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[Bubba87]

The only people I see in this thread complaining, are the ones who regularly enjoyed the 10,000k payout.

Take me today, I got the final hit on Baal before the "rage" sequence. I didn't win the reward it went to a smaller player and you know what? I thought that was awesome. Why should the top players get everything. Every day there are people complaining that they can't achieve anything because the big spenders/players have it all. Something has been done to spice the game up a bit giving everyone a fair chance and now some are moaning because they aren't getting an easy ride anymore.

Saying one game does this so Tynon should, is a bit like comparing stores. Both stores might sell the same basic product, however they might sell different brands. Games like Tynon all might be similar but each has their unique gameplay.

That thought right there is the root of the frustration. Why should it be spiced up by making it completely up to chance? Thats not spice, thats stupidity. And as I have said, winning last hit is about a lot more then the "big spenders," so lets drop that argument. Sure people complain about the coiners getting an unfair advantage, but thats because they are jealous of their power. Last hit has never been solely about power. Sure it helps, but there was a lot more to it then that, and it was very easy for people not even in the top 10 to get if they new what they were doing.

And for the record, last hit never was an easy ride. And do you have any idea how little 10mil buys for people after a certain level? Its hard enough to get coins enough to upgrade runes, and now it has become even harder.

And the fact that you as a Mod are belittling our legitimate concerns as "moaning" is unprofessional and uncalled for. I understand you don't work for the company, but as a Mod you do have authority, and therefore should attempt to be unbiased. If you wish to criticize our concerns, perhaps you should give up the Mod role.

[mattp169]

That thought right there is the root of the frustration. Why should it be spiced up by making it completely up to chance? Thats not spice, thats stupidity. And as I have said, winning last hit is about a lot more then the "big spenders," so lets drop that argument. .

I agree unfortunatley most people who play this game are clueless it appears and complain and complain until Tynon nerfs the game further and further until its no different then a crappy fb game.

STOP CHANGING THE RULES OF A GAME AFTER ITS LIVE

FIX THE BUGS
ie -point D does not heal
level 5 city buff
clouds on screen
heroic realms dont load properly all the time
disconnect while in rune temple
fights lock up in Heavens Palace and you lose out on your card flip

I THINK THERE ARE ENOUGH ACTUALLY FIXES NEEDED THAT YOU DONT NEED TO WASTE TIME FIXING SOMETHING THAT WAS NEVER BROKE

And the fact that you as a Mod are belittling our legitimate concerns as "moaning" is unprofessional and uncalled for. I understand you don't work for the company, but as a Mod you do have authority, and therefore should attempt to be unbiased. If you wish to criticize our concerns, perhaps you should give up the Mod role.

Agreed, the MODS are being too biased in the threads, and morgana isn't the only one.

I got an idea how about we have Moderator roulette. It will be just like the 10m coins. When you log into forums you sit there and wait 2 mins for nothing and some random person is appointed as a moderator.

Oh wait that wouldnt be fair because the MODS have volunteered to be mods, and have worked as being mods and deserve to be mods.

Kind of like how some people have paid for tehir power, and worked for tehir power in the game and studied the game mechanics to use their skills and knowledge to get final hit on the world boss,

[Morgan le Fay]

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am complaining very loudly and only got final hit ONCE!

Kyleena is allowed to complain, she deserves to get the final hit, she is the best player in her realm - and she didn't get to be the best by just

I've actually won the final hit at least 4 times, but who's counting.

Everyone is allowed to their opinion, I never said she couldn't complain. All I said it was the ones who regularly got the 10,000k reward were moaning the loudest.

That thought right there is the root of the frustration. Why should it be spiced up by making it completely up to chance? Thats not spice, thats stupidity. And as I have said, winning last hit is about a lot more then the "big spenders," so lets drop that argument. Sure people complain about the coiners getting an unfair advantage, but thats because they are jealous of their power. Last hit has never been solely about power. Sure it helps, but there was a lot more to it then that, and it was very easy for people not even in the top 10 to get if they new what they were doing.

I agree about the use if heroes, runes and power. However, the top 10 players gain extra rewards for being placed in the top 10. The top 3 get equipment plans as bonuses. If you are a small player you don't stand a chance of gaining any of these, so the random chance of hitting the WB gives them more of an incentive to join in. Wasn't too long ago players were complaining not enough people were taking part in these events.

Incidentally I referred to big spenders/players, rather than just big spenders alone. You don't need to spend vast amount of $$ to do well in this game.

[Dawnseeker]

Morgan, I disagree with this.

The way this game is designed is based on Wartune.

The boss fights are killed by a person who gets the boss's HP to zero.

There is no random element involved.

It's skill and timing and careful observation.

Of course the lucky hits will come, but those people who have put a lot of effort and money into dishing out the most damage they can, will and should have a bigger chance of getting the Boss kill reward.

This game is not based on Wartune or any other game. We always intended for a random player to be able to take the boss, however the precise reporting of his health made it possible for high level players to time their attacks to get the kill reliably, leaving other players with no chance whatsoever. The random element was largely gone. This change intends to fix that, and it looks like it has.

Worst improvement ever, may be time to contact paypal. This is not the game I paid to play

This is indeed the same game. I understand that not everyone will like every game but at no time have we ever indicated that the game would stop changing. This is the same with any game in the MMO space. No game stays the same forever, or even for very long. That's not a reasonable expectation to have.

In fact, our promise and our commitment is that the game will continue to change to keep pace with our players. We'll keep adding new content, adding new activities and meeting the needs of our players. It will never stop as long as we're here! We look at Tynon not as just a product, but as a service, and we're going to keep moving forward. We hope you'll stay with us, but if you choose to leave, don't let it be because you didn't know things would be changing!

