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Thread: Hero's Tavern is rigged!!

  1. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by Toth View Post
    I think it's rigged, too, but I don't mind: Every time I get jipped out of that purple or gold hero, 2 points are added to my spirits. Soon, I can just buy the hero I want. I already almost 400 spirits, due to gambling in there too much
    I wish I would get those 2 points ... I received 18 points and then it stopped dead; no points for Shayd, Calvin, etc. when they appear. I sent a note to Tynon support but they're write-only.

    Quote Originally Posted by xBarbie View Post
    All im going to say is customer is always right. something this game needs to learn.
    If the customer were always right then we would all be in first place.

    Quote Originally Posted by michaeljschultz_6309330 View Post
    It is true that you have a 20% chance of success with just one pull of your five pieces of paper. ... The sincere impression people are getting is that wherever the desired card is, if you pick it, the program will move it somewhere else.
    ... BTW, for those who say that this is gambling, then Tynon may be breaking federal law by not posting what the odds are for any risk.
    a) No, it's not at all true that you have a 20% chance of success ... you have whatever chance is programmed in. b) There are no "cards" and nothing "moves" ... there are just pixels on the screen, and the exact same graphical sequence occurs every time, like an animated GIF. There is no correlation whatsoever between what you see on the screen and what hero you get (or what you win in all the other "selection" sequences). c) It's not gambling ... you never get your money back, so it's a purchase. And there's nothing remotely illegal about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mjolnir View Post
    Tynon, probability - my rear end!
    If this was probability (chance) having a 20% chance of pulling a card i want, means if i try for a 100 times i have the possibility of getting it right 20 times out of that 100. Let me tell you that for someone who has tried for many hundreds of times i have NOT even come close. Second point, ascending to VIP 5 and being able to select 3 cards out of 5 means I have a 60% chance, yes that’s right that great than 50%, guess what losers not even close!
    Tynon's proclamation that it's chance, I say BULL$HIT! - It's rigged. it's meant to make u waist money. Think about it why else can you buy 2 mil credits with a whopping 100 gems.

    Deep math fail. It is probability, but the probability is not 20%. That should be obvious ... it baffles me that people think that, because there are 5 cards on the screen, the odds are 1 in 5, as if they were physical cards and there were a physical shuffle ... when in fact it's stunningly obvious that nothing is being shuffled, the cards move around in exactly the same way every time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mjolnir View Post
    Second point, ascending to VIP 5 and being able to select 3 cards out of 5 means I have a 60% chance, yes that’s right that great than 50%, guess what losers not even close!
    No, you do not have a 60% chance of anything. If fewer than 3 good heroes are showing, you're throwing your money away to flip 3 cards, because you'll most likely flip the 3 crap heroes. Only if 3 are showing should you pay to flip 3 cards, in which case you're guaranteed to get one of the good ones.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir_Killian View Post
    By law of probability, I should have gotten at least one Legendary Hero even if it was by dumb luck
    No, you misunderstand the laws of probability. Even if the odds were 1 in 5, you could click dozens, even millions or trillions of times and never get it ... that's remotely unlikely, but the laws of probability say it can happen. But in fact the odds are a lot less than 1 in 5.

    I will no longer invest money in this game until I see some honest changes.
    The game is free to play ... tynon makes money off the suckers and the trust funders.

    Quote Originally Posted by cushseth View Post
    It is impossible to have truly random numbers.
    This is false. True randomness can be introduced into the computer via physical events, such as clock ticks or user input. Consider a pseudo-random number generator that runs through its cycle and stops when you click the screen; that produces truly random, unpredictable results ... not that it's relevant to the issue at hand.

    and which card you pick
    No, that has no consequence ... the choice was already made, and is presented wherever you click.

    Quote Originally Posted by SweetSam View Post
    It is my firm belief that the card games are predetermined and not a 1 in 5 chance to pick "the winner". The heroes in the tavern are prepicked for you much like the wheel on Evony, the prize is determined the instant you press play, not when you pick a card and not went the wheel "winds down".
    Of course. It baffles me that anyone doesn't know this or would think otherwise.
    Last edited by Morgan le Fay; 08-12-2013 at 09:46 AM.

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    yes it is a game of chance and an even bigger amount of shear dam luk to,... the other day i was just playing in the tavern trying to get my Smoulder and Adamanti cards,... well would you believe it,.... i had Smoulder, Adamanti, Rhize,and two the useless knight cards,.... so thought yes i'm gunna get one of them!..... Oh HOW WRONG I WAS!..... 1st choice 1 of the useless knight cards,....... so i paid 10 gems 2nd choice,.....would you believe it i got the other useless knight card,..... come on dev's tell me,.... What's the odds of that happening,....... and to answer the other question,..... NO i did not spend 50 gems to get one of the other cards,.... that would of given me a hero at a cost.

