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Ok, its easy to delete a sanctification but which ones? It would seem that even if you had a Blue Sanc with a high HP you would keep it. Also, Hit Morale Block Break Etc. are the needs for them say more important than HP or Skill attack? I just don't know which ones to leave. I had a Crit 15 yellow on my main and spent 500 gems to delete for a yellow HP. Good or bad?
Is there some place to go for like a legend that shows which hero needs which Sanctify.
Shattz, Server 9
Iirc, crit is one of the best saints. Definitely delete morale, blue saints, and magic resist on your pvp toons. Magic damage is hardly seen in the pvp meta.Quote:
Originally Posted by freemont_wally_2746212
And yes, yellow HP saints are great, but so is hit rating on someone like maria or adam, and especially shayd and aphrodite (the banish toons). Crit is especially good on lance, but also is good on theseus and other strikers. And yes, skill attack is good, but I also heard that block rating reduces more damage than skill defense (dunno if that is true or not). Resilience is also great, for is reduces the chance of enemy crits.
I always thought the sainthoods differ from hero to hero as far as what is best and what is not so good. Also thought a PVP changed when the others have certain saints, equipment, runes and stars on their guys. All can be seen and tested against in Rankings. Thought each formation and their strengths/weaknesses were different. Example, sometimes people have stun heroes hitting first to get early lead, while others protect them thinking the longer they live the better. All formations have strengths and weaknesses. Key I would think would be to defend against strengths and exploit weaknesses. No?
I personally might go to the Rankings right after a refresh to see a players strengths and weaknesses in order to find best formation and set up to best win. This works well if finishing Ragnarok, and preparing for GWs. Always thought that they gave us that ten minutes to set things up so took advantage if GWs were going to be closer one.
"Every wall has cracks in them, where you see the weakest crack is best spot to hit first and hardest."
Black_Dragon Dec. 31st 2014
This is my opinion only. I don't say I know more then anyone else. Just saying what I think. Might be right might be wrong each person has free will to decide your own opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Black_Dragon_6006670
Thanks, Black_Dragon
Critical, resilience, hit rate, dodge, block, and break are the best for physical heroes in my opinion.
Hit rate is premium for mages and maria.
Maybe I'm missing something, but in PVP, once you're even a little far into the game, you should be doing Skill Attacks every round, no? If that is the case, then why would Block and Break be viable for any heroes?
the part that i dont understand is that i think to recall you in the 8th finally a few times or close to it and why a strong player like you would ask questions like this unless english (like myself) isnt your first language and you maybe thinking about rephrasing it?
Not sure about break, but block doesn't just block, it also reduces the damage taken. Not a ton, but enough to be useful IMHO. Now..I'm basing that statement on the resistance rune, and not the sanctification. I'm going on the assumption they work the same. When I win a lottery I'll experiment. =)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevz95
Thanks everyone, I did get some good thoughts/ideas. I will be checking back to see any other posts added here. Kaisim, Not sure what or who you are talking about.
Shattz
Why would you do that!? That is not bad, that is terrible!Quote:
Originally Posted by freemont_wally_2746212
If you are unsure always ask and why in your right mind would you spend 500 gems to remove a sanct unleass it is blue. No matter what the blue sanct is you should remove them if you want to remove something!
You will need Doge and Break for HR Heroic realm.. and Quests...
This is where you ask Dave, is there another place? And The costs of(500) gems to remove anything on your main who is at its max is 500 gems. So the question is what Sanctifications are better and worse for your main. From reading some posts here it sounds like mages Hit for Maria is key. Im thinking for non Mage hero's what's best. Say you have a yellow Morale on ur main and after 20 attempts to sanctify (internet thing) all you can gain is a blue skill attack. Im thinking the blue Skill attack is worth keeping, Right? OR is the Morale golden here. Just askin.
if i had the gems to remove sancts then morale would be the first to remove. top keeper to me is critical along with damage, dodge, resilience, block. i think that HP on the main is overrated.
Thanks Kaisim.... Any other thoughts out there. Wish Blayd Fleur Avalaria (big guys) could offer up a tid bit or two... lol plz Anyone.
Thanks Perawind and Black_Dragon, from what I hear what you are saying is right. If there is anyone out there that knows dif please post. I am to the point in the game where im soon maxed and deleting sanctifications and going from 17 to 18 purple stars is all I have left to do. So getting stronger is by finding out which hero's need what powers most. Im sure its a combination for each.
