You actually claim that the 1 in 40 chance I've seen of picking one of 5 cards is not rigged. You are a liar. How about the dozen times I've tried 2 picks on 3 exceptionals or the 5-6 times I've tried 3 picks on 2... NOT ONE OF THE GD THINGS HAS HIT. Going back to EQ where you get something when THEY steal your money.
The "chance" picks in this game are all predetermined before you even select them. so it does not matter which card you select... you will get whatever the program has pre-selected for you.
I want to explain something about all this talk of predetermined picks versus rigged.Originally Posted by jovialprince_2144131
Rigged would be going to the casino and at the roulette wheel the bets are made, the wheel spun and a device stopped the wheel on a number insured to make people lose or win.
Predetermined is not the same thing.
It would be going to a casino, and instead of a roulette wheel, they wrote down on 1000 pieces of paper the wheel results and stacked them up neatly. Then they allow bets, and instead of spinning a wheel, the just flip over the next piece of paper, and that number is the winning number.
Maybe not the best analogy, but it illustrates the point. While the results we get in game are a randomly( or best as you can get randomly from a computer with some weighted variables included that we have no precise knowledge of) PREDETERMINED set of results, that does not imply or mean they are setup to make us lose.
Those weighted variables make it harder to be successful in order to get us to spend more money and keep the game makers income going up. But its not rigged
Get ready for some math geekiness:
There is a HUGE misconception that because there are 5 cards, there is a 1 in 5 chance of getting the card you want. However, this is not the case. There are 4 tiers of heroes: gray, blue, purple, and gold. Each one has it's own chance of being drawn. For simplicity, we'll say gold is 1%, purple is 5%, blue is 10%, and gray is the default. Once you hit shuffle, the game calculates your odds of winning the gold, purple, and blue. No matter how many of those cards are in the pile, they have the same chance. So if you bring up 3 blue and 2 gray, your chance of winning the blue is still 10%, not 30%. So the game picks a number at random between 1 and 100 three times. 1 for each pick you can possible make (2 and 3 picks are for the VIPs). If you have a gold card, and the game rolled a 100, you'll win the gold card. If there are 2 purple cards and the game rolled a 98, you'll win one of the purples, and so on. If you don't get a "hit" on the roll, then whatever card you flip will be the gray.
So, in reference to mattp169's post above (is it rigged or predetermined), it is plainly obvious that it is predetermined. Here is the proof: During Ragnarok, try pulling a few YouTube videos at once during an intermission. Anything internet intensive that will bog down your connection will work. Now, watch your scores on the bottom. Before you go in to combat, you'll notice that either your kills or your losses tick up. This means the game calculates the outcome prior to the combat cutscene. There are other examples of this too. Tynon does all the math first, then plays a scene to correspond to it's answers.
So there you have it. It is not rigged, it is simply not the 20% chance it seems to be. To be clear, however, the game NEVER states that your chances of "winning" are 1 out of 5.
has anyone else noticed that purples/golds only move 1 space to either side or stay in the middle?
sorry if someone else has pointed this out
They likely have the purple/golds do that to encourage players to spin the wheel more and maybe even spend gems on credits to do it.
Unless you refresh after having picked a card then there is a chance that all the cards except the one you picked are in different positions.
You are all not getting it. The results you see on screen have nothing to do with anything. They are there for show. The results are mathematically calculated by a sub routine in the software. The graphical results you see on screen are just there for show and have their own sub routine to show which hero is where on the screen. And the only interaction between the 2 sub routines is for the 1st one to tell the second one which hero it picked.
HEY! its the creator of the tynon wiki ^_^It's not rigged, Heaven Tavern is literally a huge game of chance. Take 5 peices of paper and write 1 random word on one of them. Fold them up equally and the same put them in a cup and pull one out. Your chances of pulling the slip of paper you wrote on is 1 in 5 and they all look the same so you can't be sure if you will draw the one you expect. Purchasing VIP Status does not increase your chances of getting a better hero either.
It's all luck, guess the question you should ask yourself is... "Do you feel lucky? ... Well?.... Do you?..... Punk"
mattp is right on point. I thought I explained earlier but I guess not. Anyway...try this and you'll see what we're saying:
Refresh the tavern. Try and get one where most or all of the cards are gray. Remember what order they are in and click shuffle. Select the first card. If it is gray (and was before the shuffle), then all the cards will be in the same order. That's because the sub-routine doesn't have to redraw the cards because you didn't "win" the hidden roll. This is also why the purple card is one to the left or right. If you didn't "win" then you get the card in it's place and all the other cards are drawn in the order they were originally.
I completely understand what you are saying, and Im saying its totally bs, if you tried this in vegas yould be in jail for fraud. You cant tell people its a game of chance and they play by the rules-law of averages- and make it where the winner isnt decided by chance but by a sub-routine that decides before you even click if your gonna win or not.
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