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    Quote Originally Posted by IraTheSquire_1457591 View Post
    Huh, ok. I take it back then. Looks like the assumption got a confirmed status.

    Any other things that are also confirmed in the same way?
    I have made corrections based on what other people have posted and my own experience of doing at least two labs a day for the last 4 or 5 months. It is may not be verified bu Tynon, but it is as accurate as I can make it. If you see anthing that is incorrect, please post it and I will fix it.
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    Ok, right. I just want to know if there are other things that are verified by Tynon, that's all. Because I should know them before I start another set of tests.

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    There truly is no need for such tests Ira. The more you test, the more you'll realize this guide accurate on everything. I understand you are relatively new to this and that it can be hard to trust what others say without any proof or support, but sometimes you just need to trust what others say. The ones who contributed to this guide have a lot of experience and know what they're talking about. They have authority on the subject. There's a lot of knowledge to acquire in life overall, and if you put everything back into question, you'll be a slow learner. As an easy example, most people could not explain why we know (from simple observation) that the earth rotates around the sun, and no one has actually SEEN the earth rotate around the sun. Yet, everyone believes that the earth rotates around the sun. We trust the authorities in place on that subject, and you got to do the same thing with this guide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenWing View Post
    There truly is no need for such tests Ira. The more you test, the more you'll realize this guide accurate on everything. I understand you are relatively new to this and that it can be hard to trust what others say without any proof or support, but sometimes you just need to trust what others say. The ones who contributed to this guide have a lot of experience and know what they're talking about. They have authority on the subject. There's a lot of knowledge to acquire in life overall, and if you put everything back into question, you'll be a slow learner. As an easy example, most people could not explain why we know (from simple observation) that the earth rotates around the sun, and no one has actually SEEN the earth rotate around the sun. Yet, everyone believes that the earth rotates around the sun. We trust the authorities in place on that subject, and you got to do the same thing with this guide.
    First of all, the heliocentric model of the solar system (which is the example you've given here) is the conclusion after rigorous observations and tests by many people before it is accepted as "fact". The scientists who held authority on such matters are trust not because they are "authority", but because as scientists they are supposed to reach their conclusions via conducting rigorous experiments. The same "tests" is not really done here, as it is reliant on the "feeling" or "I think this and this" as opposed to "tested this. The probability is such and such higher/lower".

    (FYI: there's no absolute point in the universe, and so when scientists say "the earth rotates around the sun" the truth is that that model is just the simplest one to describe the motion of the sun and the earth. You can actually make the earth as the point of reference and say that the sun moves around the earth, it is just that describing the motion of the other planets becomes far more complicated. A scientific model is just a description used to predict what happens under identical circumstances)

    Secondly, while I trust people in good faith that does not mean that their conclusions are not affected by their biases and flaws in the human memory etc. We want this guide to be useful, right? How can it be useful if the information in it isn't as accurate as possible? I've seen guides for online browser-based MMO incorporating even more complex maths than the one that I just did (they included variance, which is far as statistics goes is quite insane). As someone who is actually doing a materials PhD right now (yeah, I really shouldn't be wasting my time and finish writing my thesis) it's something that I can't just let past. While I do believe what people say I prefer to have it backed up with concrete evidence as well. (And it's not like those tests are detrimental or anything. I'm just recording my encounters anyway. My tactics is still based on this guide)

    Thirdly, wouldn't it be great to 1) confirm what the people have been saying is right and 2) know exactly how much more/less it really is when they say "this and this is more/less likely"?

    Finally, it's not like people have done tests as this guide has hard numbers on the power of the bosses. It's just that when dealing with probability the tests becomes more complicated. And it's not like I'm not willing to do it (Yay! Science experiment!).
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    You don't seem to understand what I'm saying. Yes, it was proven that the earth rotates around the sun, but most people don't know the basic observations that prove it, they just believe what they're told. Most people aren't interested in knowing/understanding the proofs, they just trust the people who have done it. I'm not saying that there is no proof to it, I'm just saying that most people don't know the proofs. Ask your friends if the earth rotates around the sun. Then, ask them to explain why they know it. Some will understand that they have faith in this information, others will have knowledge about it. The ones who wrote this guide have knowledge; you, on the other hand, should have faith in it.

    Now, if you use it and find something that doesn't seem to fit what is told in this guide, then it will be worth testing. Until then, I don't see any reason for doing all those tests. No one needs stats to back up a model that works. It's too much work and it is exhaustive. Why do this statistical work, which no one needs, when you could progress in the heroic realm instead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenWing View Post
    You don't seem to understand what I'm saying. Yes, it was proven that the earth rotates around the sun, but most people don't know the basic observations that prove it, they just believe what they're told. Most people aren't interested in knowing/understanding the proofs, they just trust the people who have done it. I'm not saying that there is no proof to it, I'm just saying that most people don't know the proofs. Ask your friends if the earth rotates around the sun. Then, ask them to explain why they know it. Some will understand that they have faith in this information, others will have knowledge about it. The ones who wrote this guide have knowledge; you, on the other hand, should have faith in it.

    Now, if you use it and find something that doesn't seem to fit what is told in this guide, then it will be worth testing. Until then, I don't see any reason for doing all those tests. No one needs stats to back up a model that works. It's too much work and it is exhaustive. Why do this statistical work, which no one needs, when you could progress in the heroic realm instead?
    Because it takes only a couple minutes to finish the progress in the heroic realm and it takes a whole day before you can do it again? And the fact that it takes only extra minutes to just record down my encounters (hey, the guide recommends drawing a whole map as you go through the labyrinth. That takes even more time than just "this tile gets me one more move, change this number 4 to 5")? Why should I have faith in the guide, without any proof? Is this a religion now, where the older players are prophets of some kind? Why should I not get this knowledge as well so that I can, you know, actually contribute to the guide? All I know is that the evidence is missing, the hard numbers are missing, I'm just filling that gap. Your claim that "there are people who have been here longer than you, so you should just listen" is ridiculous and frankly, I find horrifying. What's the difference between that and a cult?

    Not to mention I like doing tests. It's fun by itself. And it's not that I don't believe what people say. I just want confirmation.
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    Do your tests then.

    EDIT: The progress in the heroic realm is never finished, unless you are Execdude.
    Last edited by ChickenWing; 02-18-2014 at 04:22 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenWing View Post
    Do your tests then.

    EDIT: The progress in the heroic realm is never finished, unless you are Execdude.
    By "finish" I mean do all of the ones you've managed to defeat before (using the execute button) while waiting for you to get strong enough to beat the next one. Cool downs can take a day or more.

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    i to was allready finished @ 50m

    just doing labyrinths now thats a thing that not gonna be done for a while unless u coined heavy or are reallly lucky with spirits specially after justice spirit

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    5 days in row , i have got around 12 - 15 scores of 700+ doing 4 labs a day on level 2 normal. for some great reason i am only getting chips and not spirits most annoying i am not even getting tokens

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