Shattz "Light of Ra" server 9
i am sorry and hate myself for pointing this out again and please dont get me wrong; i am not trying to offend you but i would have expected you to know enough at this point where you are in the game to not have to ask this question. so for your main the first sancts you want to loose on it as far as i have seen (and remember) is the morale and the blue sancts. since you are aware of the cheat and obviously using it, i would suggest to remove several sancts from your main at once and in the future only take sancts that you desire/need or where it succeeds at only 1 card and then remove right away to keep the costs lowerQuote:
Originally Posted by freemont_wally_2746212
Gotcha Kaisim. Yes crazy to delete a Crit Yellow never did that but ur right I wrote that. But, I respectfully would disagree that all yellows are golden. Like Morale Yellow for your main, Im thinking dump for a purple Hit, Crit, Attacks (both), Resilience, HP. Im even thinking a high enough Blue in the above sanctifications would be better than any color Morale for Main Hero but im not 100% sure if that is so or which others (thinking Magic Def.) are worth the 500 gems to dump. I am asking for input and you are taking your time to answer, Thanks.
Shattz
Morale is the most useless sanct. Remove that one first. At least the blue ones provide some sort of value. As for some sort of hierarchy for non-mages
1. Critical
2. Skill Attack
3. Dodge
4. Resilience
5. Hit Rating
6. Skill Defense
7. Physical Defense
8. Block
9. HP
10. Break
11. Physical Attack
12. Magic Defense
13. Morale
I think thats pretty fair for most non-mages. obviously stuff like skill defense would be better for tanks like QP, but you get the idea.
Also, don't accept any blue sancts, not worth the cards, nor the gems to get rid of later on. If you're at maxed on most heroes, try to aim for only gold sancts. Since you use the disconnect trick (totally my first time hearing about it.....) you can change the sancts. If you test 5 cards combined and it says you would get a blue sanct. You can use one card first, then 5 combined after, and the sanct would change. so i heard.
i dont agree with your tactic, i for example think that your hit rating influences your crit rating (i can't prove it and base that on observations i have done and comments from others), purple and blue crits are better than no crit, think about it, even 2 purple 7 crit equal a golden 14 crit. i value physical damage over skill damage. resilience is great for stun and critical resistance, think about it, a stunned main doesnt do damage and a critical hit main dies faster, if not one shot and doesnt give you the attack damage bonus anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by freemont_wally_2746212
HP to me is overrated on mains unless you use your main as a meatshield then they will do excellent with it and are very tough to beat.
magic resist is great in HR but once that is done, its seldom needed in PVP. yes there is some nice magical attackers like aphro for example but they also miss a lot. last but not least you should not forget that magic resist and magic defense are NOT the same.
Kevz95 Thanks, but I would have to agree with Kaisim here... Even though Kaisim is a bit rough in his responses (just a little..lol) I would say he is right on. Adding to Kaisims comments below on magic defense, I find that it isn't needed all the time unless you have some heroic, quest or a PVP player has stunners or magic attacks. SO if you have weak magic defense Sanctifications dump it/them and start building magic defense runes to off-set your weakness. When you start getting maxed in this game (so to speak) you will find that building runes on the side is very beneficial. This helps to off set your Sanctifications you are weak in. With this said about Magic Defense im not 100% sure it doest do more than assist in aiding in taking stuns and Magic attacks. So I build a few level 12 Magic Defense runes to replace Skill/Phys defense runes as needed.
thx for the flowers ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by freemont_wally_2746212
i have to add that stunning is not influenced by magic attack, therefore magic defense (from runes) does not influence your magic stun resistance but magic resistance (hero capabilities) does. i also did point out and can only repeat myself that magic defense is usefull in HR and quests and most of the times not needed in PVP. therefore in my humble opinion magic defense on main heroes is usefull in lower and medium game play but has to go after you reached the endgame and needs to make space for more usefull sancts.
