New boss drops are fail...

[mattp169]

Irrational line of argument. Since the same people winning the same old useless sword drops just keep banging away and bogarting the top 3 positions, selling the surplus sword plans for a few coins (even less than the cost of the apprentice gear!) and just collect reputation and merge-gems and NEVER EVER let their own people advance around them who might actually need a sword plan or two.

THIS IS THE END Of this GAME. People are seeing now that its a dead ended game design that does not balance, does not reward and looks more like a failed liberal social justice ideology than it looks like cogent and rational game design with a well thought out advancement strategy. MOST are quitting it out of boredom now. EPIC FAIL.

yet you are still here posting in the forums

[DaBooMan]

So what is being said is to step down from top spots which the people there have spent cash to get there to let other people advance for free? Nice business plan. Award the people who coin less over the heavier coiners

[mattp169]

So what is being said is to step down from top spots which the people there have spent cash to get there to let other people advance for free? Nice business plan. Award the people who coin less over the heavier coiners

Well honestly thats the opinions of alot of people on the forums it seems, but as you said somewhere, that probably wasnt the point UCool had., They want to slow you down. Which is why I havent been trying to beat the second envoy since I heard about this patch in beta. I still needed a few more guardian plans, and somehow have gotten 2 of the ones I need from Baal/cerebus - 1 cloak and 1 relic. Unfortunately Ive gotten more swords then you can shake a stick at and a helm and chestguard I didn't need.

I honestly like the idea of how the plan level is determined. This gives us control, and allows us to strategically choose which level plan we get from WB. I wish this was in effect from day 1.

I just think that the actual plan that is chosen is a joke. And I feel bad for people just like you boo and others who are stuck at a boss they cant beat and the last boss they beat gives out only swords and staves. This is the major flaw with this method. The plan should be chosen from a combination of the last 2 bosses beat.

[Andy]

Now the focus is away from the plan drops and players shouldn't be getting light bringers and Justice long before they unlock areas needed to farm for materials.

Mi point exactly. It should be based on how far along the path you are and what materials you can farm and not what HR bosses you have defeated. HR bosses do not give you materials, only plans. If I can get the plans from them what is the point on also getting them from WB?

[nolansco_5578848]

i agree, what on earth is the point of getting a sword plans drop for coming first in the kill, if you didn't have sword plans, what is the likelihood of you having come first? The clue is in the word 'reward', it means you should gain something more than the sale value of useless plans. Tynon, its time you hired some adults who can think things through for you

[dourdim_4949350]

I finish in top 3 almost every time I fight a WB, and I am okay with this change. The level 3 gem that I get up to twice a day (let alone the level 4 that the top person gets twice a day) is enough of an advantage that we don't need the full ironheart set before being able to get to the ih heroic bosses or farm the ih mats. If you've gotten everything you need from all the bosses you can beat, you need to get cracking on that next boss soon anyway. That's how the game is designed. Can't rely on WB to give you a free pass. Just because you were one of the three or so people in each realm enjoying this tremendous advantage does not mean it should or will stay that way forever.

You just gain another chance at a needed plan if you play it right, it is what it is. It's still worthwhile, that extra chance could save you days of frustration if you are lucky. Also, in my experience, the "most recent" heroic boss you beat appears to be calculated as of midnight reset time. I realized this when I got a guardian relic drop even though Plague Prof. was the only heroic boss I had beaten all day. I suspect this was because Fuego was the last heroic boss I had beaten prior to the most recent midnight reset.

[DaBooMan]

The reason we get plans long before we can farm for them is because ucool not made the maps yet.
I get a coming soon sign if I try farm justice not because my power is to low but again because I am waiting. I have asked if I could swap these useless plans for relics but response is new boss drops will help In this matter.
To get to the point of relics in heroic I need to get to around 2b power. Great way to slow progress while putting new content out.

Rather than beat around the bush lets just say that ucool wants to slow progress of their heavier coiners for some reason

[RiverBummer]

I finish in top 3 almost every time I fight a WB, and I am okay with this change. The level 3 gem that I get up to twice a day (let alone the level 4 that the top person gets twice a day) is enough of an advantage that we don't need the full ironheart set before being able to get to the ih heroic bosses or farm the ih mats. If you've gotten everything you need from all the bosses you can beat, you need to get cracking on that next boss soon anyway. That's how the game is designed. Can't rely on WB to give you a free pass. Just because you were one of the three or so people in each realm enjoying this tremendous advantage does not mean it should or will stay that way forever.

You just gain another chance at a needed plan if you play it right, it is what it is. It's still worthwhile, that extra chance could save you days of frustration if you are lucky. Also, in my experience, the "most recent" heroic boss you beat appears to be calculated as of midnight reset time. I realized this when I got a guardian relic drop even though Plague Prof. was the only heroic boss I had beaten all day. I suspect this was because Fuego was the last heroic boss I had beaten prior to the most recent midnight reset.

So you are happy with being nerfed to just 1/3 of the prior award?

I need to start a similar business where I can get such loyal following clients that are fine with having a radical reduction in payout/benefit after hooking everyone on the time and investment up front then later changing the odds and the max you can win. Kind of reminds me of the the frequent flier program where after traveling for years to get to the 1Mill mile club they say you can't redeem the tickets except when there's seating available in 2nd class on off-season days due to cost increases in fuel and stock holder profit expectations.

[mattp169]

I was reading some post in here somewhere and it made me realize something and a way to make everyone happier.

The plan you get is determined now by the highest level boss you have ever beaten in HR. Not the last one you beat.

But if it were the last one you beat - that would be better. Then WB would be like getting a second chance for a drop on a boss you want

SO say you have beaten The second envoy and have no desire to get another Iron sword/staff. But you need guard relics YOu can go fight and beat Baron Fugo before WB and if you place 1-3 you get a drop from Baron fugo not The second Envoy.

Finally an idea that makes sense. Ok Dawn lets make this happen

[Herby]

The plan you get is determined by how far you have progressed through Heroic Realms.

The new system works very well and is very fair.

Why keep on complaining?

Just accept it and move on