Haze members "Rage" booted.

[Skrubs]

At around 4:30 server time, (right after Ba'al) BIGBADMICK rage quit and booted several players from the guild Haze.

BIGBADMICK was the Vice Host of Haze and wished to start a guild of his own, or join somewhere else. He could not get anyone to go with him, so he threatened to close the guild and began kicking the higher level players with the most power. Several players kicked were not even online at the time. Those players are now robbed of all of their guild contributions, and will have to go through the trouble of being re-invited. Not only was BIGBADMICK toxic in the act of trying to dismantle the guild, he was toxic in the sense that he has undone the work that those kicked players committed to the guild.

I'm asking for a Game Operator to perhaps look at the players who were kicked by BIGBADMICK and re-instate them. Also, restore their guild contributions. If they wish to leave it should be up to them. They should not lose what they have accomplished because of a player's inappropriate, sophomoric, immature, and toxic behavior.

I also appeal to the Game Operators to inact some type of punishment on BIGBADMICK for his actions. Such destructive behavior should be a bannable offense. We need not know what actions are taken, but a PILLORY would seem to be in order. It needs to be known that such behavior will not be tolerated in this game. Too many people invest too much time to let this happen.

To those in the communnity: It may not seem like a big deal to you that his happened. You might even find it funny. But beware BIGBADMICK and players like him. If this behavior goes unchecked, you could find yourself in the same situation when you log in tomorrow. Please, do not support players who behave like this.

To those who were kicked: If the Game Operators are unable to assist us in bringing you home, please contact Frank and get re-invited. I know that it really sucks that you've been robbed of your contributions, but we miss you in blue chat. If you choose to go elsewhere, I guess I understand, but we'd really like to see you come back to us.

[Darkz]

Sorry to hear that but let's be honest....this happens all the time in Evony. It is just how the game is played, and that Vice Host position should be taken very seriously as it is in Evony too.

[Skrubs]

Sorry to hear that but let's be honest....this happens all the time in Evony. It is just how the game is played, and that Vice Host position should be taken very seriously as it is in Evony too.

It shouldn't happen there either. The game needs oversight. The game needs rules. The game does not need players who do things like this. The only way the toxic players are dealt with is if both the Game Operators and Community don't allow it. A pillory that shows that people are punished and what they are punished for works for other games and would work here as well. It not only shows that rules will be enforced, the repeat offenders can be avoided by others in the community. Also, if infractions are severe enough IPs can be banned. It starts with the community and ends with the Game Operators. If the community wants a fairly played game without douchebaggery, they need to make it known. If then, the Game Operators, don't comply people will either leave the game, or accept this behavior as the norm. Evony is broken now with all of the toxic players and people who break the rules because there is no enforcement. Don't let that happen here. This is a pretty cool game, don't the the few bad eggs carry such a heavy influence on whether or not others want to play the game. Leave that up to the game. That's how I feel about it, I accept that others will have differing opinions, I just don't understand how anyone wants to play with a person who acts in such a way.

[Skrubs]

So if the Vice Host of UpRising says, "Okay guys, I'm making another guild. You guys come with me." You would expect everyone to follow? When they say, "I'm leaving and I'm closing the guild." and proceed to kick members, that's ok? That's what your Host would want? It's betrayal. It's being an a$$hole in the face of rage. Your concept is illogical. If the Vice President says, "Yeah, I'm going to start a new country, come with me." and proceeds to begin to kill high ranking government officials is that then ok? I realize that my comparison is extreme, but it has to be in order to drive home the point. It was a deliberate action performed by a toxic player. It was not called for, nor was it appreciated. My plea is to set right what has been wronged and to hold the person responsible for his actions. Is there no honor? I do realize that this is a game, I'm just appalled at the overall degradation of people's sense of morals and decency. This is the time to say that we do not want this type of behavior in our game. This is the time to make the rules clear. That's why we are here, right? To test the game, give feedback, and try to make this game the best it can be?

*Steps down from soapbox, having make my point clear.

[Darkz]

You cannot control this behavior at all. EVIL is right, you are TRUSTING that individual as the VICE HOST of your guild. If that person betrays you then that sucks, but that's part of the game too. If you take away the ability to kick from the Vice Host then guilds will eventually have even more problems.

[Skrubs]

Seeing as I AM the HOST of UpRising, that would make my host who? Maybe you need better hosts? Point blank, I'm gonna tell you that it's who you know, not how fast they grow. What I mean is, just because you got a player that's 1,250,000 power, doesn't mean they are worthy for a position of leadership. If you want to compare this to the Caribbean Pirates... ARGH! Ye' be needin' ta' chose yerselves a better capt'in matey! LAND HO!

I just hope that you don't log in one day and see that your guild has been cleared by a rogue vice. If you have one that is.

This is not about who promoted him, or why he was promoted. I don't know any of that. I'm not the Host. No one expects this to happen.

[Nix]

It does happen and has happened in other games, we have all seen it. The game operators will not likely intervene, it becomes up to the community to 'punish' the behaviour.

[Skrubs]

If that person betrays you then that sucks, but that's part of the game too. If you take away the ability to kick from the Vice Host then guilds will eventually have even more problems.

The point is that we should not allow this to be a part of the game. There should be consequences. That's what this thread is about.

[Darkz]

Skrubs you dont understand. and YOUR HOST was the one that promoted him to VICE host...seeing he is the only one with that power. One of the major roles of making someone a vice host is so they have the power to kick people. I WANT that power for my Vice Hosts....what if there is some crazy nub spamming chat? BOOM. Kicked. Even when I am not online. Or when the guild is full and we need to make space for a friend. BOOM. The friend is in. Even when I am not online. The point is, I like this BOOM, and without this kicking ability, Vice Hosts are not BOOM. They are SPLAT.

[Skrubs]

It's you that doesn't understand. I'm not saying that Vice Host should not be able to kick people.

I'm saying this:
1. This has happened.
2. Beware of the toxic player, BIGBADMICK.
3. It would be cool if the players who were rage booted didn't suffer the consequences of actions that they could not control.
4. This is the time for the community to come forward and say, "No" to this type of behavior.
5. There should be support from Game Operators to ensure that douchebaggery does not become the norm.

It's not about other games. It's not about what we've seen in the past. Just because we are used to people being jerks, doesn't mean we should have to tolerate it. I'm sure that by now, people see me as a crybaby and have mumbled or said, "Just quit then..." I don't understand that attitude. It's always ok until it happens to you. Let's make sure that it doesn't happen to anyone. It is within the power of the Game Operators to hear complaints, check into the issue and administer punishment as the/she sees fit. That's what I'm asking about. That's what this post is here for. No one would ever appoint a Vice Host and expect that hey get a bug up their butt and try to ruin a guild. To place the blame for BIGBADMICK's actions on anyone other than himself is wrong. It's not the Host's fault that they kid flipped out. Nor is it any of the members that got kicked. Nor is it the fault of the game or function of the Vice Host position. It is the fault of BIGBADMICK. It becomes our fault as the Tynon community if we allow this type of stuff to happen. It becomes the fault of the Game Operators if they allow these types of things happen.

I'm merely making the community aware of what happened and asking for any assistance available for those affected. I'm asking that we take part in the formation of a punishment system. I do not how I can be more clear than that. I'm not going to debate this issue any further, because it's becoming a distraction from the point of the thread.

Discussion about how to go about resolving issues like this is encouraged. If you want to argue semantics or don't understand what I'm trying to say, send me a forum PM.