[mattp169]

This game is not based on Wartune or any other game. We always intended for a random player to be able to take the boss, however the precise reporting of his health made it possible for high level players to time their attacks to get the kill reliably, leaving other players with no chance whatsoever. The random element was largely gone. This change intends to fix that, and it looks like it has.

NO IT HAS NOT
EVERYONE HAD AN EQUAL CHANCE BEFORE. It was in fact the bigger players that made it random. When a player can average 750k hits and someone is trying to stalk the final hit and that player gets a 2M hit suddenly throws the calculations of those stalkers off. I have seen plenty of "small" and non coiners get final hit the old way. It was a challenge to try and get it and there was plenty of randomness

This is indeed the same game. I understand that not everyone will like every game but at no time have we ever indicated that the game would stop changing. This is the same with any game in the MMO space.

No game stays the same forever, or even for very long. That's not a reasonable expectation to have.

In fact, our promise and our commitment is that the game will continue to change to keep pace with our players. We'll keep adding new content, adding new activities and meeting the needs of our players. It will never stop as long as we're here! We look at Tynon not as just a product, but as a service, and we're going to keep moving forward. We hope you'll stay with us, but if you choose to leave, don't let it be because you didn't know things would be changing!

That is a load of business speak. Where are these things ever posted before the fact. NO where have I seen the INTENTION of the designers for how things will work. In fact they do all they can to ignore questions , to explain game mechanics and I have even seen out right deception by some in the forum. We keep asking questions that go unanswered forever. SO if you want to say this is the way WE INTENDED IT TO BE. Take 10 mins and post HOW THE GAME IS SUPPOSE TO BE ACCORDING TO THE DEVELOPERS.

STOP FIXING THINGS THAT WE LIKED AND FIX WHAT IS BROKE

[VatoLoco]

The change with the Cerb/Baal boss is good. If the developers ORIGINAL intention was to give the 10M randomly, as runes are given randomly and Tavern results are quite random except for certain VIP players who spend gems to flip more cards, then this is simply being consistent with the way the game runs. The way it worked for the longest time was the #1 or #2 player always got the final blow. 95% of the time is "always" - don't give me that crap about "everyone has a chance"... that is a bunch of bull at this point of the game. Early on, perhaps... Now? Heck no! It's quite obvious that the only ones complaining about this change are the people who rank top 3 in the Boss events. The top player in this that is complaining here the most gets over 13M in gold from the damage done to baal or cerb each time. That is 26 Mil gold coins per day. Does that 10M each event have to be yours each time as well? Are you really THAT greedy? What is wrong with a little random in this so that the wealth is spread out?

And the comments about skill and such? What skill is there in camping out waiting to hit when the numbers are low? And what skill is there in spending 2 or 4 or however many gems on that last "instant revive" click? It's the same as the glitch that existed with the Noble Lady - timing her disappearance to click on her to get the maximum benefit prior to anyone else. Make it random and keep it that way. If you don't like it, then don't participate in those events. I don't like Pirates so I don't participate in that at all. I sure don't like supplementing the mega-coiner's map needs and I get what I need from guild wars in terms of those 10 points I don't get making a sail.

And Dawnseeker has a great comment to make to those of you who are howling the most - if you don't like it don't the door hit you on the way out! If you don't like it, don't participate! Yeah right, I know you'll be there to collect your rewards LOL! Now of course I have some harsh words about something else in the game - but not on this. And even on that other stuff, I have my own fix for it. I won't participate in those things that I do not like. That won't stop me from enjoying the parts of this game that I do like but it will decrease the time I spend playing.

[mattp169]

Why would the chance of someone who has put a lot of effort and money into the game be equal to one who does not?
It doesn't make sense.

EXACTLY, Why work hard when someone who doesn't work as hard has the same likely hood to get the rewards as me.

[VatoLoco]

And Matt and Kyleena? Who made you judge, jury and executioner? (well executioners probably LOL!) Who are you to judge who did and who did not put effort, time and care into their game? In fact, coiners put less effort into their game. Those who coin less or not at all have to work much harder in order to do better in this game.

[mattp169]

And Matt and Kyleena? Who made you judge, jury and executioner? (well executioners probably LOL!) Who are you to judge who did and who did not put effort, time and care into their game? In fact, coiners put less effort into their game. Those who coin less or not at all have to work much harder in order to do better in this game. Now why don't we start extrapolating on eye color and hair color and skin color while we are at it? Maybe socioeconomic status, too? Let's go there, you are right on the cusp...

Oh please - I saw plenty for non coiners win final hit, which is a testament to how well they played, but why should someone who logs in and does not try get the last hit. That can now happen. You could literally create 50 alt accts and just log them in for realm boss now to minimize the chances of others from getting the final hit.

And now that it is TOTALLY RANDOM who is to say the same people wont randomly get it over and over and over. Just like some people totally randomly get next to no legendary heroes in the tavern or no yellow runes in the temple while others get plenty. You know that total randomness (runes and tavern) in the game draws lots of ire and complaints in the forums, now that something else is totally random - total randomness is a good thing? Please!

This change is horrible and ruins the game experience for all. Just like almost every single change to teh game mechanics has done to this game. This entire patch is horrible. There's not 1 thing about it I like. In fact it is so bad I am thinking of quitting because it is ruining the game.

And yes Kyleena and I get to be judge because its our game that is effected, just like its your and everyone else's - so we all get to be judge and jury and executioner on this matter. And by my count there are more people disliking this change then who like it.

[Morgan le Fay]

And this is where Morgan steps in to remind everyone that passion is good but the bashing needs to stop.

Play nicely guys otherwise I'm closing this thread.