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    I'm pretty sure the game is rigged as well. The behavior is not consistent with a random shuffle of cards.

    Never click on the card you want, or it's immediate neighbors.
    If you do, the card you want will be swapped with the card you don't want.

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    It's like what SweetSam said and marcel tried to explain ... the cards are already pre-determined before you even pick one. It has nothing to do with probability. It has everything to do with what the devs have programmed into the game as far as when you get a card. It doesn't matter which one you pick. If it's not your turn to get a card, you're not going to get it unless you're willing to spend the gems to flip enough cards to get what you want when it shows up. When the game has determined that it's your time to get a card, then it will be there. Until then, keep saving up those spirit tokens because those are your guarantee of when you'll get the card you want.
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    I have seen the same thing. I have spent millions in credits refreshing. I decided to stay with way to pick, pick the exact spot. So I did that like 30 times and missed everyone. On the 31st try I decided to pick the right because "THEY ALWAYS WENT RIGHT" and just then when I picked to the right it was in the same exact spot. Yeah I say its rigged!

  6. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by Rednaz View Post
    It's not rigged, Heaven Tavern is literally a huge game of chance. Take 5 peices of paper and write 1 random word on one of them. Fold them up equally and the same put them in a cup and pull one out. Your chances of pulling the slip of paper you wrote on is 1 in 5 and they all look the same so you can't be sure if you will draw the one you expect. Purchasing VIP Status does not increase your chances of getting a better hero either.

    It's all luck, guess the question you should ask yourself is... "Do you feel lucky? ... Well?.... Do you?..... Punk"
    you serious ? NOT rigged lmfao

  7. #77
    The Tavern is not rigged, it is a weighted probability distribution. Consider the following weights:
    White - 20
    Blue- 5
    Purple- 2
    Gold- 1

    If five white cards show up, then they have equal probability of success: one in five. Same thing with five blue cards. If you have 4 white and one blue, then the blue would have 5/(20+20+20+20+5)= 5/85 chance of selection = 1/17, or one in seventeen chance of success. The tavern is not rigged. It does have weighted probabilities. Slot machines are the same way ...

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    Slot machines don't act the same way as the tavern so comparing the 2 does not mean it's not rigged. Is it pure dumb luck and chance, well yes it is. Even slot machines will payout after so much money has been feed to it, the tavern on the other hand is totally different story.


    Quote Originally Posted by rafmeister_5440998 View Post
    The Tavern is not rigged, it is a weighted probability distribution. Consider the following weights:
    White - 20
    Blue- 5
    Purple- 2
    Gold- 1

    If five white cards show up, then they have equal probability of success: one in five. Same thing with five blue cards. If you have 4 white and one blue, then the blue would have 5/(20+20+20+20+5)= 5/85 chance of selection = 1/17, or one in seventeen chance of success. The tavern is not rigged. It does have weighted probabilities. Slot machines are the same way ...

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    Now Im only gonna post on this once to make my feelings and points clear and leave it at that. To the forum mod who said the wheel isnt rigged I say your full of it. To many people have tested and proven the wheel on here is same as evony predetermined before clicking one of the 5 cards. If you are very lucky and have spent the correct amount of credits you can still get purple and gold heros. But, it should state that rather then try and tell people its random or chance like gambling, Im sorry if you give me 20% chance of winning the lottery and I buy 200 tickets Im gonna win a fair amount of times, its call the law of averages. Just click on the middle card everytime you refresh to a purple or gold hero and if its your time to get a hero then youll get it. Best bet in my opinion is to randomly click the tavern do a few spins maybe til you get 1 purple or gold hero in there fail or win, click out wait 5 mins and try again. If the odds are preset on some timers sooner or later youll have a chance to run into the right time more often this way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmeek31_8083917 View Post
    Now Im only gonna post on this once to make my feelings and points clear and leave it at that. To the forum mod who said the wheel isnt rigged I say your full of it. To many people have tested and proven the wheel on here is same as evony predetermined before clicking one of the 5 cards. If you are very lucky and have spent the correct amount of credits you can still get purple and gold heros. But, it should state that rather then try and tell people its random or chance like gambling, Im sorry if you give me 20% chance of winning the lottery and I buy 200 tickets Im gonna win a fair amount of times, its call the law of averages. Just click on the middle card everytime you refresh to a purple or gold hero and if its your time to get a hero then youll get it. Best bet in my opinion is to randomly click the tavern do a few spins maybe til you get 1 purple or gold hero in there fail or win, click out wait 5 mins and try again. If the odds are preset on some timers sooner or later youll have a chance to run into the right time more often this way.
    Whoever said it was a 20% chance.

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