a boosted spirit in case she gets changed out for a DD or such.
I'd like to give zeke a try, but he just won't die.