Kaisim/Anyone I do think after a little testing (not a lot) that in PVP (CW) when my opponent is a stunner (Not Cianna or Thucydides, non Mage stunners) I dump Physical or Skill Def. Runes and add up to 4 Magic Def runes on at least 4 toons (Heros) and see better results. Because hits/stuns/crit. etc. are sporadic its hard to tell for sure. I do feel it cuts down on stuns..You say?Quote:
Originally Posted by kaisim_2492829
Shattz
stun rate is not related with magic attack or resistance. however, the higher your magic resist is, the higher the chance that bryn, aphro and shayd will miss you and if they miss they will not be able to stun in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by freemont_wally_2746212
Just for the relevance of saints, I think this should be stickied. And also because I've searched for it like a dozen times! There's some folks that think dodge is useless, so maybe we can get some feedback on what saints others think are best.
Best and the use of each sanctified hero has an opposite one except for the HP and Morale ones. Example Critical has a counter of Resilience, Dodge counter is Hit Rating, Block counter is Break, Physical Attack has Physical Defense, Skill Attack has Skill Defense, and Magic Attack has Magic Defense. If an opponent uses Critical a lot it is their strength so one must counter it with the Resilience.
As stated before I believe all characters, and the formations have strengths and weaknesses. So to win PVP or any fight for that matter you need to counter the strengths and exploit the weaknesses of their formations and characters.
Also there is limits to the sanctified hero. Example the maximum of 15 is limit for Block, Dodge, Resilience, Break, and Morale. While the maximum for the others varies slightly they are higher numbers.
I've seen players who will make one attribute lower thinking the other ones will become stronger. Unsure if this is true, but do know that if a player puts all the sanctification towards one thing they are easy to defeat if you counter the right way. Not all characters are best fully loaded with critical if they have no hit rating one can raise their block to stop the hit in first place if they don't have any break and use resilience to stop the critical all together. Balance yet build more off their strengths from beginning found on the cards Tynon provides is what I think best.
Watching fights in CW does give people an idea of what does best, but have noticed players tend to copy them and suddenly everyone is using Maria, yet don't fully understand all there is about that hero.
I've found it is best to READ the cards Tynon has given us to see what each hero is best at and you can either build on it like I'm going to do or fill the weak spots. Example; Queen Brynhildr card states she is: Talent - Skill Resistant 30% to start. 25 Hit Rating, 20 Dodge. Skill Defense is high at start and Mage Defense is low. I put her in front to absorb the skill attacks many use the first round of fighting and build her Skill defenses up more. Plus build more on her Hit Rating and Dodge as she starts with these and I've seen when placing more on these it seems to be best. Each hero has different starting attributes and the cards show these and their weaknesses, right?
My opinions and I'll stick to them.
How many of you guys actually crunched numbers and playtested results, because I have.
I can say for certain that break is absolutely worthless most of the time. It doesn't counter block, so therefore the damage reduction from the block stays the same. How did I test this, I did 20 battles with and without break (reliability rune). The damage was so much within the margin of error that it was nearly identical with and without.
Dodge is worthless, unless you get enough dodge saints to crack the higher hit rating threshold in runes. For some reason hit rating runes max out at 220 while dodge maxes out at 180... And unless you have enough dodge to compensate for the difference your opponents will always hit you in end game cw.
Critical is good, because it is easier to crack the resilience threshold for many opponents and it does good damage.
Resilience saints are good, because critical has a higher threshold because of the 25 crit set bonus from sirius and champions that have innate crit bonues.
A couple of hit rating saints are good, because it prevents the occasional dodge saint stacker from dodging often. I usually only like 2 hit rating saints max.
I'm not certain on how much better or worse block 15 is compared to physical/skill defense 1400+. Never go without a fully leveled block rune though.
Morale is useless, ditch that saint as soon as you see it.
Magic attack is okish on Maria, useless on Queen B.
Physical defense and skill defense offer about the same amount of damage reduction against skill attacks. I treat them as equals. Again, playtested by removing and adding back burliness/flintiness runes.
I'm not familiar with magic defense vs. miss rate of mages, that said if you could get 25 hit rating saints on Queen B, do it. Ok, I exaggerate much, but hit rating on Queen B is really good.
Physical attack/skill attack offer about the same amount of damage, I treat them as equals.
HP, I'm not certain how good HP is relative to block/defense type tankiness. Would it be better to have 10 5000+ HP saints on Queen B, or 10 1400+ def saints and or block on Queen B... That is the question. HP is best on tanks like Queen B and Zeke obviously.
For CW, unless you have the dodge to overcome the superior hit rating amount from runes, ditch the dodge runes for a flintiness or burliness, whichever you don't use at this time.